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hooc roht
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.23 10:39:00 -
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The ratio cannot be negative.
So no one ever "goes negative".
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This has been a public service announcement brought to you by your friendly neighborhood hooc. |
Echoist
Fenrir's Wolves
RUST415
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Posted - 2013.06.23 10:47:00 -
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Actually it "technically" can go negative it just has to go below 1.00. But other wise yeah it can't go negative. |
Dengru
Red Star.
EoN.
25
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Posted - 2013.06.23 10:48:00 -
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It's time to stop posting |
Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.23 10:51:00 -
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The direction of change of the KDR can be negative. |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control
Otherworld Empire Productions
433
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Posted - 2013.06.23 10:53:00 -
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O M G ! ! !
A bit confused about the public service provided though bc you fail to give more indepth information as to why we should care.
/c |
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Smoky Fingers
Red Star.
EoN.
50
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Posted - 2013.06.23 10:54:00 -
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Only in New Eden , can you divide by zero and have negative ratios. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
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Posted - 2013.06.23 11:30:00 -
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hooc roht wrote:The ratio cannot be negative.
So no one ever "goes negative".
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This has been a public service announcement brought to you by your friendly neighborhood hooc.
I thought that I was the only one in this game who thought it was dumb everytime someone said they "went negative". Thank god there are other people that can do math in this game.
Seriously, I could *maybe*, understand if it was something that a player had to calculate.... I guess...? But it's NOT, it's a damn number that shows up in multiple places.... and it never has a negative sign.
So, if you can't do math, okay, but learn to read at least..... |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
64
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Posted - 2013.06.23 11:31:00 -
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+1 to you OP |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1241
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Posted - 2013.06.23 11:36:00 -
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You can go negative if you kill lots of teammates in PC.  |
Faquira Bleuetta
0uter.Heaven
League of Infamy
15
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Posted - 2013.06.23 12:55:00 -
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Dust 514 will finally be complete maybe before Doom 514 i guess |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3951
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Posted - 2013.06.23 12:57:00 -
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Negative is the idea that something is less than nothing, and if your kills aren't above your deaths.....
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
70
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Posted - 2013.06.23 13:21:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Negative is the idea that something is less than nothing, and if your kills aren't above your deaths.....
I see where you are going but if your kills are not above your deaths it still doesn't mean that your kills are less than nothing. For that to happen your kills would have to be less than zero.....
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3951
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Posted - 2013.06.23 13:23:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:I see where you are going but if your kills are not above your deaths it still doesn't mean that your kills are less than nothing. For that to happen your kills would have to be less than zero.....
Who said anything about your kills being less than nothing?
This of course doesn't apply to support characters, only slayers or wanna be slayers  |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
70
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Posted - 2013.06.23 13:32:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Matticus Monk wrote:I see where you are going but if your kills are not above your deaths it still doesn't mean that your kills are less than nothing. For that to happen your kills would have to be less than zero..... Who said anything about your kills being less than nothing? This of course doesn't apply to support characters, only slayers or wanna be slayers
Well, I thought you were implying this dude..... you mention the idea of negative being something less than nothing (0). Then you say if your kills are less than your deaths and you do the thing with the dots..... you know, like I should ponder your statement.
So, I stretch out and think "okay, how low can my kills get? Sure, zero is the lowest, and that's still not lower than nothing"
Ouch, some of the logic in this thread is making my head hurt. It's a thread about KDR but if we wanna talk about something else and you want me to guess what it is.... use more dots at the end of your sentences, maybe that will help. |
Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned
League of Infamy
462
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Posted - 2013.06.23 13:32:00 -
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It is simple logic really. If your KDR goes down it is being reduced. This implies subraction and to do that we must apply a negative value. It is because KDR is an average we do not see the negative numbers. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
201
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Posted - 2013.06.23 13:36:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:Doom 514
Have you got a patent on that? if not yoink!
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
70
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Posted - 2013.06.23 13:40:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:It is simple logic really. If your KDR goes down it is being reduced. This implies subraction and to do that we must apply a negative value. It is because KDR is an average we do not see the negative numbers.
Oh my God. Forget it.... it is simple logic, really.
KDR = Kill to Death ratio. In mathematical terms this means Kills / Deaths = some number. For "some number" to be negative, either number of kills or number of deaths needs to be negative.
If by "going negative" people really mean, "my KDR is decreasing", okay - I sort of get this. But, at no point is the actual KDR negative.... nor is anything being subtracted anywhere.
Average is (Number 1 + Number 2 + .....+ Number N) / total number of numbers in the sequence.
There is no 'subtraction' there, implied or otherwise.
But peace! I see where you guys are going with your somewhat illogical math and logic.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3952
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Posted - 2013.06.23 13:41:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:Ouch, some of the logic in this thread is making my head hurt. It's a thread about KDR but if we wanna talk about something else and you want me to guess what it is.... use more dots at the end of your sentences, maybe that will help.
