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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:38:00 -
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For those of you who don't know me, I'm the famous nova knifer who has dedicated every SP and every minute of my time into specializing in nova knives. If you are patient enough, here is a list of my previous diaries that carry all of the details that I ever written:
From earliest to latest https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40601&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41545&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=44769&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48336&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59532&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68032&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=76907&find=unread
Wow, what a list.
Anyways, I just completed my first official lecture earlier this week on Monday where I gave a detailed orientation on the nova knifing profession. Interestingly there were a lot of students attending and one of them was actually a dedicated tank driver who got interested. After 45 minutes of lecturing and back-n-forth Q&A, those of us in the class who had time decided to squad up so I can at least give them a taste of what to expect and what it takes to be a knifer. Needless to say we suffered heavy losses but we actually did pretty well and held our ground for a bit. At the very least, I tried to make sure they were close together as a group but that was difficult was maintain when the battlefield changes so dynamically and abruptly.
For those of you who are D-Uni members, I already have plans for another lecture hopefully by the end of this month. Stay tuned in the D-Uni section of the forums for details.
Also, I am curious to want to know why friend Nova Knife hasn't logged into the BACON-KNIVES chat channel after all this time. The password for the channel is zn28 and everyone knows this. Come on, Nova. Join the dark side. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:38:00 -
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DUST University Ivy League
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DUST University Ivy League
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DUST University Ivy League
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Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.22 17:18:00 -
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It's cool and all, but you're starting to sound a bit... desperate. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.22 17:24:00 -
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.22 17:30:00 -
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@Onesimus
Do I sound like that? Well, I post diaries all the time. I've been doing this since closed beta and I intend to keep doing this until there is nothing left to talk about which will be a very long time because most of my diaries are about what I have done along with tidbits of information on what I have researched on for others to learn from. Every now and then I even post my misadventures like how I died so many times that I often don't even look at my scores whenever I end up in a very bad match. My diaries are also meant to encourage others into Nova Knifing and so far there are more people knifing than I thought. Every few matches I would encounter at least one other knifer who is in the opposing side. |
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Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
499
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Posted - 2013.06.22 17:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:@Onesimus
Do I sound like that? Well, I post diaries all the time. I've been doing this since closed beta and I intend to keep doing this until there is nothing left to talk about which will be a very long time because most of my diaries are about what I have done along with tidbits of information on what I have researched on for others to learn from. Every now and then I even post my misadventures like how I died so many times that I often don't even look at my scores whenever I end up in a very bad match. My diaries are also meant to encourage others into Nova Knifing and so far there are more people knifing than I thought. Every few matches I would encounter at least one other knifer who is in the opposing side.
Can't fault you that. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.22 17:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.22 17:36:00 -
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Wait, is it because I post a lot of reserved posts that I seem desperate? I guess that might be the case, but that's only because I don't want to deal with the hassle of linking multiple replies into my OP and because I want to make it easier for the readers to catch up on info. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.24 13:32:00 -
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Post #1 updated with important information on knives. |
Absolute Idiom II
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
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Posted - 2013.06.24 13:36:00 -
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Travi Zyg
The Butter-Knife Bandit
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Posted - 2013.06.24 14:21:00 -
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good stuff Maken...was nice playing in the channel the other day...i may have some really good info / strategy to add you your documents soon. catch ya later ! |
noobsniper the 2nd
Lost Souls of New Eden PMC
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:23:00 -
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hey maybe we could play togather i could use some tips and tricks : p |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1739
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:34:00 -
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Btw, turns out that with the 2 slashes, it actually does deal damage twice. Sometimes I just knick somebody and they don't take the usual damage |
DEVILJIN 49
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 00:04:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.27 00:48:00 -
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I believe I popped you once before with a Scrambler Rifle, but dayum it wasnt easy. Could you slow down a bit next time? Us Gallente scouts arent quite so speedy as you. |
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First Prophet
Jaguar Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 00:55:00 -
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Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:13:00 -
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.29 07:17:00 -
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Post #2 updated. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.01 01:20:00 -
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Post #3 updated. |
Spec Ops Cipher
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
96
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Posted - 2013.07.01 01:53:00 -
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I also nova knife, this build its fantastic, CCP did a great job at making them usable. I use a minmitar scout with Proto knives. With my skills each uncharged hit does about 265 dam, and they swing twice with each attack. Last week I achieved a 99 kill streak with knives (across about 10 pub games, not counting when I died in av fits chasing tanks). Anyway, from my experience knives do 148% to the head and when fully charged, do slightly more than double damage, about 1150.
