DUST Search - Assisting New Players

Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:

How about this?

TL;DR: allow more experienced players to enter Instant Battle Academy again, this time as commanders to help and guide new players. No adv & proto gear allowed Smile

Players out of Academy, after meeting certain level of SP/WP will see Instant Battle Academy again in pub battles tab, along regular battles. Additional requirement will be mic present with PPT off. They will be able to join Academy battles in "commander mode".
This will give them ability to issue orders via commander order wheel without range limitation. Additionally commander will be able to instruct her team via mic (thous mic requirement). The commander's mic could not be muted. Any abuse of power, verbal insults by a commander should be made possible to be reported by subordinates after battle. Resulting in some penalties for a commander.

Incentive for a commander:
She will receive, besides her own earned numbers, a SP/WP/ISK payout equal to a remainder of combined numbers for a given stat from all team members above certain level for a given stat.

Example:
For simplicity let's assume every team member (commander included) earned equal SP/WP/ISK from the battle: 2000 SP, 300 WP, 100k ISK for each player.

So combined numbers are theese:
16 x 2000 SP = 32k SP
16 x 300 WP = 4800 WP
16 x 100k ISK = 1,6 mil ISK

Let's assume the stats levels for commander payout are as follows:
20k SP
4000 WP
1 mill ISK

All players will receive their 2000 SP, 300 WP, 100k ISK and the commander will additionally receive:
32k SP - 20k SP = 12k SP
4800 WP - 4000 WP = 800 WP
1,6 mil ISK = 1 mill ISK = 600k ISK
Note: any negative numbers for respective payouts would be treated as zero gain

Some subjective vetting/evaluation system by subordinates could be added after battle (a simple screen asking for a score in a range [-5, 5] to give to commander, averaged at the end by a number of teammates minus commander) to influence the stats levels for commander payout (positive evaluation lowers the payout level, negative evaluation rises the payout level, 0 keeps basic level). So commander's performance would factor in the final payout. It will give even more incentive for a commander to actively angage players in the battle and actually help her subordinates to enhance their performance. Commander score could be recorder as another character stat.

This would ease new players introduction into the game by real human assistance augmented by built-in game mechanics and would allow training of future leaders Cool

For Academy only players additional game mode could be introduced: Instant Battle Academy COMM along regular Instant Battle Academy to allow them choice between command and command-less mode.

Maybe some special dropsuit skill would be required for would be commanders as well?
One proposition (not mine) here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=964470#post964470

