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Starting to wonder why this is not cQc Scouts United. None talking about Sniper Scout. Hey guess what 1.2 didn't do anything to my K/D ratio. It's still going up. I still am hard to be found do to all my profile dampening. only thing changed is I now have to actually try when i aim my rifle since leg/foot/arm shots no longer count as a hit. (no more killing turret hackers from there feet). From the post here the requirements should be a short range weapon with the scout suit because it seems you all think scout is only the ninja running shotgun or some other cQc combat weapon.

Scout: A soldier or other person sent out ahead of a main force so as to gather information about the enemy's position, strength, or movements. But for how most see it in this game its a ninja that runs ahead of the group to kill everything they see head on vs running ahead of the group to actually scout and maybe find a nice place to hide to jump out from behind after a friendly squad comes in to attack. You know you can have the highest K/D ration in every game but if your TEAM loses your still a loser

I play a sniper scout. I do not join squads becase for what I have been told enemy I see goes on EVERYONEs radar where as if i was in a squad what i see is only shown on squads radar. I'm a scout for the team not just a squad so if I see 6 enemeys moving in on an objective i am helping the team with enemy positions as I am also giving them sniper cover and support. I can see the ninja hiding in the corners of what seems to be empty objectives to allow ground to know he is there even if i cant shoot them. If I had a mic I could be alot more helpful but still what good is that when all the squads wont here me and I dont join a squad because I play for the team not the squad that and the fact voice glitches and lag in this game is terrible.

So I keep asking myself what are all these fast running ninjas doing i see just running everywhere. your not hidden in my scope and really easy targets for me as I sit behind a rock and enjoy my cigarette letting you run till you get farther away or in a position harder to figure out my position. All that running and gunning is called scouting?

Guys, guys, I find that a lonely, humble scout can turn the tide in Skirm easily. Dom. it's a bit harder, for the number of hostiles in one spot. In OMS, it's amazing, but there's no point. It's really hard to notice other scouts doing the same, but I'm positve it happens.
In skirm. I tip my hat to those scouts who go across the map with their one-equipment backpacks and hack that point. It's truly a small blessing.

I turn the tide in our favor and win. I can see this clearly. Sometimes when I go CQs, I am glad for the brave folks who hack objectives across the map it helps a ton!

What's our niche?

I've only seen you rock matches in a tank. scout? doubtful.

I got an idea for scouts. Hear me out on this one.

Add 2 equipment slots. Reduction to CPU and Pg on drop up links.

(I really dont want to get into the meat and potatoes of increase cpu, Pg sheild and armor and return their stamina and sprint speed, lower the other suits turning speed while increasing the scouts, oh an scout weapons like the knifes should not have much of an effect on our overall suit [ as in cpu pg], oh and while i am at it, scouts should get a free case off beer for putting up with this crap)

I should have bulleted that list so I could get better fan mail in game.


Side side note. make the Flaylocks a scout only weapon. Actually, make a weapon ONLY for this class. Make it kinda cool, kinda potent.


Or jsut give it up and free sniper rifles for EVERY ONE

@Chilled Pill - why increased damage??? That seems overkill.

If a spec ops suit comes out (at Light Lv5) then yes or for the assault suit.

Like some of the other stuff though.

"Right now slapping a damage mod on a high slot is completely stupid for a Min Scout and suicide for a Gallente Scout"

I use Minmatar scout mk.0 with 3 complex light weapon dmg and the gallente scout gk.0 with 1 complex light weapon dmg.

I am the glass cannon sniper or in your words the stupid suicidal glass cannon sniper.

While I understand where you are coming from it is a mountain built on so much wrong but its because CCP is failing at carving out strict boundaries for the classes in their attempt to allow you to use whatever modules you want.

I think they are better off dropping light and heavy and just making one "suit" you customize the way you want because they struggle mightily in foreseeing the natural exploits.

Are you running around in proto gear in pub matches?

Ran REs for the first time today. I'm getting a kill or two per match, but the trigger/arming delay is annoying.