That means double headshot does about 1570 damage! Now, I personally think knives do more damage to armour than shields, because heavies tend to die to 1 double hit. I think it's 100% to shields, and 120% to armour. From my research, a Calogi and heavy with similar amounts of hp - the logi (with most shields) loses less hp than the heavy, armour based.
I will do more research, but before people look at the numbers I'm throwing out and scream OP, I'm sat on the perfect build for knives, which takes about 9m of my 15.5m SP and has a range of 1 meter. Nearly 3am - bedtime. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2966
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Posted - 2013.07.01 03:11:00 -
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@spec
Actually me and my D-Uni colleagues were running some experiments on the damage of the knives. Turns out that the knives have a 40% bonus damage towards shields and 20% bonus damage towards armor. This includes both charged and uncharged attacks. We had someone (with no skills on knives) use the AUR knife that you can use without any skill as a basis of the math involved. It's a weak knife, but does the job for those looking to gather data. |
Spec Ops Cipher
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.01 12:42:00 -
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The damage bonus only comes into play when you upgrade proficiency or use minmitar suit, aur knives should have no effect on this, because that skill only decreases charge time. And maybe you should test these in corp battles, who knows, an errant sniper could have interfered with your experiment. |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc
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Posted - 2013.07.01 13:26:00 -
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Some Nova Knifers shanked me yesterday I got into a match with them again, so I got out my scrambler pistol and smacked 2 of them to death with it
#keepingthemhonest |
Slash Frenzy
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
1
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:04:00 -
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Quote:Some Nova Knifers shanked me yesterday I got into a match with them again, so I got out my scrambler pistol and smacked 2 of them to death with it
I also run knifes as main, but my I have my lovely ScramPistol as a sidearm for exactly this reason!
Besides shotguns and plain open fields... |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2970
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:50:00 -
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Spec Ops Cipher wrote:The damage bonus only comes into play when you upgrade proficiency or use minmitar suit, aur knives should have no effect on this, because that skill only decreases charge time. And maybe you should test these in corp battles, who knows, an errant sniper could have interfered with your experiment.
Actually the damage bonus I'm talking about is not related to the proficiency or suit. It's a bonus of its own. The tests were conducted in isolated areas of the matches in three different matches to ensure consistency. PC battles would be inefficient for testing due to the resources required to start a PC battle just for a simple test. It was better to do it in the mercenary battles where we can choose separate sides. We did encounter one arrant merc messing with us, but thankfully he didn't skew the results. |
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:03:00 -
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@Mak
I have to say, and this goes for any scout, it is critical that you drop everything and train your endurance mods up to complex level.
I can't believe you've done so well on a basic one. IT is not just that you get a huge incrase in stamina with complex vs enhanced, but you recover stamina twice as fast.
To be a scout, that is huge beyond compare and will result in far less death. for yourself. Not just useful for escaping, but hunting prey. You need to be able to outrun your opponent to have real tactical advantage. You can also begin to leap with abandon (kind of).
wow tho. 1100 on a swipe! And as a gallente no less! How is your NK proficiency? Are you rocking dam mods?
I run a complex sidearm dam mod myself.
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Sleepy Zan
Sleepytime Gorilla Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:06:00 -
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Still never seen these supposed knifing skills ingame. |
Spec Ops Cipher
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
98
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:56:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Spec Ops Cipher wrote:The damage bonus only comes into play when you upgrade proficiency or use minmitar suit, aur knives should have no effect on this, because that skill only decreases charge time. And maybe you should test these in corp battles, who knows, an errant sniper could have interfered with your experiment. Actually the damage bonus I'm talking about is not related to the proficiency or suit. It's a bonus of its own. The tests were conducted in isolated areas of the matches in three different matches to ensure consistency. PC battles would be inefficient for testing due to the resources required to start a PC battle just for a simple test. It was better to do it in the mercenary battles where we can choose separate sides. We did encounter one arrant merc messing with us, but thankfully he didn't skew the results.
Alright, I set up a corp battle to try this today, with a team of SI on the other side, as test subjects. The testing was extensive and I was using Proto Minnie scout and Proto knives.
Knives do 100% to shields and 100% to armour. Knives do 150% to the head A fully charged Proto knife does 600 damage per hit (+ your proficiency)
I also investigated the effectiveness of damping and passive scanning - WHICH DO NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT WHATSOEVER. I'll be submitting a bug report including details of my tests later this week, maybe even tomorrow. I've wasted 2mil sp on these skills at the minute.
