DUST Search - The Issue With Unreleased Gear

Another Heavy SOB wrote:

We are 138 wrote:

Hows this for a thought. You know new things are coming up in the game, why not show some self control and save some SP. I sit on about 1 mil SP all the time never spend it because when they put something out it gives me the flexibility to do what I want to if they put out any thing worth the points. In the up coming MONTHS just save about 10 %. I play fairly regularly and in 4 months I racked up 12 mil SP, so in four more months I should have around 24-25 mil that sounds like it will be plenty.

TL;DR save a portion of your SP dummy

Let me guess you skilled a medium frame?

We're not asking for a full respec of all skills. Simply the ability to reallocate SP spent on Ammar Heavy.

While it's true that if Caldari Heavy/Sentinel were available I would have went in a very different direction with module skills, potentially 2-3mill SP different, I can deal with that as those options are clearly before me. Whereas if I want to be marginally successful as a heavy I MUST skill Ammar Heavy or Sentinel.

I really do not understand how anyone could be opposed to this simple request.

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dday3six Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 31	Posted - 2013.06.29 02:54:00 - [31] - Quote We are 138 wrote: Hows this for a thought. You know new things are coming up in the game, why not show some self control and save some SP. I sit on about 1 mil SP all the time never spend it because when they put something out it gives me the flexibility to do what I want to if they put out any thing worth the points. In the up coming MONTHS just save about 10 %. I play fairly regularly and in 4 months I racked up 12 mil SP, so in four more months I should have around 24-25 mil that sounds like it will be plenty. TL;DR save a portion of your SP dummy That is very easy to do when you have proto gear set to fall back on. However asking players to save large portions of SP for an undefined period of time is asking a great deal when gear is going to be against them the whole time if they don't spec into something other then "core" upgrades that are useful for just about any specialization. Also in a 120 day period without boosters the combined total of SP gained is 5,638,400 million by reaching the SP bonus cap each week, and with passive SP. To reach 12 million SP in 120 days is going to require 6,362 matches played after reaching the SP bonus cap, if the 1,000 WP cap is reached everytime. Sure that is doable, but most players are not going to have that sort of free time. That would be 54 matches a day, assuming a player gains 1,000 SP each time. Sure boosters can cut that time down, but not every players has access to them, and I thought most players were very much against pay to win. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=970688#post970688 --- Thread on SP Math for reference.
Nguruthos IX Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 638	Posted - 2013.06.29 02:57:00 - [32] - Quote Skipper Jones wrote: I've been saying this for a while now. It's only fair for the people who didn't get their heavy/scout/vehicle released and were forced to skill into something else. This x 10,000 CCP will have to respec us because we're their core players/customers. And to present a would be Amarr Dropship user with the choice "Spend 4 million SP into another race, which you won't want to use later and will be forever wasted, OR wait for us to release the other races (AKA, don't play Dust at all for a year or so). No thanks. How about since dust is "Released" with 10% of the content, I have the option later to place my SP into what I would have wanted originally if you hadn't been behind in art / too uptight to use placeholder models. And why not use place holders? It's not like Dust has any sort of a good image to be preserving at this point...
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 392	Posted - 2013.06.29 04:52:00 - [33] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Instead CCP chose to go with clever(not really) release date I'm willing to bet that the release date gimmick was more of Sony's doing than CCP's.
Another Heavy SOB TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 205	Posted - 2013.06.29 04:57:00 - [34] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Instead CCP chose to go with clever(not really) release date I'm willing to bet that the release date gimmick was more of Sony's doing than CCP's. The problem with that theory is that Sony didn't make any effort to advertise that release date. It still received the same PSN store presence as it had prior to 5/14.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 392	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:51:00 - [35] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Instead CCP chose to go with clever(not really) release date I'm willing to bet that the release date gimmick was more of Sony's doing than CCP's. The problem with that theory is that Sony didn't make any effort to advertise that release date. It still received the same PSN store presence as it had prior to 5/14. Sony didn't advertise MAG worth a damn either.That's just what they do.Put something out into the world and let it fend for itself.In contrast,look at how Microsoft has always put a lot of effort into showcasing Halo and Gears Of War.Whether you like those games or not,they get some serious coverage,which leads to more people buying the game than if they wouldn't have advertised them. Maybe for Dust though,since even though it's an official release,this game still isn't up to par with any other shooter on the market right now,which would only lead to even more negative press than it has already received.
Rayan Storm ZionTCD 387	Posted - 2013.06.29 19:59:00 - [36] - Quote We are 138 wrote: Hows this for a thought. You know new things are coming up in the game, why not show some self control and save some SP. I sit on about 1 mil SP all the time never spend it because when they put something out it gives me the flexibility to do what I want to if they put out any thing worth the points. In the up coming MONTHS just save about 10 %. I play fairly regularly and in 4 months I racked up 12 mil SP, so in four more months I should have around 24-25 mil that sounds like it will be plenty. TL;DR save a portion of your SP dummy Idiots. Idiots everywhere. For crying out loud people, read my original post. Otherwise, don't comment. How do you expect a player who cannot even skill into what they want SAVE UP SP FOR INDEFINITE AMOUNTS OF TIME AND USE MILITIA CRAP. And not all of us have time to save up millions of SP. Use self-control? And not having anything to play with at all? 10% of saved SP for a player who plays maybe 1 match a day is nothing. A proto racial suit is 2.5 million SP. All the modules and specialized gear, which we don't even know about yet, is also pricey. Common sense man. Common sense.
Rayan Storm ZionTCD 387	Posted - 2013.06.29 20:01:00 - [37] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No! No more respecs, we knew we were getting pilot suits since at least the beginning of Beta. CCP will always add new suits, they can't give out a respec every time they do. No more. Read. My. POST! I said one LAST respec when CORE and MISSING ELEMENTS ARE FILLED IN. Not new stuff. MISSING STUFF. Like heavy suits, proto tanks, missing engineering modules and so on. Jeez, do you guys ever read anything?
Rayan Storm ZionTCD 387	Posted - 2013.06.29 20:02:00 - [38] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: We are 138 wrote: Hows this for a thought. You know new things are coming up in the game, why not show some self control and save some SP. I sit on about 1 mil SP all the time never spend it because when they put something out it gives me the flexibility to do what I want to if they put out any thing worth the points. In the up coming MONTHS just save about 10 %. I play fairly regularly and in 4 months I racked up 12 mil SP, so in four more months I should have around 24-25 mil that sounds like it will be plenty. TL;DR save a portion of your SP dummy Let me guess you skilled a medium frame? We're not asking for a full respec of all skills. Simply the ability to reallocate SP spent on Ammar Heavy. While it's true that if Caldari Heavy/Sentinel were available I would have went in a very different direction with module skills, potentially 2-3mill SP different, I can deal with that as those options are clearly before me. Whereas if I want to be marginally successful as a heavy I MUST skill Ammar Heavy or Sentinel. I really do not understand how anyone could be opposed to this simple request. Exactly!!
NaglfarBP Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 38	Posted - 2013.06.29 20:37:00 - [39] - Quote No more respecs please, not even ONE LAST ONE. Anticipating some new gear coming out? Start saving sp now. SAY NO TO RESPEC
Another Heavy SOB TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 207	Posted - 2013.06.29 20:59:00 - [40] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Instead CCP chose to go with clever(not really) release date I'm willing to bet that the release date gimmick was more of Sony's doing than CCP's. The problem with that theory is that Sony didn't make any effort to advertise that release date. It still received the same PSN store presence as it had prior to 5/14. Sony didn't advertise MAG worth a damn either.That's just what they do.Put something out into the world and let it fend for itself.In contrast,look at how Microsoft has always put a lot of effort into showcasing Halo and Gears Of War.Whether you like those games or not,they get some serious coverage,which leads to more people buying the game than if they wouldn't have advertised them. Maybe for Dust though,since even though it's an official release,this game still isn't up to par with any other shooter on the market right now,which would only lead to even more negative press than it has already received. So what part of that retort was meant to imply that Sony was in fact the ones pushing that date? If Sony doesn't give enough of a damn to help with advertising (usually the publisher's responsibility by the way) then what the hell makes you think they gave enough fucks to push a release date on CCP? NaglfarBP wrote: No more respecs please, not even ONE LAST ONE. Anticipating some new gear coming out? Start saving sp now. SAY NO TO RESPEC Can you read? I guess the better question is did you read a single dammed post in this thread?