Remote Explosive Inquiry:
1) How much faster do the F/45s arm compared to Standard REs?
2) Are the Advanced & Proto REs worth the SP investment?

Thanks,
Shotty

Ran REs for the first time today. I'm getting a kill or two per match, but the trigger/arming delay is annoying.

Remote Explosive Inquiry:
1) How much faster do the F/45s arm compared to Standard REs?
2) Are the Advanced & Proto REs worth the SP investment?

Thanks,
Shotty

I really wish they'd make the ADV Gallente suit have 1H/3L slots instead of it's 2/2 layout, which just makes the proto suit feel squishy by comparison....

yea. he isn't describing a scout suit! lol. I'd give my minjas pinky toes for some CPU/PG like that!

Confused on nova knives dmg
Scout mk.0 with 3 Complex Myofibril Stimulant can max 412.78 melee dmg
Scout mk.0 with 3 Complex Sidearm Damage Modifier can max 363.34 Ishukone Nova Knives dmg
so a melee hit with my sniper rifle or any weapon can do more dmg than than knives with sidearm dmg mod?
can you melee hit with nova knives? does melee dmg add to nova knives dmg?

so nova knives have a 1453.36 dmg potential per charged attack? WOW

Melee bonus for scout is just pointless then. I guess its a good thing I don't use the minmatar suit for the melee bonus. at least the gallente bonus does something to help.

Congrats on your 49 page thread, you have something cool here.
So I'm in a gal crisis, I don't know what to tank, what can I do with my suit since scanning is fudged. Any good combos for adv and bsc fittings. Maybe focus on hacking at the moment? Any good success stories I should take into consideration?

I realised the other day that it's not the weakness of the scout that gets to me alot of the time (even though it's annoying as hell), it's the faulty equipment.

remote explosives/proximity mines

nova knives

shotty

active/passive scanners

are all on the fritz don't care bout my KDR so I wouldn't mind dying so much if i could use my gear to relyably fight back and score some kills ya know?

thoughts?

you can get 32.63m range with 1 proto range mod with lvl 5 range and lvl 5 gallente scout.

30m base? WOW
that would allow you to get 298m with 4 complex range. gallente scout Snipers would be loving it except for those lvl 5 scouts with lvl 5 dampening because that will get you below the 31 precision without using any mods that the gallente scout can get max with 1 proto precision. all other classes will need to use no less than 2 dampening mods just to get below the 31 scan profile. don't see them giving up armor and or green/red pill for dampening.

dampening and precision works the problem is shared vision and line of sight makes it useless. tac-net/scanner changes will fix this.

nyra wants 30m base range for scout.
That is what would be possible with the 30m base.

base x basic skill x suit bonus x mod x mod x mod x mod =

I have tested in game at lvl 3 range and lvl 3 gallente scout with 4 advanced range
that is also the formula used in Dust 514 Fitting Tool Created by hydraSlav

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/08/community-spotlight-dust-fitting-tool/

I am at 56m with 4 advanced range. 99m is top with lvl5 range, lvl5 gallente scout, and 4 complex range

you can get 32.63m range with 1 proto range mod with lvl 5 range and lvl 5 gallente scout.

30m base? WOW
that would allow you to get 298m with 4 complex range. gallente scout Snipers would be loving it except for those lvl 5 scouts with lvl 5 dampening because that will get you below the 31 precision without using any mods that the gallente scout can get max with 1 proto precision. all other classes will need to use no less than 2 dampening mods just to get below the 31 scan profile. don't see them giving up armor and or green/red pill for dampening.

dampening and precision works the problem is shared vision and line of sight makes it useless. tac-net/scanner changes will fix this.

so your telling me if i have higher precision i can if some one is behind a wall now if so hell yeah im specing into range cause that would go to priority one

what is your precision. a fatty with lvl 3 profile dampening and 2 basic profile dampeners will be invisible to you if you have not leveled up your precision.

what is your precision. a fatty with lvl 3 profile dampening and 2 basic profile dampeners will be invisible to you if you have not leveled up your precision.

