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zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.06.22 07:35:00 -
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I think if there were more concurrent users then everyone would be saying the games going great. Those numbers are the measure of success. But the fat lady hasn't sung when it comes to numbers yet. Hopefully they have the leeway to let the game develop and hopefully the player base will grow along with the game. Releasing the game as it is and calling it ready for release is mystifying and feels kinda fail, like they didn't have perspective. But the Sony people should have been there for that. Maybe Sony didn't care. It will be a shame if it doesn't work out because there is SO much potential. I believe it can still be realized. They just have to do their best and hope that enough people respond. |
Davey Newcome
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 23:59:00 -
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Cant tell if the op is serious or sarcastic. |
LEOn Mendez
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.23 04:09:00 -
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Nanite injectors are broke, so you cant inject anything into anything. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.23 04:13:00 -
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+1
I was gonna post the same thing. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.23 04:18:00 -
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So why are the ones saying it's hopeless are still on the forums saying its hopeless? I don't know one FPS game that has the aiming and hit detection down to perfection. Before I left, people anticipated Uprising. Since my return, all I see is complaints about it. And it seems that most complaints are nothing more than concessions to complaints by others who didn't know what they were talking about in the first place. So what are shooters are you going to that offer something better than Dust really? Much as Dust still needs some work, it still offers something (at least from my perspective) that I can't find on a console. Some of you guys are PC players but I am not. |
Greg FREESEr
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.23 06:21:00 -
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Hope is better than faith I guess |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.23 11:03:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:So why are the ones saying it's hopeless are still on the forums saying its hopeless?
Because we are trying to save it's by pinpointing the problems and offer solutions.
Michael Arck wrote:I don't know one FPS game that has the aiming and hit detection down to perfection.
You don't know but I do. There are many examples. Quake Live is a good example of "FPS mechanics perfection".
Michael Arck wrote:Before I left, people anticipated Uprising. Since my return, all I see is complaints about it. And it seems that most complaints are nothing more than concessions to complaints by others who didn't know what they were talking about in the first place.
The reason you see lots of complaints is that there is a lot of things broken / unfinished / not up to basic expectations in Uprising. If you don't understand the reasons of "multiple people complaining about the same thing", perhaps you are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about. Hint, maybe the reason is "this game is played by more than one person"?
Michael Arck wrote:So what are the shooters are you going to play that offer something better than Dust really?
Please see upcoming PS4/XB1 titles. Games that are enjoyable (hint: yes, games can be enjoyable) will naturally draw people away.
Michael Arck wrote:Much as Dust still needs some work, it still offers something (at least from my perspective) that I can't find on a console.
Many people live an easy life of having "something is better than nothing". Some people live their lives by fighting hard to get something better. If you are happy with what you have, fine, but it doesn't mean other people cannot have higher standards.
Judging by their recent behavior, I bet CCP has some warranty we don't know about. They are probably working on a Carbon Engine Dust 514 for PS4, or something like that. There is no other way. |
PLANETSIDETwo OnPS4
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.23 18:56:00 -
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Great rebutals. Precise and accurate |
Seri Vulk
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.23 21:08:00 -
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I dont think dust needs hope. Maybe more people to dec with. Maybe shanghai needs to communicate more.
Hope is not what is needed. |
KellyJann
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.23 22:09:00 -
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+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+öGreat points of contention. Great read. |
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ALAINAgg
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.24 00:44:00 -
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I think dust needs Action not hope. The issue is there to many people hoping not enough doing. |
DoomLead
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.06.24 00:59:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=89187&find=unread
sign my petition |
PlanetsideTwoBomber
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.24 02:13:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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Atikali Havendoorr
HERBGROWERS
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:18:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:
Banning Hammer: They can't get it right in the PS3, what makes you think that they will get it right in a NEW platform ?
