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Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 329	Posted - 2013.06.21 01:32:00 - [1] - Quote People are acting as if their entitled to a respec..... Lol, CCP is giving us a respec (seemingly through manual labor via direct name input which is very tedious) simply because a few people moaned about how they got cheated by the whole "I got a respec but because their releasing three guns in a week blah blah blah....." CCP doesn't have to do this for us. And because of all the annoying crying people do about it they aren't likely to do it again. I still haven't got my respec. I have been waiting as long as you people for it. Weather it comes tomorrow or not doesn't matter to me because I know that EVENTUALLY I will get it. So my finale message to you people is..... take this time to side spec into something you might think is interesting. That way you will have a better idea of what you want to spec into once you do actually..... get respecced. And hopefully that will encourage you to all stop whining about it. That is all.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 329	Posted - 2013.06.21 01:35:00 - [2] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Yes, how dare customers expect service from a company, the sheer audacity of it is mind blowing They service us plenty by providing us FREE MONTHLY UPDATES TO A FREE TO PLAY GAME. Nowheres does it say "CCP is obligated to give us a respec because we didn't have the patience to wait one week or because we messed up after the first one" and as for you. know your place pion.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 329	Posted - 2013.06.21 01:38:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I find being locked into a single playstyle with literally no meaning behind that choice to be the most boring aspect of this game, hands down. I just don't play. I don't see the point. Forums are still amusing, and I'll troll around in pubs from time to time. That's about it. Not entitled, I just don't care anymore. Rather then feeling locked down why don't you play and side spec into something, thus opening up more avenues for you to play down? I mean.... did you feel locked down in militia/STD gear when you had zero SP??? Maybe..... But you didn't say "**** it ill go play another game" you said "ok ill work hard for the next week or two to unlock the stuff I want to play with"..... so why cant you do that again??? ive been doing since last July and I cant say im as uncaring as you seem to be right now.....
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 330	Posted - 2013.06.21 01:43:00 - [4] - Quote Vallud Eadesso wrote: Marston VC wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Yes, how dare customers expect service from a company, the sheer audacity of it is mind blowing They service us plenty by providing us FREE MONTHLY UPDATES TO A FREE TO PLAY GAME. Nowheres does it say "CCP is obligated to give us a respec because we didn't have the patience to wait one week or because we messed up after the first one" and as for you. know your place pion. Most developers would simply call that a patch but I do sort of agree and disagree. I filed for my respect a month ago and still don't have it. Yeah I've been annoyed by it and asked why it's not happened yet but I don't think that makes me 'entitled' does it? I mean, I have sank a fair amount of cash into the game with merc packs and boosters and the like, so on some level I do sort of expect stuff to happen in a reasonable time frame. Though I did do exactly what you said and went down heavys and HMGs and found it a blast. Even with STD suits I found my KD rocketing. Not sure what all the heavies complain about (I jest, don't maim me.) Do you get pissed at Rockstar for not releasing there next game every month as opposed to the yearly/ semi-yearly cycle they have?? Do you get pissed at COD or BF3 for having 2-4 month DLC releases? If you don't then I don't see why you should be upset at a company that on top of giving us free content updates on a MONTHLY bases, gave the players an option to respec their characters not once but TWICE. To my knowledge that has never been done on EVE and they actually pay a subscription for all of the stuff they have.... so as far as im concerned we should be greatful more then anything. Not entitled (which weather you feel entitled or not, is definitely the tone many people portray on the forums).