ALL of them

are they showing on your radar outside of the 20m circle?
when you have line of sight on something it will show on the radar for a few seconds after they are out of line of sight then fade out if it is out of your scan or precision range.

I know it works well out in the hills when i go on sniper hunts.

radar circles
20m, 50m, 100m

Shotty, Yes I am in fact a Sniper Scout.

I normally do not post on here. This is due to the fact that I have not experienced the decline in performance on the battlefield most of you have. All of that changed in the last two day after running my first PC battles.

I only had 2 kills in 4 PC battles. My observations are as follows:

It's not hat we are not fast enough. The problem is the other suits are too fast. It is extremely hard to line up a shot from a sniper rifle and hit your target. Not to mention you have to hit your target at least three times in order to get a kill. I consider myself to be pretty good shot, but my performance was ridiculous.

We all know our suit needs help. Unfortunately, for us to be better at what we do, other suits need to be taken down a notch. I am of the opinion that this will not happen. There are too many non-scouts that would raise absolute hell if their suits get an adjustment in order to help us out.

I will always be a Scout. Unfortunately, I will probably not get to experience PC like I do in the pubs. So, they only thing I can do for my corp is win ISK in the pubs and donate back to my corp for use in PC. This is not what I want my role to be. I do not have to have 15 Kills per match to be an effective team member. However, a .33 KDR does no one any good and is useless.

So, I will sit and wait for things to change. Hopefully for the good and maybe someone will let me play in PC to gain more experience no matter how worthless I will be to their team.

Keep your head down,
Kodho

well i would have to agree with CPM Iron Wolf Saber to a point. A scout is supposed to ummmmm stay hidden. I accept the fact if i'm seen i will die most of the time. problem I see with a lot of scouts is they think they are supposed to matrix dodge bullets, run faster than LAVs, and stand off with the enemy head on. In my 2 days of cQc testing out complex range mods. I could see and run around my enemy avoiding them very well because i knew where they were from over 50m away while being invisible to all but the 1 proto scanner and the possible logi that can get their precision down to 15. Did that stop me from getting killed A LOT no but I got 2 good days of learning to use my passive scan to avoid the enemy. The Tac-net and shared vision change was a nice boost to the Scouts that are Scouts and not Assault mercs in Scout suits. The aim assist is a = boost to everyone including scouts. we died easier to every weapon before aim assist now is no different just faster but so does your target die faster because of the aim assist. see how that works.

I read about all the scouts using only mods to boost dmg, stamina, and sprint speed then they come here and cry because everyone can see them. I think wow they can use mods to be fast and run for a long time doing lots of dmg but do not want to use mods that would enhance the #1 asset a scout is known for.

My gallente gk.0
1 advanced precision
3 complex range
1 complex dampener
charge sniper
Ish SMG
AV grenade
compact nano

I boosted what CCP gave as a bonus. It's kinda like they wanted us to be hard to detect with higher scan range(gallente scout) in the first place. the scout bonus is garbage if you don't use mods to improve them farther.

minmatar scout bonus is a joke in my opinion. why would i want to melee if i can't see(scan range) hide(dampeners/cloak) to get to them in melee range. but makes for an OK dmg sniper(hint make the dmg buff for all weapons or at least sidearms) or more cpu/pg so I don't have to use one of the 2 lows for cpu booster. caldari assault is a better scout suit than the minmatar scout.

Now I do agree we need a EHP buff UNTIL we get cloaking. because as his comment we are about stealth and not being detected but if we can't cloak 1/2 of our stealth is missing. we need something now to compensate for the lack of stealth and being seen and aim assisted killed.

minmatar scout bonus is a joke in my opinion. why would i want to melee if i can't see(scan range) hide(dampeners/cloak) to get to them in melee range. but makes for an OK dmg sniper(hint make the dmg buff for all weapons or at least sidearms) or more cpu/pg so I don't have to use one of the 2 lows for cpu booster. caldari assault is a better scout suit than the minmatar scout.