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3
1. PS4 is an x86 platform which makes it easier to work with.
2. PS3 uses Unreal Engine 3 which could be the reason of so many lags and performance issues. If Dust is rebuilt with a new engine native to PS4 (which is easier since it's x86) then we could see many problems solved.
Banning Hammer: Maybe, but i think the problem is that CCP have 10 years of experience with Computers, they haven't work with any other platforms until now. The PS4 will be exactly the same story, but with ALOT more competition.
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3: The thing is x86 is what PC uses so CCP can do their "computer game" thing.
Banning Hammer: Yes, but how that will help with game mechanics ? Lets be honest, part of the problem is also CCP's lag of experience with FPS games, i believe you mentioned this in another thread.
Yes, this is the point of this thread. I don't know how CCP can dig out of this hole.
Don't snap it on the x86. Banning Hammer is on the trail. The CPU instruction set architecture is not a major point. Hardly even a minor. There are compilers that handles that stuff.
But your overall point is valid, that the PS4 is way easier to work with and program to, and have a lot more space for things in all directions.
What matters though is overall system hardware architecture. Putting the POWER-ISA aside, the Cell is still a very different and difficult processor. However, as I have said before, despite PS4 using standard PC components, it is not put together in a standard PC way. You have to work a little different, but it is in no way crippled like the PS3, and on several details overcomes obstacles which makes it very powerful.
I have read shitloads of tech articles on the matter, and have discussed hardware architecture with computer scientists both on forums and IRL, and is a well informed hardware enthusiast since a decade.
I would provide you with links to back up all my techy bragy mumbojumbo, if only I could find the, at this late hour. But I can't.
The PS4 is not the magic solution to everything, unfortunately. CCP have cornered themselves. They have invested so much time and money on the PS3 now, so they don't wanna have it be in vain. I don't think they're in for the PS4 for a while. If they changed now, it would take 2 years before any progress would be made.
And for the matter of Dust, the PS4 is not a problem untill a year. The problem is, CCP should have a full worthy release before the next gen, for a game like this to be able to establish, not after.
They have wasted so much time this generation, and it is running out now. By the time Dust will be good, the PS3 will fade away, and there's a high risk everything was in vain.
zzZaXxx wrote: Releasing the game as it is and calling it ready for release is mystifying and feels kinda fail, like they didn't have perspective. But the Sony people should have been there for that. Maybe Sony didn't care. It will be a shame if it doesn't work out because there is SO much potential. I believe it can still be realized. They just have to do their best and hope that enough people respond. You know how we have joked about Dust on PS3 is just the beta for the PS4? I'm actually starting to believe that Dust is the Free to play-beta/tryout for Sony, to see how that concept works out on a console, and then move on to do something themselves... like Planetside 2. Sony don't give a **** about Dust anymore.
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote:You don't know but I do. There are many examples. Quake Live is a good example of "FPS mechanics perfection".... Judging by their recent behavior, I bet CCP has some warranty we don't know about. They are probably working on a Carbon Engine Dust 514 for PS4, or something like that. There is no other way. Holy ****! A never thought I would see Quake 3 like that in 2013 (okay, uploaded 2012, but still) when i bought that game in '99. Yup. I derive from the Quake-age.
Man, the gaming industry and culture sure have evolved. Real contests, real spectators, real commentators. Not just a nerdy gimmick or wannabe-thing.
I wouldn't be so sure about Carbon on PS4 now. But that's probably their best bet seeing how things have gone with Unreal engine 3 and Playstation 3. |
Lucrezia LeGrand
Verboten Industries
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:46:00 -
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There are a few things I agree with the OP but I've never had a problem with aiming so I'm hoping someone here can enlighten me why everyone complains. I don't play many fps (none actually) but when I point at something (L1) and pull the trigger (R1) I spray it with bullets and she/he dies (or I die first). So how are the shooting mechanics broken? If you're talking about shooting from the hip, then ok, I understand, that kind of sucks. But I don't know anybody in real life who can shoot from the hip and nail something accurately. |
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