Thanx for reading so far Smile

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Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 846	Posted - 2013.06.27 09:09:00 - [1] - Quote Obviously CCP is always looking for new ways to ease the barrier of entry for new players, and as we all know, its a very high barrier for Dust. There are a number of things I think would greatly assist new players and make their early days in Dust a little more enjoyable. Increase WP Cap in the Academy Forcing players to be in the Academy initially is a good idea, however they graduate way too early. At the 10k War Point mark, allow players to keep playing in the Academy but also open up regular game modes to them. After a certain WP level (30k maybe?) remove that option to join Academy battles. Early SP Multiplier The first 2-3 million SP is REALLY grindy, and players feel like things are taking very long to get into better gear, especially when facing full proto characters in random battles. I suggest for the first 2-3 million skill points a character earns, they get a double or triple SP bonus. This allows new characters to quickly get into better gear and helps to negate that early SP difference and make things a little less frustrating. One-Time Respec After spending that first 2-3 million SP, new players will have obviously made mistakes since they obviously are not going to know any better. This also allows new players to try a wide range of roles early on without "wasting" SP for their ultimate choice of build. A one time respec allows new players to correct the inevitable mistakes in their early days of Dust and fully specialize into the role they've chosen at that point. This is a very serious issue that really will make or break the game. Being able to more readily welcome new players to the game is what will allow the game to grow and thrive in the long run. I think it is an issue CCP needs to take a closer look at and address in the near future. What do you guys think? Any additional thoughts or suggestions?
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 589	Posted - 2013.06.27 09:12:00 - [2] - Quote PvE Enough said.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 846	Posted - 2013.06.27 09:52:00 - [3] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: PvE Enough said. Well yes, but I was more going for things that can be implemented immediately with little additional work on the developer side.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 221	Posted - 2013.06.27 10:18:00 - [4] - Quote How about this? TL;DR: allow more experienced players to enter Instant Battle Academy again, this time as commanders to help and guide new players. No adv & proto gear allowed Players out of Academy, after meeting certain level of SP/WP will see Instant Battle Academy again in pub battles tab, along regular battles. Additional requirement will be mic present with PPT off. They will be able to join Academy battles in "commander mode". This will give them ability to issue orders via commander order wheel without range limitation. Additionally commander will be able to instruct her team via mic (thous mic requirement). The commander's mic could not be muted. Any abuse of power, verbal insults by a commander should be made possible to be reported by subordinates after battle. Resulting in some penalties for a commander. Incentive for a commander: She will receive, besides her own earned numbers, a SP/WP/ISK payout equal to a remainder of combined numbers for a given stat from all team members above certain level for a given stat. Example: For simplicity let's assume every team member (commander included) earned equal SP/WP/ISK from the battle: 2000 SP, 300 WP, 100k ISK for each player. So combined numbers are theese: 16 x 2000 SP = 32k SP 16 x 300 WP = 4800 WP 16 x 100k ISK = 1,6 mil ISK Let's assume the stats levels for commander payout are as follows: 20k SP 4000 WP 1 mill ISK All players will receive their 2000 SP, 300 WP, 100k ISK and the commander will additionally receive: 32k SP - 20k SP = 12k SP 4800 WP - 4000 WP = 800 WP 1,6 mil ISK = 1 mill ISK = 600k ISK Note: any negative numbers for respective payouts would be treated as zero gain Some subjective vetting/evaluation system by subordinates could be added after battle (a simple screen asking for a score in a range [-5, 5] to give to commander, averaged at the end by a number of teammates minus commander) to influence the stats levels for commander payout (positive evaluation lowers the payout level, negative evaluation rises the payout level, 0 keeps basic level). So commander's performance would factor in the final payout. It will give even more incentive for a commander to actively angage players in the battle and actually help her subordinates to enhance their performance. Commander score could be recorder as another character stat. This would ease new players introduction into the game by real human assistance augmented by built-in game mechanics and would allow training of future leaders For Academy only players additional game mode could be introduced: Instant Battle Academy COMM along regular Instant Battle Academy to allow them choice between command and command-less mode. Maybe some special dropsuit skill would be required for would be commanders as well? One proposition (not mine) here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=964470#post964470 Thanx for reading so far
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3	Posted - 2013.06.27 10:41:00 - [5] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: How about this? TL;DR: allow more experienced players to enter Instant Battle Academy again, this time as commanders to help and guide new players. No adv & proto gear allowed Players out of Academy, after meeting certain level of SP/WP will see Instant Battle Academy again in pub battles tab, along regular battles. Additional requirement will be mic present with PPT off. They will be able to join Academy battles in "commander mode". This will give them ability to issue orders via commander order wheel without range limitation. Additionally commander will be able to instruct her team via mic (thous mic requirement). The commander's mic could not be muted. Any abuse of power, verbal insults by a commander should be made possible to be reported by subordinates after battle. Resulting in some penalties for a commander. Incentive for a commander: She will receive, besides her own earned numbers, a SP/WP/ISK payout equal to a remainder of combined numbers for a given stat from all team members above certain level