So true - my plight.

passive scan has nice range behind too but no matter everyone can be sneaked up on when distracted or because of dampeners.

and yes most mediums and heavies light up my radar like a christmas tree at close to 60m range and I only have gallente scout lvl3 and so does quite a few scouts not using dampeners and not at lvl 5 scout suit.

Not impossible because I'm doing it. Not on advanced suit with a proto gallente scout. Neo suits at lvl 3

You can think its broke all you want. This was not based off numbers it from 2 days testing with 50 neo suits.

If I wanted armor or shield I would be in an assault suit

yes, i have range lvl 5 and use 3 complex range. lvl 3 precision using 1 advanced precision enhancer and it covers my back side very well too.

I see scouts but not as much and they are not as brightly lit most of the time. quessing the closer to beating my precision they don't show as bright. if your hunting other scouts your best bet is logi suit or duvolle focused scanner.

This is not how it is listed anywhere. If you are correct then CCP need to state this and issue a respec of those two skills but if you are wrong you are spreading misinformation.

Another reason why all the numbers of everything should be displayed CORRECTLY on the fitting screen.

Not quite clear on what you're asking, but I'll give it a shot.

Your Hunter is running two complex precision enhancers:
45.00 dB - Base Precision
40.50 dB - Precision Enhancement 5 (-10%)
32.40 dB - Complex Enhancer (-20%)
25.92 dB - Complex Enhancer (-20%)
--- if stacking penalty applies ---
26.89 dB - Complex Enhancer (-17%)

Your Prey is a maxed-out stealth Scout:
45.00 dB - Base Profile
33.75 dB - Scout Level 5 (-25%)
30.38 dB - Profile Dampening Level 5 (-10%)
25.82 dB - Basic Profile Dampener (-15%)

---

So this Prey will go undetected, provided he's running a Basic Profile Dampener.
But the above Hunter build will pickup a Scout with Level(3) Dampening and one Basic Dampener.

Hope this answers your question. o7

unless you have a mini scout using 3 complex precision ;)

I put away my sniper rifle since 4.1 and been doing a lot of testing with range/precision while trying out different weapons. After yesterday mass deaths I think I'm done testing for a little while.

Why's that? Precision helps with pinpointing the red dots right? At this point, I'm just looking for red dots and how many, and how close together they are. Not seeing much how that would help?

Might I ask what most have the aim sensitivity on? sniping i have to use 0/0. yes it's slow but 400m you don't need speed you need precision. When i am jumped and I pull my smg 0/0 is not slow enough and i end up shooting everything but what im trying to hit. Finding myself doing a lot more cQc testing out 4 proto range mods only to fail because aim sensitivity is to high I can literally empty 2 clips and not hit once.

Should I go KB/M? This is the first FPS I have played with a gamepad

You guys are peaking my interest in nova knives a bit here....

A horde of rabid scouts attacking a flank of unsuspecting medium frames.... Awesome. What's the last thing they think before they get torn to ribbons?

"Where did this hurricane of razor blades come from?"

You may want to check in with the Minmatar Scouts before suggesting changes to their NK bonuses. Quite a few of them skilled into the suit for this exact reason.

As for Gallente bonuses, Scan Range is great, but I personally don't find Scan Precision to be particularly helpful.

Double Post:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1729822#post1729822

No, Scout Registry, The Gallente suit need a bonus to precision, it is too low right now ad has no high slots to stack the mods. . . unless the scout hugs include bringing the Scout back to its Chromosome level with 6 slots at proto.

How does the rules around the Bastards work?

Will there be a restriction on playing them, or are we free to do with them as we please?

Oh great, that is exactly what I was going to suggest!

Now the only real concern is the NPE. New players looking to play scout won't be able to use the defining feature. With only 15% fitting reduction, and given these fitting costs and standard scout fitting capabilities, it's just not going to happen. Maybe at level 3 it'll be better, haven't looked much into it, but initial reaction is that the cloak won't viably fit on any scout until you get the full 75% fitting reduction.

