Yes, and UNTIL everything has been released, there should be no more respecs

We'll be getting more respec's, it's inevitable.

Yes, and UNTIL everything has been released, there should be no more respecs

I am patently anti respec for whatever reasons so i would be absolutely fine if this never sees the light but this proposal is my take on finding a viable middleground in this debate based on the real issue highlighted in this OP.

The problem is there is no "everything" in terms of content in an evolving game and the definition of "core" is equally vague. More content will be added throughout the game's lifespan. We will get new suits, vehicles and weapons, each with their own skillsets not just in the next 6-12 months but in five years aswell (for as long as dust exists, really) so "everything" will mean something different every 6 months and some of these additions will become such a fundamental part of the battlefield once they arrive so we would consider them "core" today if only we knew about them already.

The only possible justification for limited respecs after adding new content that i find actually usefull is "respec for racial symmetry" i.e the notion that any type of gear or niche should be represented in all four races and people should not be penalized for preferring a racial variant that is not yet available. For example, heavy users can opt in to relocate their heavy suit skills to another racial equivalent once it's released.

This should not apply to the release of completely new roles as all players can choose to specialize into that role at the same time, even if it's not their preferred racial variant. It does however apply to any role that gets a racial variant added so once you specced into amarr commando just as everyone else who wanted to play a commando you can have your amarr commando skills changed to your preferred racial variant once. This means that no one is excluded from playing that role from the second it's released and everyone can switch their SP into the preferred race after release so that in effect no one is really penalized in the long run.

The difference to saying "core" stuff is that this always only applies to partially existing roles where some players are able to specialize into their preferred race sooner than others and don't have to to invest the same SP for the same playstile twice.

I don't see the point of giving out respecs at one point and saying "No More! Ever!" and then leaving a bunch of areas unfilled.

Every time CCP adds a new ship to Eve they should give Eve pilots a RESPEC as well.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. This often isn't the correct answer, but in this particular scenario:

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Whenever new gear is released, everyone in the game is at the same level with respect to the new gear. That's to say: 0SP invested.

The mentality behind giving out frequent RESPEC's is one for people who can't stand the fact that they've made decisions that they no longer like. That's not the way of Dust. You make the decision to skill into something, and that decision matters. You have the information that new skills and gear might release later on. If you're really concerned about getting into new gear as fast as possible, save your skill points until the new gear releases.

Every time CCP adds a new ship to Eve they should give Eve pilots a RESPEC as well.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. This often isn't the correct answer, but in this particular scenario:

Harden
The
****
Up



Whenever new gear is released, everyone in the game is at the same level with respect to the new gear. That's to say: 0SP invested.

The mentality behind giving out frequent RESPEC's is one for people who can't stand the fact that they've made decisions that they no longer like. That's not the way of Dust. You make the decision to skill into something, and that decision matters. You have the information that new skills and gear might release later on. If you're really concerned about getting into new gear as fast as possible, save your skill points until the new gear releases.

With all due respect, did you not read the updated proposal?
One respec, granted ONLY when all the UNFILLED areas are FINALLY filled. Not FREQUENT respecs whenever NEW gear comes out.

For crying out loud, read the actual thing man.

I used my SP. I made my choices. And I'm happy. But I am not happy that there are unfilled CRITICAL areas that CCP expects us to skill into after them not being available for a whole year. Heavies are the prime example of this.

It is all above. Read before jumping to silly conclusions.

Every time CCP adds a new ship to Eve they should give Eve pilots a RESPEC as well.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. This often isn't the correct answer, but in this particular scenario:

Harden
The
****
Up



Whenever new gear is released, everyone in the game is at the same level with respect to the new gear. That's to say: 0SP invested.

The mentality behind giving out frequent RESPEC's is one for people who can't stand the fact that they've made decisions that they no longer like. That's not the way of Dust. You make the decision to skill into something, and that decision matters. You have the information that new skills and gear might release later on. If you're really concerned about getting into new gear as fast as possible, save your skill points until the new gear releases.

If you want to skill into something you have no knowledge of when or how it will be, hold onto your SP......well thought through plan

supposed to roll militia heavy (want minmatar or galente heavy) and forge guns (no militia level hmg and no other Heavy AI guns) for a whole year...makes sense

I'm sorry. What game are we playing? What platform are we playing it on?