We then played hide and seek, 'twas fun. |
Spec Ops Cipher
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
98
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:59:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Still never seen these supposed knifing skills ingame. If you're talking about me, ask 13ear, I'm EU |
BARDAS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:10:00 -
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+1 for the huge information dump. I will take some time to read it when I am able. Using SMG/Nova combo currently, though I only have 3.6 million SP and the majority of my weapon skills are dumped into SMGs. I only have up to ADV Novas currently. Feels like I'm just starting to hit my stride and getting more kills consistently.
I also seem to do better getting kills and staying in a positive K/D ratio in Ambush vs Skirmish though I do still have matches where I die frequently due to learning mistakes. May join D-Uni to attend your lecture later this month actually if you are still going to have it.
I think my next step is going to be snagging Nova to 5 and Biotics to 5 for the catalizers. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2976
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:24:00 -
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Spec Ops Cipher wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Spec Ops Cipher wrote:The damage bonus only comes into play when you upgrade proficiency or use minmitar suit, aur knives should have no effect on this, because that skill only decreases charge time. And maybe you should test these in corp battles, who knows, an errant sniper could have interfered with your experiment. Actually the damage bonus I'm talking about is not related to the proficiency or suit. It's a bonus of its own. The tests were conducted in isolated areas of the matches in three different matches to ensure consistency. PC battles would be inefficient for testing due to the resources required to start a PC battle just for a simple test. It was better to do it in the mercenary battles where we can choose separate sides. We did encounter one arrant merc messing with us, but thankfully he didn't skew the results. Alright, I set up a corp battle to try this today, with a team of SI on the other side, as test subjects. The testing was extensive and I was using Proto Minnie scout and Proto knives. Knives do 100% to shields and 100% to armour. Knives do 150% to the head A fully charged Proto knife does 600 damage per hit (+ your proficiency) I also investigated the effectiveness of damping and passive scanning - WHICH DO NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT WHATSOEVER. I'll be submitting a bug report including details of my tests later this week, maybe even tomorrow. I've wasted 2mil sp on these skills at the minute. We then played hide and seek, 'twas fun.
Hmm. That is interesting. I'll talk to my colleagues to see if we can review and conduct the experiment one more time to be sure. Thanks for the info. I'll let my directors know about this. |
Medic 1879
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
500
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:30:00 -
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Had a knifer coming at me while I was doing a bit of AV'ing I totally panicked and instead of switching to my SMG I hit melee with my SL out and did the cool left hook thing and got the guy. I was totally speechless and got a message from him just saying LOL. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3050
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:00:00 -
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Post #3 updated. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:25:00 -
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I approve of space ninjas |
Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:40:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:
---Update 5 July 2013---
Holy crap, I just got finished with a match where I ended on the top three of the roster with 21 kills and 13 deaths as I was bringing hell upon the opposition that was gathering around B while they failed aimlessly trying to hack A in the Ashland map as I kept on picking at them (even their heavies and logis) one by one to keep them on their toes. It went on like this for literally 90% of the match until the end when suddenly we lost E and C. As a result we lost the match but not without putting up a damn good fight with my knives which probably explains why we were able to hold on for so long. I kept going at them bobbing and weaving 80% of their shots as I fillet their assaults and scouts. Even the heavies were starting to fear me. I guess I pissed them off because as soon as they saw me close to the end of the match, they all focused fire and completely surrounded me despite the fact that my friends were nearby. LOL
Then there was this other match which I believed to be Skim Junction with the communications outpost. When I got into the match, I realized I came in late and my team about about to get overrun inside the city. I decided to go into harassment mode and started causing all sorts of chaos between objectives A, B, and C since they were close together. A was the first I went to as I interrupted a hack being made by the enemy as I killed one dude but failed to killed the other next to him. By the time they resumed the hack it was too late as my team came in to finish the job. B proved to be quite the hotspot as I doing hit-n-run tactics with a combination of flanking moves to confuse the enemy. After clearing out B with the help of a random blueberry, I went to B to stop a shotgunner from hacking C and took out his spawn uplink which he foolishly left out in the open. I then proceeded to scout around the area surrounding the CRU by C and spotted two mercs trying to sneak in. One got taken out by a blueberry while the other got stabbed not sure what just happened. We won the match as a result. It's a good thing I came into the match just in time.
I was one of the heavies that had the "pleasure" of getting knifed lol. you completely threw me off, and i panicked and blind fired the first few times. im not used to dealing with ninjas. i started actively looking for you, to make sure i engaged you first and at a distance, because if you got too close, i couldnt turn fast enough to stop you. at least you added a little excitement to that match. |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.09 17:52:00 -
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Post #4 updated. |
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