I am sorry. I don't see any hard numbers save that you mentioned 30s is supposedly a long time in dust and something about a fabled 800EHP tank to serve as a general example of your numberless scenario.

Have you seen what you can get with a brick tanked Ishukone cloaked gallente scout?
If your worried about a logi using cloak then you have not.

841 eHP gallente scout with 19 profile when not cloaked and your going to see me? guess your going to be a 4x precision caldari scout. The one being seen is the logi using a cloak.

This is with a Ishukone Cloak Field Duvolle Assault Rifle at 841 eHP

with precision and 768 eHP
gk.0
ishukone cloak
duvolle assault rifle
1x complex shield
1x complex precision
3x complex armor plates
1x enhanced profile
remote explosive
smg

768 eHP
19 profile uncloaked
33 precision
37m range

All suits are above 200 eHP

I was expecting cloak to cause profle to go up not down to balance it out with scanners. I actually thought at first it was and started fitting to account for +25% dampening instead of -25% dampening

I'm still going to plan my fits for 25% profile dampening reduction to effectiveness and 25% profile dampening reduction just because the way CCP words things some times.

Gal logi has active scanner bonus.
Does that bonus include vehicle active scanner?
I know 1.8 not here so this will be a question for the devs.

Gallente/Caldari Scout in a tank with maxed range/precision.
Does the suit range/precision effect vehicles?
Cal Scout with 17 precision and 75m range would make for a really nice blaster tank suit.

I don't know how vehicles work I don't ever use them but just wondering will this work?

Any chance TTK adjustments might only apply to Fine Rifles?

So scouts that use 1 of those 4 rifles and is not a fatty scout like you will be even worse off. lol

Why are you looking at it from killing scouts point of view even though your Scout suit is getting a built in rep, mine has the ability to add more shield and/or armour with the added slot plus increased CPU/PG.

Most of the Assaults are rumored to be getting additional tank, sentinels are getting tank. Then when you are not in the optimal of the rifle you will be doing even less damage.

At the moment I run a CR in a basic suit with no damage mod and an advanced suit with a CR and an enhanced dmg mod and I can tell the difference. When you add in the fact that a little lag or whatever happens when you are running sluggishly and even easy kills can become more difficult because the opponent seems to have on a hardener... You go ahead and drop 20 %

If 15% makes a difference and everyone extols the benefit of getting proficiency why wouldnt a 20% drop make a difference?

Isnt this what we dont want CCP doing - changing multiple variables to solve a problem that may need slight adjustment?

AE. is just a corp full of scrubs that armor tank scouts. get gud scrubs. I got a 0.9 kdr with my tac-AR EWAR scout. what can you guys do? Nothing, all you do is whine about how you can competently play PC

I wonder if im older??

35.... how did it come to this LOL

You will all get older... I just got there first cause IM A FASTER SCOUT THEN YOU... haha

Oh im sorry. Happy birthday big boy!

As a knifer, I would love it. But it is actually one of the few areas of this game that currently make any sort of sense. There is no knife on this planet that would allow me to go up to a Sherman tank and do some damage. I just wish the rest of this game could come up to the level of common sense as that. Esp regarding the 3rd person perspective on vehicles.

I stay as far away for my squadmates as possible. Though I do this regardless of what suit I use and who I play with. Because the whole match you're really just competing with each other for kills and WPs.
In my book, teamwork is each player taking an objective and holding it by themselves. It's been how I played since closed beta. lol.

If only we had a trash can in our cell until they give us player market to sell it on.

95mph down the hills on I-80 in California in a 379 Pete at 79,000 lbs

Interesting ..
Any specific observations?
Will any LOS do, or did you have to Aim-Down-Sights at a target to paint him for squadmates?

