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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
1059
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:52:00 -
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Point of this is simple : CCP needs to stop giving out rewards in hilariously small quantities, which can never be earned again.
Examples : 'Quafe' scout suits. Black eagle suits. State protectorate/Fed defense suits.
CCP runs cool events, gives us like 10-25 of these suits, and then there is never a chance to earn them again. This doesn't make them a reward, this makes them a collectible trophy. In my mind, that is utter crap. Firstly, because it means no one really wants to use them for fear of not having them later. Secondly, because in a game where someone can lose all of those suits within hours... a quantity of 10-25 for a 'reward' is more of a slap in the face.
There are two solutions :
- Run more events, making these suits less unique but more available.
- Add an ability to restock 'unique' suits at a significantly increased price. (Maybe a use for LP later)
I don't feel the solutions are mutually exclusive, and while I prefer the second option, I'd love it if there was more events.
As an added bonus....Adding an option to restock items like this, also opens up the ability to 'fix' the LAV bpo blunder. (Referring to CCP offering standard level bpo's of LAV for various events and microtransaction packs) This allows for CCP to address the roadkilling issue with free LAV, yet lets people who 'paid/earned for them' to still have their unique vehicles for posterity.
This could even be extended to normal bpo's as a whole, but inverted. Having a BPO could make something drastically cheaper instead. That's a point for a separate topic though, I think.
The point is :
I want to see rewards that are actually rewarding, and practical to use. Paying a bit more ISK to maintain that special flair is definitely worth it, and otherwise, it's kind of a waste of dev-time to make suits, items, and vehicles that barely anyone will ever use because they are collectibles :(
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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
1062
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Posted - 2013.06.25 02:13:00 -
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low genius wrote:the op doesn't understand how the 'collectible' aspect of eve works. eventually those small small quantities will make them very valuable.
I know exactly how it works, and that's what I want to avoid. Stuff like the AT prizes for example. Every year there is 50 ships given out, and once they're gone, they're gone. Only a few are ballsy enough to actually use them. They're essentially wasted development assets.
They shouldn't be everyday replacements, but they should be there for people who want to show off that they have them. I've said it in the past, that ISK is a poor barrier, but it's a logical one in this case... As long as the 'reward' is not something that is exceptionally better than ISK variants. (Officer level 'rewards' should not be re-stockable and should be available only in events or as salvage... but those events shouldn't only happen once every few months)
But for stuff like the black eagle scout (Which is in many ways worse than militia level suits) there's no reason not to allow people to keep using those... for a price.
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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
1173
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Posted - 2013.07.20 06:19:00 -
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BPO's of the suits themselves (Especially if we're talking about higher than standard level) is a pretty bad idea, IMO.
BPO's are bad enough as-is, because beyond the initial 'cost' of acquiring them, they're essentially free forever. I have a post on why this is bad, if you search for it.
Moving more towards "BPO Skins" like suggested above allows CCP to make visual flair rewards that can be applied to their suit of choice, which is a much better option. That, or sticking with the current option of keeping these rewards consumable is much more viable than risky development choices like creating BPO's of higher than standard level.
On this note, though... We actually just had a meeting with CCP's event team, and I'm feeling pretty happy about what they brought to us regarding events for the next few months. During the meeting and in our internal forums afterwards, we had a pretty excellent discussion about ways they could possibly run events like those in the past to keep an infusion of these 'special suits' into the game, in a much more awesome way than in the past. While nothing's been solid confirmed yet... I'm pretty damn optimistic about what the Events team will bring us in the future now.
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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
1175
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Posted - 2013.07.20 17:56:00 -
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There should be a hardline limit on the meta level of any BPOs released. For example Dust doesn't need to ever see Proto level BPOs, but culling BPOs from the game completely after players have spent real money specifically to acquire those items? That's very bad policy.
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BPO's are bad policy. However, I agree. They can't simply remove them without having something adequate in place to make those purchases still have value. There's going to be a crowd who won't be pleased either way and will complain no matter what CCP does. But I'd much rather have CCP infuriate a small amount of people by doing the right thing than allow BPO's to continue to be a thing. It just encourages them to start making shadier and shadier steps towards P2W and other 'cash grabs'
Player stance on stuff like that needs to be firm and resolute to prevent CCP from getting any funny ideas. Permanent Cosmetic/vanity/Epeen purchases are fine. Permanent combat assets are not.
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