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 335	Posted - 2013.06.21 01:48:00 - [5] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Marston VC wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Yes, how dare customers expect service from a company, the sheer audacity of it is mind blowing They service us plenty by providing us FREE MONTHLY UPDATES TO A FREE TO PLAY GAME. Nowheres does it say "CCP is obligated to give us a respec because we didn't have the patience to wait one week or because we messed up after the first one" and as for you. know your place pion. You dont read the announcements do you because that is essentially exactly what they said Also its spelled "peon" get it right when you do your whole pedantic dickhead thing or it makes you look even more idiotic than you present yourself Im still looking for this whole obligation they have for us..... Did they say we would get respec's yesterday?? Yeah they did, but that's completely separate from the "entitlement" object I posted above. And as far as your concerned, a pion is a pion to me. You will remain a pion, and im sorry if you dislike the fact that your even less then a "peon" or whatever you wrote. Lol I wonder if your one of those people that harp on internet users in regards to their use of the words "than, and then". Based off your post it wouldn't surprise me much.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 335	Posted - 2013.06.21 01:52:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Marston VC wrote: Rather then feeling locked down why don't you play and side spec into something, thus opening up more avenues for you to play down? I mean.... did you feel locked down in militia/STD gear when you had zero SP??? Maybe..... But you didn't say "** it ill go play another game" you said "ok ill work hard for the next week or two to unlock the stuff I want to play with"..... so why cant you do that again??? ive been doing since last July and I cant say im as uncaring as you seem to be right now..... If I started this game today, I actually would say it and just go play something else. I stuck it out because I'm a closed Beta vet. Why would I side spec? I can't afford boosters, I have to be stingy as ** with every SP I get unless I want to not be competitive. Of course you can kill proto's in militia gear. Try that against a full squad of communicating proto's There's a reason that serious corps won't allow you in PC without a fully fleshed out and focused build. Game is boring. Period. There is virtually no persistence or meaning, specifically to the individual. We have to grasp at "metagame" in order to justify to ourselves that our decisions have any meaning outside of directly effecting how much we like or hate this game Wow.... I think ill bend to you on that topic. Lol, what you said makes sense and I doubt I can argue against it on the same level as you. Never the less I will continue to play every day like I have been (though admittedly its been getting less and less). Hopefully my endurance will show through the amount of ISK and SP I have compared to whenever you decided to come back. As for boosters..... well it sucks but I guess that's how it is. All I can say is that if its anything like eve, eventually you should be able to purchase AUR or Boosters using ISK. That time just isn't now I guess......
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 335	Posted - 2013.06.21 01:57:00 - [7] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Marston VC wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Marston VC wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Yes, how dare customers expect service from a company, the sheer audacity of it is mind blowing They service us plenty by providing us FREE MONTHLY UPDATES TO A FREE TO PLAY GAME. Nowheres does it say "CCP is obligated to give us a respec because we didn't have the patience to wait one week or because we messed up after the first one" and as for you. know your place pion. You dont read the announcements do you because that is essentially exactly what they said Also its spelled "peon" get it right when you do your whole pedantic dickhead thing or it makes you look even more idiotic than you present yourself Im still looking for this whole obligation they have for us..... Did they say we would get respec's yesterday?? Yeah they did, but that's completely separate from the "entitlement" object I posted above. And as far as your concerned, a pion is a pion to me. You will remain a pion, and im sorry if you dislike the fact that your even less then a "peon" or whatever you wrote. Lol I wonder if your one of those people that harp on internet users in regards to their use of the words "than, and then". Based off your post it wouldn't surprise me much. I would tell you not to breed so you wont dilute the species gene pool but I get the feeling no woman would want to be with you willingly without money being involved LOLOLOL LOOK WHO JUST TOOK THE INTERNET CHAMPIONSHIP FOR BEING AN ARROGANT PRICK. Try to put me down all you want because at the end of the day I know it doesn't mean sh*t to me. Not that you care, apparently your one of the internet elitist who thinks he/she "knows it all" LOL. FINE. live in your self erected castle of superiority, im not going to spend anymore time trying to tear it down as apparently the walls are too thick to do so. But henceforth I would like you to start writing about the topic at hand if you choose to respond at all after this. Your choice pion.