The thing is about EVE, their is a racial variant for almost everything, if not everything in the game. Most of the modules and weapon types are there and working and will most likely never change.

Where as here in DUST (Yes, thats the game we're playing, shocking, right?) we still haven't even gotten simple placeholders for the other racial variants, Gallente, Caldari, Mimatar Heavy / Amarr, Caldari Scout / Minmatar, Amarr Vehicles, and of course, we're in a Beta, no matter what CCP says, weapons still require balancing, changing .etc, and its not my fault if CCP one day decides that Armour HAVs need nerfing (Just an example), I couldn't look into the future and tell myself;

"Okay, this and this will get nerfed, better not spec into it"

Okay, I do agree, when new content (Jets, new dropsuit roles) get added, there should be no respecs, but we should still have a respec system.

CCP will very likely give partial respecs just like they do in EVE. Meaning when they release other heavy suits you'll be reimbursed the SP that you used on Amarr heavy.

Exactly my point. Its bloody annoying, thank ye very much.

Hows this for a thought. You know new things are coming up in the game, why not show some self control and save some SP. I sit on about 1 mil SP all the time never spend it because when they put something out it gives me the flexibility to do what I want to if they put out any thing worth the points. In the up coming MONTHS just save about 10 %. I play fairly regularly and in 4 months I racked up 12 mil SP, so in four more months I should have around 24-25 mil that sounds like it will be plenty.

TL;DR save a portion of your SP dummy

Hows this for a thought. You know new things are coming up in the game, why not show some self control and save some SP. I sit on about 1 mil SP all the time never spend it because when they put something out it gives me the flexibility to do what I want to if they put out any thing worth the points. In the up coming MONTHS just save about 10 %. I play fairly regularly and in 4 months I racked up 12 mil SP, so in four more months I should have around 24-25 mil that sounds like it will be plenty.

TL;DR save a portion of your SP dummy

I've been saying this for a while now. It's only fair for the people who didn't get their heavy/scout/vehicle released and were forced to skill into something else.

Instead CCP chose to go with clever(not really) release date

I'm willing to bet that the release date gimmick was more of Sony's doing than CCP's.

The problem with that theory is that Sony didn't make any effort to advertise that release date. It still received the same PSN store presence as it had prior to 5/14.

Hows this for a thought. You know new things are coming up in the game, why not show some self control and save some SP. I sit on about 1 mil SP all the time never spend it because when they put something out it gives me the flexibility to do what I want to if they put out any thing worth the points. In the up coming MONTHS just save about 10 %. I play fairly regularly and in 4 months I racked up 12 mil SP, so in four more months I should have around 24-25 mil that sounds like it will be plenty.

TL;DR save a portion of your SP dummy

No!

No more respecs, we knew we were getting pilot suits since at least the beginning of Beta. CCP will always add new suits, they can't give out a respec every time they do.

No more.

Let me guess you skilled a medium frame?

We're not asking for a full respec of all skills. Simply the ability to reallocate SP spent on Ammar Heavy.

While it's true that if Caldari Heavy/Sentinel were available I would have went in a very different direction with module skills, potentially 2-3mill SP different, I can deal with that as those options are clearly before me. Whereas if I want to be marginally successful as a heavy I MUST skill Ammar Heavy or Sentinel.

I really do not understand how anyone could be opposed to this simple request.

Sony didn't advertise MAG worth a damn either.That's just what they do.Put something out into the world and let it fend for itself.In contrast,look at how Microsoft has always put a lot of effort into showcasing Halo and Gears Of War.Whether you like those games or not,they get some serious coverage,which leads to more people buying the game than if they wouldn't have advertised them.

Maybe for Dust though,since even though it's an official release,this game still isn't up to par with any other shooter on the market right now,which would only lead to even more negative press than it has already received.

No more respecs please, not even ONE LAST ONE. Anticipating some new gear coming out? Start saving sp now.


SAY NO TO RESPEC

No more respecs please, not even ONE LAST ONE. Anticipating some new gear coming out? Start saving sp now.


SAY NO TO RESPEC

I'm willing to bet that the release date gimmick was more of Sony's doing than CCP's.

CCP will very likely give partial respecs just like they do in EVE. Meaning when they release other heavy suits you'll be reimbursed the SP that you used on Amarr heavy.

^ This.