Do a good job for me. My Dark Soul will be somewhere else starting tomorrow.

uncloaked 18dB profile
cloaked 16db profile

logi with 3 precision 24dB
caldari scout with 2 precision 20dB
proto focused scan 20dB
caldari scout with 3 precision 18dB <-------
caldari scout with 4 precision 17dB <-------
gal proto focused scan 15dB <---------------

anything that can see you will be at a shield disadvantage for your combat rifle to tear apart aside from the gal scout with focused scanner.

uncloaked 18dB profile
cloaked 16db profile

logi with 3 precision 24dB
caldari scout with 2 precision 20dB
proto focused scan 20dB
caldari scout with 3 precision 18dB <-------
caldari scout with 4 precision 17dB <-------
gal proto focused scan 15dB <---------------

anything that can see you will be at a shield disadvantage for your combat rifle to tear apart aside from the gal scout with focused scanner.

I swear, sometimes I think I need a Phd in CCPology just to figure out how to play this game and fit my character.

How will this affect scanning on the Cal Scout?

We need to number crunch again

Ever think we'll see a vehicle cloak with the same idea?
Ludicrously high PG and CPU requirements but one vehicle get's a big reduction.

There are actually a lot of problems with passive scanning. some terrain still blocks it. Active scanners can scan through "static mesh" parts of the terrain and surface installations, but passive scanning can only go through surface installations. It means that people can hide from your omniscient passive scanns behind dips and hills on certain maps when you do not have the high-ground.

While on the topic of knife fights Llast, is it considered bad form to watch a knife fight through a sniper scope and shoot the red if he wins after the fight?

I don't ever carry a knife so if you expect a knife fight when you see me it's your own fault if I shoot you. I lvled up NK to 3 only for the scout event and even then only used it till i used up the 20 i bought to try them out.

I just want to fix the core of the problem. SP restrictions will fix this,

Test yourself. Run a precision/range suit for week straight then remove the precision and range. you will realize just how dependent you become on using it. then after a week of not using precision/range go back to it and it will seem godly for a little while till you get lazy again.

With the small player base we have to start somewhere and work the system up to being more complex when the player base is greater. How do you get the the noobs to stay if they are protostomped into quiting? How to you get the noobs to stay if high SP players are still stomping them in STD fits? They are not staying with High SP protostomping now.

But warframe is PVE.

I managed to get banned by posting a thread ranting about the 'red wedding' and calling everyone at CCP ****s, uncensored.

Never trust any council / government for that matter that thinks it has to keep secrets and have secret meeting and then say they represent the community or people.

So from what I'm initially reading...

Gal Scout isn't as horribly ****** as people initially thought.

Cal Scout is still operating in a similar manner.

Am Scout is still really...not...good...

Minmatar Scout still needs love.

That sound about accurate?

I don't get the effective range numbers in the spreadsheet.

Anyone mind explaining those?

Weapons have 3 ranges, Optimal, Effective and Maximum.
For example the Shotgun has an Optimal range of 4.8m, an effective range of 20m and a maximum range of 25m

Most of the time fighting with the shotgun you get the first shot within Optimal but are finishing them off within effective range.

Effective range is where you're doing less damage than optimal but still doing more than 1 HP per shot

so you propose to buff cal shared vision range back to pre alpha and remove gal 1% range bonus, lol
you have a Cal (squad) bonus vs a Gal (solo) bonus
its amazing how we backtrack over and over forgetting why so many wanted the cal range bonus removed or nerfed in the first place. (SHARED VISION)
I guess it don't matter everything you keep proposing only keeps my 2 proto scouts on the top of the food chain.
me or my squad will either see you coming in my Cal
or you wont see me in my Gal.

Thoughts?

Welcome to the real world.

Gal should not be getting range bonuses. It steps on the toes of the Cal frame. IT allows the Gal to become the hunter. Throw on two precision mods and the cal can't dampen past that. While the Gal can dampen right through and hunt the hunter. Which should never happen.

dont leave much choice. lol

What role do you play one eye? You can always see what they deem more "useful" by what role they utilize. What would you rather, able to hide from everyone or able to see everyone but those who hide?

You can't do anything if you can't stay hidden, its why people are upset about the current meta of high precision cal scouts. Thats why staying hidden its more powerful. Its the ultimate counter. Its why silencers in most FPS games are so useful, it keeps you off the radar.