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 335	Posted - 2013.06.21 01:59:00 - [8] - Quote PsychoLogiKal PsyDrei wrote: I got my re-spec so it doesn't affect me but ANYONE who invested SP into the Vehicle Tree DESERVED a re-spec because of MISLABELED skills. Explain how a skill saying that it specifically does one thing in the description and then does something totally different is absolutely useless as far as a tanker is concerned and CCP saying ohhhh our bad the skill is working as intended we just messed up the description of the skill that has since before chrome did exactly as was stating in the messed up description but we are just going to change the description. Explain how those that invested in that skill don't deserve a re-spec? didn't know about that. Not that it matters to me, BUT I doubt all the people crying on the forums are tankers who got cheated by a mislabels..... just saying. Though it is unfortunate that did happen to some people of course.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 335	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:04:00 - [9] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Cosgar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Yes, how dare customers expect service from a company, the sheer audacity of it is mind blowing Yes, how dare them promise to compensate us for their mistakes in designing the skill tree. We should all just accept investing your SP into skills that don't do as advertised or are bugged. Adapt or die! What mistakes? I never asked for a respec because the skill tree was flawlessly easy to use, and I got exactly what I wanted. The logi suit, vehicle engineering, secondary weaponry skills that are pointless like fitting optimization for flaylock pistols and several skills that reduce CPU/PG cost not working either. There's more, but you get the idea. where was it said that the optimization skills don't work?? And how could you view them as pointless? Those skills are incredibly handy if you have specific fits in mind (like I do). so yeah please explain.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 335	Posted - 2013.06.21 02:22:00 - [10] - Quote Quote: Cosgar wrote: [quote=Marston VC] where was it said that the optimization skills don't work?? And how could you view them as pointless? Those skills are incredibly handy if you have specific fits in mind (like I do). so yeah please explain. It's not that they don't work, but they're not weapon specific. Look at how little you get compared to how much SP these skills cost. [quote=Zeylon Rho] Yup, that's about how it is man. You pay a premium in SP to get a slight advantage over those who don't do that. The rapid reload skill might need a buff, but other then that the upgrades seemed sound to me. I mean..... 3-5 PG is a huge deal when you consider most proto suits don't have more then 70 PG...... I mean lol, anything to keep me from putting on a PG upgrade cuz those feel like the biggest waste of module space ever. The capacity skill in general gives the player 1 extra clip to spawn with if its maxed out. That's fine to me I mean, its one less clip ill need to pull out of my nanohives and hey! maybe, depending on the weapon, I might not even need a nanohive after I get that extra clip. The reload speed is a little lack luster, but its still there. It is an advantage weather you want to admit it or not (albeit a slim advantage) But none of it really matters when you consider its all optional anyway. None of those skills will prevent you from using the weapon if you don't have them, there just there to improve the weapons performance IF you willing to pay the price. That's all there is to it really.

Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 338	Posted - 2013.06.21 04:41:00 - [11] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Marston VC wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Yes, how dare customers expect service from a company, the sheer audacity of it is mind blowing They service us plenty by providing us FREE MONTHLY UPDATES TO A FREE TO PLAY GAME. Nowheres does it say "CCP is obligated to give us a respec because we didn't have the patience to wait one week or because we messed up after the first one" and as for you. know your place pion. Lol. Cool going. Calling ppl offensive names and hoping that ppl would take you seriously. The game may be free to play to you but a good number of players actually paid money. IN BETA nontheless. And all that to support CCP not because there was a product worth buying. When CCP offered a 'release - ready' game and ppl specked into things that a) did not work and b) did not correspond to the description of skills that they got - yes they deserved a respec because what they thought they were specking into was not what they got for it. Of note, I did not use or request a respec but I 100% understand when ppl asked for it in the first place. Now, of course, ppl just plain abuse it - one respec is enough. you clearly didn't read the follow up posts to this. Nor did you take the content of this one in. I called him a pion because he wrote in a condescending way, which was completely un-justified. If hes going to give me sarcasm im going to give him sass back. Simple as that. Secondly...... That is just simply not the case for a majority of players who filed for a respec. There are those who got cheated out of SP because of a mislabeling problem. and yes they do deserve a respec (of atleast that skill), But that's not the type of people im talking about. Im talking about those who just want it because they put it all in things that didn't turn out to be what they wanted it to be. The people who weren't cautious that got what they deserved but are taking the opportunity CCP gave us and turning it into something they feel that they too should deserve but in reality don't.