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mollerz
Minja Scouts
533
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:03:00 -
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@Mak
I have to say, and this goes for any scout, it is critical that you drop everything and train your endurance mods up to complex level.
I can't believe you've done so well on a basic one. IT is not just that you get a huge incrase in stamina with complex vs enhanced, but you recover stamina twice as fast.
To be a scout, that is huge beyond compare and will result in far less death. for yourself. Not just useful for escaping, but hunting prey. You need to be able to outrun your opponent to have real tactical advantage. You can also begin to leap with abandon (kind of).
wow tho. 1100 on a swipe! And as a gallente no less! How is your NK proficiency? Are you rocking dam mods?
I run a complex sidearm dam mod myself.
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Sleepy Zan
Sleepytime Gorilla Mercenaries
2337
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Posted - 2013.07.01 21:06:00 -
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Still never seen these supposed knifing skills ingame. |
Spec Ops Cipher
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
98
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:56:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Spec Ops Cipher wrote:The damage bonus only comes into play when you upgrade proficiency or use minmitar suit, aur knives should have no effect on this, because that skill only decreases charge time. And maybe you should test these in corp battles, who knows, an errant sniper could have interfered with your experiment. Actually the damage bonus I'm talking about is not related to the proficiency or suit. It's a bonus of its own. The tests were conducted in isolated areas of the matches in three different matches to ensure consistency. PC battles would be inefficient for testing due to the resources required to start a PC battle just for a simple test. It was better to do it in the mercenary battles where we can choose separate sides. We did encounter one arrant merc messing with us, but thankfully he didn't skew the results.
Alright, I set up a corp battle to try this today, with a team of SI on the other side, as test subjects. The testing was extensive and I was using Proto Minnie scout and Proto knives.
Knives do 100% to shields and 100% to armour. Knives do 150% to the head A fully charged Proto knife does 600 damage per hit (+ your proficiency)
I also investigated the effectiveness of damping and passive scanning - WHICH DO NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT WHATSOEVER. I'll be submitting a bug report including details of my tests later this week, maybe even tomorrow. I've wasted 2mil sp on these skills at the minute.
We then played hide and seek, 'twas fun. |
Spec Ops Cipher
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
98
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:59:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Still never seen these supposed knifing skills ingame. If you're talking about me, ask 13ear, I'm EU |
BARDAS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:10:00 -
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+1 for the huge information dump. I will take some time to read it when I am able. Using SMG/Nova combo currently, though I only have 3.6 million SP and the majority of my weapon skills are dumped into SMGs. I only have up to ADV Novas currently. Feels like I'm just starting to hit my stride and getting more kills consistently.
I also seem to do better getting kills and staying in a positive K/D ratio in Ambush vs Skirmish though I do still have matches where I die frequently due to learning mistakes. May join D-Uni to attend your lecture later this month actually if you are still going to have it.
I think my next step is going to be snagging Nova to 5 and Biotics to 5 for the catalizers. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2976
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:24:00 -
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Spec Ops Cipher wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Spec Ops Cipher wrote:The damage bonus only comes into play when you upgrade proficiency or use minmitar suit, aur knives should have no effect on this, because that skill only decreases charge time. And maybe you should test these in corp battles, who knows, an errant sniper could have interfered with your experiment. Actually the damage bonus I'm talking about is not related to the proficiency or suit. It's a bonus of its own. The tests were conducted in isolated areas of the matches in three different matches to ensure consistency. PC battles would be inefficient for testing due to the resources required to start a PC battle just for a simple test. It was better to do it in the mercenary battles where we can choose separate sides. We did encounter one arrant merc messing with us, but thankfully he didn't skew the results. Alright, I set up a corp battle to try this today, with a team of SI on the other side, as test subjects. The testing was extensive and I was using Proto Minnie scout and Proto knives. Knives do 100% to shields and 100% to armour. Knives do 150% to the head A fully charged Proto knife does 600 damage per hit (+ your proficiency) I also investigated the effectiveness of damping and passive scanning - WHICH DO NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT WHATSOEVER. I'll be submitting a bug report including details of my tests later this week, maybe even tomorrow. I've wasted 2mil sp on these skills at the minute. We then played hide and seek, 'twas fun.
Hmm. That is interesting. I'll talk to my colleagues to see if we can review and conduct the experiment one more time to be sure. Thanks for the info. I'll let my directors know about this. |
Medic 1879
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
500
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:30:00 -
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Had a knifer coming at me while I was doing a bit of AV'ing I totally panicked and instead of switching to my SMG I hit melee with my SL out and did the cool left hook thing and got the guy. I was totally speechless and got a message from him just saying LOL. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3050
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:00:00 -
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Post #3 updated. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5625
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:25:00 -
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I approve of space ninjas |
Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 06:40:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:
---Update 5 July 2013---
Holy crap, I just got finished with a match where I ended on the top three of the roster with 21 kills and 13 deaths as I was bringing hell upon the opposition that was gathering around B while they failed aimlessly trying to hack A in the Ashland map as I kept on picking at them (even their heavies and logis) one by one to keep them on their toes. It went on like this for literally 90% of the match until the end when suddenly we lost E and C. As a result we lost the match but not without putting up a damn good fight with my knives which probably explains why we were able to hold on for so long. I kept going at them bobbing and weaving 80% of their shots as I fillet their assaults and scouts. Even the heavies were starting to fear me. I guess I pissed them off because as soon as they saw me close to the end of the match, they all focused fire and completely surrounded me despite the fact that my friends were nearby. LOL
Then there was this other match which I believed to be Skim Junction with the communications outpost. When I got into the match, I realized I came in late and my team about about to get overrun inside the city. I decided to go into harassment mode and started causing all sorts of chaos between objectives A, B, and C since they were close together. A was the first I went to as I interrupted a hack being made by the enemy as I killed one dude but failed to killed the other next to him. By the time they resumed the hack it was too late as my team came in to finish the job. B proved to be quite the hotspot as I doing hit-n-run tactics with a combination of flanking moves to confuse the enemy. After clearing out B with the help of a random blueberry, I went to B to stop a shotgunner from hacking C and took out his spawn uplink which he foolishly left out in the open. I then proceeded to scout around the area surrounding the CRU by C and spotted two mercs trying to sneak in. One got taken out by a blueberry while the other got stabbed not sure what just happened. We won the match as a result. It's a good thing I came into the match just in time.
I was one of the heavies that had the "pleasure" of getting knifed lol. you completely threw me off, and i panicked and blind fired the first few times. im not used to dealing with ninjas. i started actively looking for you, to make sure i engaged you first and at a distance, because if you got too close, i couldnt turn fast enough to stop you. at least you added a little excitement to that match. |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3169
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Posted - 2013.07.09 17:52:00 -
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Post #4 updated. |
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