Eriknaught Vader's Taco Shack 11	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:08:00 - [41] - Quote NaglfarBP wrote: No more respecs please, not even ONE LAST ONE. Anticipating some new gear coming out? Start saving sp now. SAY NO TO RESPEC I pretty much agree with this. However, individual skill reimbursement when they change a skill set only seems right. I also think that they should have more "universal" skills. A general Heavy Suit skill that can be applied to ALL basic Heavy frames would be good, then you can jump right into your Racial Variant when it comes out. This can be applied to a myriad of other skills (vehicles especially). The only areas I see this already possibly happening with are weapons. Only one AR skill tree even tho it's for the Gallente AR, kinda tells me that when they release the Minmatar AR I'll already be set up. This is only speculation of course, and I don't really mind the grind if this isn't the case. So yeah, full respecs? NO, specialized skill reimbursement? Sure. That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2069	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:15:00 - [42] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Instead CCP chose to go with clever(not really) release date I'm willing to bet that the release date gimmick was more of Sony's doing than CCP's. Sony had no reason to want this incomplete game released yet, this was CCP's doing, they probably got annoyed with the merc pack debate and went "fuq it"
Rayan Storm ZionTCD 390	Posted - 2013.06.30 01:27:00 - [43] - Quote I am amused by the number of people who do not even bother reading my post and put up stupid comments. Thanks to those who read, and then offer intelligent replies!
Heavy Breaks Ill Omens EoN. 71	Posted - 2013.06.30 01:49:00 - [44] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: CCP will very likely give partial respecs just like they do in EVE. Meaning when they release other heavy suits you'll be reimbursed the SP that you used on Amarr heavy. ^ This.
Rayan Storm ZionTCD 397	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:00:00 - [45] - Quote Heavy Breaks wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: CCP will very likely give partial respecs just like they do in EVE. Meaning when they release other heavy suits you'll be reimbursed the SP that you used on Amarr heavy. ^ This. ^this


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