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 338	Posted - 2013.06.21 04:46:00 - [12] - Quote Fredrikson Revel wrote: Marston VC wrote: People are acting as if their entitled to a respec..... Lol, CCP is giving us a respec (seemingly through manual labor via direct name input which is very tedious) simply because a few people moaned about how they got cheated by the whole "I got a respec but because their releasing three guns in a week blah blah blah....." CCP doesn't have to do this for us. And because of all the annoying crying people do about it they aren't likely to do it again. I still haven't got my respec. I have been waiting as long as you people for it. Weather it comes tomorrow or not doesn't matter to me because I know that EVENTUALLY I will get it. So my finale message to you people is..... take this time to side spec into something you might think is interesting. That way you will have a better idea of what you want to spec into once you do actually..... get respecced. And hopefully that will encourage you to all stop whining about it. That is all. Many games offer respecs, mag, borderlands for example. People are used to respec with sp or xp. So respec requests shouldnt be a surprise. Lol, this game is based on EVE. And I can say with conviction that a respec option will never be available for that game. So it is incredibly surprising that they offered it twice already in DUST. Granted that is the norm for other games that are similar, and I do think there should be a 1 time optional respec given to everyone. But that's neither here nor there.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 338	Posted - 2013.06.21 04:52:00 - [13] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Marston VC wrote: Back peddling Yeah, I'm glad you see my point. An SP sink is an SP sink, no matter how you look at it. I didn't back peddle at all........ I literally told you that, that's just how it is. Is it an SP sink?? maybe, but so is EVERY OTHER skill so I don't see the problem. Pay a premium in SP to obtain a slim advantage. That advantage can make the difference in a high level engagement where the players skills are probably close to even. Does it suck to max out each skill?? Sure, but having them maxed out makes your Use of each weapon just that much more efficient. Lol how you got "back peddling" out of that earlier response is beyond me....
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 338	Posted - 2013.06.21 04:58:00 - [14] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Poplo Furuya wrote: SP cost versus effectiveness is insanely meager in almost all cases. Most glaring example is Flaylock Pistol Fitting Optimisation. To bring it up to V is what, 1.2mil SP? Grants a 25% reduction in PG. PRO Core Flaylock needs 2 PG to fit. Rounded with the reduction from Fitting V it becomes... 2 PG. That's over a million SP for a return of nothing at all. Clearly a lot of thought and careful tailoring has gone into the secondary weapon skills. Just to put things into perspective, you can get into a tank faster than you can cap your reload speed. Your acting like getting into a tank is a big deal..... Militia tanks? would be the obvious answer. But I mean, sure you could get into a tank for that much SP, but the real question is..... how effective would that tank actually be?? But the guy did bring up a valid point. There is some tweaking that needs to be done. But on the whole the secondary skills CAN be useful. I guess it depends on the weapon though. Not that any of this matters anyway because its only barely relevant to the original post, and if you really did dump 1 million SP into any skill like that, without doing the math and realizing it wouldn't make a difference to begin with..... Well..... lol tough man. That's how this system works, and you shouldn't feel entitled to a respec because you refused to do your research first.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 338	Posted - 2013.06.21 05:35:00 - [15] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Yes, how dare customers expect service from a company, the sheer audacity of it is mind blowing I Agree good sir i paid a LUDICROUS amount of money for this game IM BASICALLY BROKE NOW AND I STILL HAVE NOT GOTTEN MY FREE RESPECT AFTER I WASTED MY SP ON SKILLS I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THEY DID EVEN AFTER ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE FORUMS WARNED ME AND YOUTUBE VIDEOS AND COMMON SENSE ~ The sarcasm is ripe with this one..... lol common sense is something that I find lacking with a lot of people both in and out of this game.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 345	Posted - 2013.06.22 03:43:00 - [16] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Yes, how dare customers expect service from a company, the sheer audacity of it is mind blowing I Agree good sir i paid a LUDICROUS amount of money for this game IM BASICALLY BROKE NOW AND I STILL HAVE NOT GOTTEN MY FREE RESPECT AFTER I WASTED MY SP ON SKILLS I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THEY DID EVEN AFTER ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE FORUMS WARNED ME AND YOUTUBE VIDEOS AND COMMON SENSE ~ lol, I read your other thread. Your just playing mind games with everyone