Maybe it will....
Basically I'm saying if you don't get more kills than deaths as a slayer than you are less than nothing and should biomass your character.
Not really, you can still drive an LAV or something
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DS 10
G I A N T
EoN.
452
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Posted - 2013.06.23 14:12:00 -
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The term "going negative" is from using a KD spread instead of a KD ratio.
15 kills minus 4 deaths = +11 KD Spread
4 kills minus 15 deaths = -11 KD Spread |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
246
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Posted - 2013.06.23 14:56:00 -
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I just went negative in a match. |
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Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
391
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Posted - 2013.06.23 15:09:00 -
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I think what the OP is getting at is that if your total kills is lower than your total deaths,then your stats won't show it as a -k/d,like -2.35 or something like that.
So what the issue is here is that it comes down to phrasing.Once your deaths are higher than your kills,it's a death to kill ratio.Basically,it's the same thing,but without a negative number,so at that point,it should indicate that you have more deaths than kills instead of more kills than deaths.That's where the negative number would come in.
There should absolutely be a negative number for k/d if you are tracking that stat(which I think they should do away with). |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
357
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Posted - 2013.06.23 15:46:00 -
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anyone with a KDR of below at least 1.0 needs to step up their game, if your not getting a postive KD at the end of the match you failed your team as an asset and generally let yourself down. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
365
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Posted - 2013.06.23 16:03:00 -
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The quotient of two positive* integers is always a positive rational. I can probably come up with a proof that the product (and thus, quotient) of two positives is positive, if anyone really cares. So yes, k/d > 0 for all k, d > 0
Of course, we could argue that "positive" and "negative" in this context refer to the exponential sign. You see, any number** can be represented as e^x for some x. Even negative numbers, although you need a complex value of x for that. Anyway, when x is negative, the absolute value of e^x is less than 1.
We could also take negative and positive to be referring to the rate of change. This makes sense in the context of "going negative", which is how people often say it. If a function of the rate of change of your kdr could be made, then that function would be negative if the value was decreasing. In this context the negativity has no bearing on what your kdr actually is. You could have a kdr of ten and you would be considered negative because of a game where you did poorly.
*Defining "positive" here as "greater than 0"
**Except 0. There is no x such that e^x = 0 |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens
EoN.
96
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Posted - 2013.06.23 16:14:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:[quote=Severance Pay] If by "going negative" people really mean, "my KDR is decreasing", okay - I sort of get this.
This is what people mean. /thread
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
758
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Posted - 2013.06.23 16:18:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Matticus Monk wrote:[quote=Severance Pay] If by "going negative" people really mean, "my KDR is decreasing", okay - I sort of get this. This is what people mean. /thread
No, it isn't. Sorry, but you're wrong.
If people meant this, they would refer to going negative anytime their in match KDR is less than their current lifetime KDR. SO, people might say they're going negative even with a match kdr of say 2.0, if their lifetime KDR was 3.0.
When people say going negative, they are referring to a KDR of less than 1, and that is pretty stupid.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3962
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Posted - 2013.06.23 16:20:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:When people say going negative, they are referring to a KDR of less than 1, and that is pretty stupid.
What's pretty stupid is people getting upset by a harmless saying |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
758
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Posted - 2013.06.23 16:24:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Buster Friently wrote:When people say going negative, they are referring to a KDR of less than 1, and that is pretty stupid. What's pretty stupid is people getting upset by a harmless saying
I'm not sure that anyone here is upset. I can say, for one, that I'm not. However, it doesn't take me being upset to point out when something is illogical or stupid, as is the case here.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3962
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Posted - 2013.06.23 16:35:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:I'm not sure that anyone here is upset. I can say, for one, that I'm not. However, it doesn't take me being upset to point out when something is illogical or stupid, as is the case here.
Well for me, I look at 1 kill to 1 death as 0. That is my ground floor. So, in my little world, anything beneath a 1 to 1 ratio is negative. If we're arguing this "logically" for the sake of "logical" debate, then sure, I guess I can see people getting flustered. |
TheReaper852
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
97
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Posted - 2013.06.23 16:42:00 -
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The OP and whoever agrees with him are complete noobs to gaming. Going negative isn't talking about your KDR at all, no one says look your KDR is negative! (Unless they don't know what they are saying) People say go negative because they are referring to your kills-deaths=negative. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
988
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Posted - 2013.06.23 16:45:00 -
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How do I mathes? What is the square root of my k/d ratio? |
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
77
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Posted - 2013.06.23 17:58:00 -
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TheReaper852 wrote:The OP and whoever agrees with him are complete noobs to gaming. Going negative isn't talking about your KDR at all, no one says look your KDR is negative! (Unless they don't know what they are saying) People say go negative because they are referring to your kills-deaths=negative.
+1 to someone for actually saying something about 'going negative' that makes sense....
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