HMGs had no counter, I'm sorry heavys, but you should not be able to insta kill me from more then 30 meters.

HMGs had no counter, I'm sorry heavys, but you should not be able to insta kill me from more then 30 meters.

Flaylocks are not OP

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As for what makes something Over Powered, I don't think it totally hinges on whether something has a counter or not. It hinges on whether the counter is practical.

For instance: Flux grenades are a possible counter to Caldari Logis. It's impractical for every single player to carry flux grenades just to deal with that one, very popular suit.

An OP weapon is a weapon that is much better then all other weapons of the same class. While having little to no down sides, it also has a small learning curve.

Boom OP weapon.

You sound like you're decribing the normal AR

Mass drivers last build were good, but they got to the point that you could not get anyway near someone using it without them blowing you up.

HMGs had no counter, I'm sorry heavys, but you should not be able to insta kill me from more then 30 meters.

Shotguns:read HMG

Flaylocks are not OP, they need no balance to how they are used on the field, just how they are applied off field. Make the core have a very slight increase to its PG requirement. Thats it.

I think plasma cannons are fine, they just suffer from the same blast radius glitch all explosive weapons suffer from

The reason people cry OP is because they get killed many times by a top level weapons (that they do not realise is also UPGRADED with proficiency and dmg mods).

With the AR, you sacrifice using a specialized weapon and you cannot use it on vehicles.

With the AR, you sacrifice using a specialized weapon

Overpowered is an out of line efficacy/effort ratio.

Efficacy is how much damage something is, effective ranges, ehp, repairs, etc.
Effort is easy of use, tracking, required accuracy, time investment, fitting investment, etc.

Huh?

An AR does wonders to an HMG.

Just shoot from cover and from far away. If the HMG hides chuck nades at him.

Why is this not obvious to anyone?

Also scouts can flank and sneak up on em pretty easy.

Flaylocks are not OP, they need no balance to how they are used on the field, just how they are applied off field. Make the core have a very slight increase to its PG requirement. Thats it.

I'd like to discuss what makes a weapon OP.

A OP weapon is not something you get killed by alot, its something you can not kill no matter what. A weapon with no counter. A shotguns weekness is its short range, a snipers weakness is its terrible CQC and so on.

Many people using a weapon does not mean its OP, but many people will use a weapon if its OP.


In my opinion, its a very simple. If a weapon can not be countered AT ALL, it is OP. The TAC was far too amazing no matter how you slice it. You couldn't sneak up and kill someone with it, because they would turn around, unload a few hip fire rounds and you were dead.

Mass drivers last build were good, but they got to the point that you could not get anyway near someone using it without them blowing you up.

Lasers were not OP, just the Viziam (now they are all terrible)

HMGs had no counter, I'm sorry heavys, but you should not be able to insta kill me from more then 30 meters.

Shotguns:read HMG

Flaylocks are not OP, they need no balance to how they are used on the field, just how they are applied off field. Make the core have a very slight increase to its PG requirement. Thats it.

Thats all I got. Btw I'm a AR/plasma cannon user (and I think plasma cannons are fine, they just suffer from the same blast radius glitch all explosive weapons suffer from)

also toe to toe the GEK spanked heavies

And why would I want to use a specialized weapon if an AR is just as good at doing that specialized weapons role? frankly the only thing it can't do is shoot at a range, considering the only weapon ATM that can is the sniper rifle, why should I not use an AR?

You would think being specialized would make other weapons better at their own roles... but they're not.

Currently all you need is an AR/SCR and flaylock/SMG, why would I use anything else?

Ahh, the real reason for this thread.

They tend to suicide in CQC (the higher tier you get, the easier this is to do), and they have a very hard time hitting above them. They were also considered (as heavily agreed upon in a thread) as the weapon that requires the most practice to be good with. (the title is currently held by plasma cannons)

I actually made an alt that uses plasma cannons. I personally think that they just need to improve more as the tiers increase. Players seem to not understand where you should use these (they're best in high-cover areas for supporting your team- not killing in the open 1v1)

I would say another characteristic of an overpowered weapon, is one that makes the role of other weapons utterly superfluous. Not in the sense that say a Light Weapon is superior than a Secondary Weapon (After-all, Secondary Weapons are meant to be "lesser" versions of primary weapons), but in the sense that a weapon makes you say "Ppfftt, why on Earth do I want to use those when I have THIS one that can accomplish the same function", ergo, the way Assault Rifles and Scrambler Rifles (to a lesser extent) utterly make Mass Drivers, Laser Rifles, and Heavy Machine Guns (Yes, I included HMG's, in a game where speed is valuable, I can kill mercs just as quickly with an AS or SR without the disadvantages of the HMG).

That to me is also a huge problem of the current Assault rifles, it makes a great many other weapons utterly superfluous. I really do hope they bring the stats of the Chromosome-era Mass Drivers and Laser Rifles (with the Viziam naturally being teaked ), THOSE competed well on par with Assault Rifles, and using different means to do it (MD = Splash Damage, LR = Long Range persistent damage).