I made my statement based on the consensus of "nerf cal scout precision". We ALL think that staying hidden should be the final counter (more powerful). Anyone here think otherwise?

agree with "if shared scanning weren't a thing"
but remember your also not willing to make a significan enough sacrifice to stay off the tac-net. You choose not to use 3x cDampeners and a cCloak. Even if its timed hiding you are able to do so providing you are willing to make the sacrifice.
What is the dmg potential of NK's on a sidearm dmg modded minja? who else is able to = that dmg with NK's providing they sacrifice fitting?
minmatar is the jack of all trades master of none other than the NK's. the most innate bonuses of any scout suit - PG and shield. But hey you got your NK bonus that can't be beat vs having something more universal.

you see the problem is you think you only have NK's as a weapon. Nobody forcing you to try to kill everything with your NK's. The combat rifle is still very good as is the plasma rifle. my gal scout uses all weapons with no bonuses to dmg. I have same number of slots.
gal
2 dampeners = to min with 3 dampeners
1 range
1 reactive plate = almost equal to shield enhancer
1 shield enhancer
1 precision

minja
3 dampeners
2 shield enhancers
1 precision

virtually the same except minmatar
faster
shield tanked/faster recovery
hacks faster
more stamina/regen
more melee dmg = worthless
alot more NK damage = big waste
but can't see as far
here is the big kicker > plenty of PG because eWAR uses no PG

Again nobody forcing you to use NK's.
Move codebreakers to highs im in favor of as that is a minmatar scout BONUS not an innate bonus. as minmatar have so many innate bonuses and everyone thinks they have to have all of them maxamized at the same time while still being hidden from tac-net.

so don't try to be a gal and live with being on the tac-net. I don't try to be minmatar and boost speed, hacking, stamina, NK's. but I do try to be a scout and boost precision, range, and dampening the same as I would if i were a Amarr scout. I would like it if Amarr got range bonus from gal. Then I could have all 4 roles covered. precision (cal) dampening (gal) range (amarr) and jack of all / hacker (min).

yes the shared vision needs to go. we agree on that.
a cal has to sacrifice 3 high (precision) to detect a minja using 3 low (dampeners) sounds fair.
you then add that the cal is in a squad and that makes it not fair. if your solo it was never fair to begin with. yes without shared vision you would have a chance but you still have a better chance than a solo cal scout as they have less options to hide than you.
squad with a cal scout to run with you they are your short range eyes as you hack under cloak. add a gal scout to your squad for long range passive and now all the bases are covered. you are the speed hacking ninja with cal precision and gal range. so you know when they are coming, when to attack, and when to run. that is the best option i can see as I don't see shared passive going anywhere soon and as far as balance IMO 1v1 the min is in a good place and in a small squad with a cal and gal would be pretty deadly as well. most of the time in pubs if i see a cal scout alone he has a gal or min scout running with them. min has more chance solo than a cal scout.

I'm with Shotty
What suit is going to fit them that did not already have the fitting space?

and still i have to leave my 2nd equipment slot empty because i dont have the CPU that minmatar has. but if someone other than a min has to sacrifice to fit its ok right?

Maybe min should ask to replace the NK bonus with ______________.

@Adipem, Ghost
Thanks for the tips and opinions on my proto gal
I know and agree with what both of you advise to make better, cheaper and less CPU intensive
I fit to be a one man team the best I can using all my CPU/PG possible and using the 2nd equipment slot REALLY REALLY gets me killed a lot and is the only reason I don't use it. I hate the radial menus so bad.
If I could just replace the grenade button with my cloak I would be good as I don't use them in a rush like I do the cloak.
That and I don't ever use the proto suit becasue I don't run PC it is just a maxed out version of my dragonfly

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/983/4901

Only there is no 'encouraging' efficacy for minmatar? Funny how the least used (amarr) scout is asked to have a efficacy bonus but the ones making the proposals have none for there minmitar scout.
No forced NK dmg mods to get the bonus
NO forced Codebreakers to get there 2 hacking bonuses.