for a given stat. Example: For simplicity let's assume every team member (commander included) earned equal SP/WP/ISK from the battle: 2000 SP, 300 WP, 100k ISK for each player. So combined numbers are theese: 16 x 2000 SP = 32k SP 16 x 300 WP = 4800 WP 16 x 100k ISK = 1,6 mil ISK Let's assume the stats levels for commander payout are as follows: 20k SP 4000 WP 1 mill ISK All players will receive their 2000 SP, 300 WP, 100k ISK and the commander will additionally receive: 32k SP - 20k SP = 12k SP 4800 WP - 4000 WP = 800 WP 1,6 mil ISK = 1 mill ISK = 600k ISK Note: any negative numbers for respective payouts would be treated as zero gain Some subjective vetting/evaluation system by subordinates could be added after battle (a simple screen asking for a score in a range [-5, 5] to give to commander, averaged at the end by a number of teammates minus commander) to influence the stats levels for commander payout (positive evaluation lowers the payout level, negative evaluation rises the payout level, 0 keeps basic level). So commander's performance would factor in the final payout. It will give even more incentive for a commander to actively angage players in the battle and actually help her subordinates to enhance their performance. Commander score could be recorder as another character stat. This would ease new players introduction into the game by real human assistance augmented by built-in game mechanics and would allow training of future leaders For Academy only players additional game mode could be introduced: Instant Battle Academy COMM along regular Instant Battle Academy to allow them choice between command and command-less mode. Maybe some special dropsuit skill would be required for would be commanders as well? One proposition (not mine) here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=964470#post964470 Thanx for reading so far that still wont help ive made a new character and got out of the academy in 4 to 5 matches there needs to be a npc training ground instead
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 589	Posted - 2013.06.27 11:00:00 - [6] - Quote Pve = NPC Training Ground
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 221	Posted - 2013.06.27 11:05:00 - [7] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: (...)that still wont help ive made a new character and got out of the academy in 4 to 5 matches there needs to be a npc training ground instead I get your point. But consider this: It is your character who is new You, as a person are not a new player and have the knowledge of all the tips and tricks of how to eran SP/WP in battles quickly Don't get me wrong, but i think your assessment is slightly distorted by your personal experience. You can't undo it (without some serious neural remap) To really asses how fast new players advance throug Academy we need a really new player at personal experience level. How about asking them? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=973590#post973590
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 479	Posted - 2013.06.27 11:09:00 - [8] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: snip I have prpoposed a similar solution to this and would like to put it up for discussion here aswell. Also definitely check out this thread for NPE discussions. The Stuffz for Trainers Programme: Any character that has left the Academy can enlist as a trainer. Beeing a trainer means that you get access to dedicated trainer gear wich has its own unique color pallete and is of around STD quality. You can join into academy battles again as long as you use trainer gear exclusively, with a few special rules: When a trainer queues into a match the game will automatically assign new players into his automatically created squad. In case he already has a squad the game will attempt to fill it with more new players in regular intervals. He may not invite randoms on his own, while new players are free to join him. The trainer may invite every academy player he was been playing with in the last 30 days and play with him again. New players that have been playing with the trainer within the last 30 days are considered to be his "trainees" Trainers do not get ISK or SP based on their own actions but based on the combined efforts of his trainee mates. His k/d will not be recorded as a trainer, his WP not be tracked. That way he has no reason to slap around the other newberries. We will probably have to limit the number of trainers in any match to two or three per side. The purpose is to create an environment where actual players can do the actual teaching within real gameplay. New players are introduced to the social aspects of New Eden from the very beginning and can learn from the experience of motivated players aswell as find friends without needing to read up what a corporation is for. Now we need something to motivate those players to go into rather easy matches, explaining the same stuff over and over again. The game needs to track the progress of every single trainee (every player that has been in a trainer's squad at least once in the last 30 days and is still in the academy): How often/long are they in squad with the trainer? (this will act as a multiplier. The more time you spend with the same newberry, the better.) How much do they play? How much WP, SP, ISK do they earn? Did they join a corp by now? Are they squadding up Properly? Based on those metrics we reward the trainers with "TC" (Trainer Credits) which will be used in a seperate store section to either buy variants of normal gear or even AUR currency and/or Items. Dedicated trainers will increase player retention and NPE by a huge margin, thus effectively making money for CCP. It's only fair they get a share for their efforts. What has to be balanced of course is the timeframe in wich a player should be considered a trainee and how the payout metrics are weighed. A trainer shouldn't have to try and hook up with his minions as often as to force both out of a reasonable and organic playing schedule but he should be incentiviced to keep in touch with his trainees and squad up whenever it's appropriate for both. This system will put the People back into the NPE and provide worthwhile rewards aswell as fun for both sides if done properly. It gives corparations a chance to actively recruit new players and get rewarded while they're doing it. It also feels much more compatible with the new eden philosophy ("Trust no one!" ) than scripted tutorial sections (although they are not mutually exclusive, of course).


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