DUST Search - CEOPyrex makes a great constructive video.

CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:

Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

Thing is. Some people in here been very supportive for over a year. Dont make the mistake to think that everyone hear is pissed off an acts like a little kid after playing the game for a month. Like always, there's kind of a burnout among the community. No matter what people say, it has been very much supportive of CCP's work. Done major stuff to provide the game some audience in closed beta. Podcasts, websites, reddits, feedback, etc...

This burnout is for CCP to fix. When this community gets the sign it needs, it will come back highly motivated.

Point being, it's a bit easy to say players should do better. When in fact, they're customers.

As a CPM you should know better than most that CCP has limited resources and capability to control a mass of players (customers as you rightly say)

It is up to us as consumers to provide logical, constructive feedback that aids the development of the game, if we wish to have better products. If it is all a cacophony of noise and rage, that serves no one.

I cite the Goonswarm provision of the Titan Overhaul document that was produced for CCP to critique and review how Titans were broken and in need of alteration. This was a logical, non troll filled paper that clearly and concisely laid out the issues and was received well by CCP who went on to make a number of the changes.

I would also suggest that as CPM it surely is in your remit to better govern the community than you have been doing so far - sure you cant un-troll the trolls but all i see at the moment is CPM mandates fueling perceived self interests (PC - Cal Logi) and a collective shuffling of feet when difficult questions are asked.

Your position of CPM gives you the communities ear but not their respect, that has to be earned.....

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Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 407	Posted - 2013.06.18 13:24:00 - [61] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Dont get me to wrong, I do like having another free game out there and hope they manage to polish this up or at least get on the right track with the next update but Im not going to pretend CCP are these great pioneers of gaming Maybe, and I emphasize maybe, when EVE was released that idea held more weight but even then they werent the first sandbox game with open PVP and a wide variety of skills they were just the first ones to do it in space and even then the skill system wasnt as all encompassing as some other MMORPG games before it I was simply trying to give CCP some much deserved praise amidst all of the bashing of their work. I know when my work gets bashed -even rightfully so- without any praise for the good work I have accomplished, it makes me simply not want to work any longer. I believe the sentiment among players, and one that CCP themselves have encouraged the players to have, is to harden the **** up I mean Im sure each and everyone one of us posting here has had someone ignore or gloss over the good things we have done while focusing on the negatives somewhere in our personal, scholastic, or professional lives Being able to deal with that, not let it discourage you, and move past it is something worth respecting and shows a strength of character Letting it completely shut you down though get the opposite reaction and causes people to lose faith in you which we see happening in the forums already Ive said this around before and directly to some of the CCP employees that dropping the placations and promises of things to come "soon" and making an announcement saying they know this that and the other is screwed up and they plan to fix it in X Y Z order would immediately earn them good will and turn around a lot of the negativity on the boards Sadly the reply I got from the CCP employees was "Yeah I agree, we are going to do that soon"
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 407	Posted - 2013.06.18 13:25:00 - [62] - Quote Weird double post BS, please delete
silid 514 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2013.06.18 13:26:00 - [63] - Quote Thank for this great video! I'm really with you on all your points! +1
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 177	Posted - 2013.06.18 13:27:00 - [64] - Quote While I will agree with many of the points made in the vid, well except for the economy on the SWOT table as I can not see any economy in Dust at all. You buy from the NPC and well that is it. Now Eve does have a pretty complex economy but we are not linked to it in any way. Back to the issue at hand. Yes the PS2 posts and the game is dying threads are annoying when nothing constructive is added but there were a lot of constructive posts made over the weekend and the opposing force treated both groups equally by saying GTFO, ban them, and your not helping the game by being negative. Such actions on both sides will not result in a balanced and reasonable response. Yes this game has a lot of "unrealised" potential to it but too much of it has remained unrealised. Asking people to wait as things will change in time is all well and good if customers have a better understanding of the actual time frame and what they can expect and in what order. I am not talking about specific deadlines and detailed roadmaps but a general idea of what is being prioritised would be helpful. But how often can you ask people to be patient, even with detailed roadmaps, before they give up and go somewhere else, particularly in the console market. We all see the potential in the game but it is starting to reach the point where a number of customers want to start to see some of that potential turned into actual gameplay. Unrealised potential has no value, potential has value when it comes to ideas and dreams but a tangible realised product gives you the long term profit. Not the greatest example but look at the dot com bubble. Their was plenty of potential there until people started asking where the return on their investment was coming from and when. I continue to support the game and I do hope it succeeds but there are a number of important, in my opinion, issues that need to be resolved if CCP wants Dust 514 to be a significant player in the console FPS market rather than a 2-3k player base niche expansion to Eve Online. Some of the issues I have outlined in other threads are as follows: 1. FPS and basic gameplay mechanics need to be improved e.g. movement, strafe and basic gunplay. 2. Issues between the various control devices need to be resolved e.g. Eliminate all control devices until you only have the DS3 or improve KB&M so they function as they should but massively improve autoaim to ensure that KB&M has no advantage over the other 2 controllers. At the moment it feels like CCP chose to balance the various control schemes by making them all bad. Having access to other control types is good but it should be about famialrity and preference and not about advantage. Make the controllers equally good and not equally bad. 3. During this period of massive balancing changes to gear you should be able to Respec your character as it improves enjoyment of the game and helps retain the current player base. Finally I have noticed among those who most strongly defend the game that a few use the argument that this is an official release when arguing against things like Respecs in one thread and then in another thread saying you should accept balancing issues and not having all the basic racial gear available because this is really a beta even if it has been released. However, it would be nice to see the constructive threads highlighted rather than drowned out by the hate threads and the I hate the hate threads counter arguments. Not to worry these threads will dies down for a while until we reach the next tipping point in July.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2013.06.18 13:31:00 - [65] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Thing is. Some people in here been very supportive for over a year. Dont make the mistake to think that everyone hear is pissed off an acts like a little kid after playing the game for a month. Like always, there's kind of a burnout among the community. No matter what people say, it has been very much supportive of CCP's work. Done major stuff to provide the game some audience in closed beta. Podcasts, websites, reddits, feedback, etc... This burnout is for CCP to fix. When this community gets the sign it needs, it will come back highly motivated. Point being, it's a bit easy to say players should do better. When in fact, they're customers. As a CPM you should know better than most that CCP has limited resources and capability to control a mass of players (customers as you rightly say) It is up to us as consumers to provide logical, constructive feedback that aids the development of the game, if we wish to have better products. If it is all a cacophony of noise and rage, that serves no one. I cite the Goonswarm provision of the Titan Overhaul document that was produced for CCP to critique and review how Titans were broken and in need of alteration. This was a logical, non troll filled paper that clearly and concisely laid out the issues and was received well by CCP who went on to make a number of the changes. I would also suggest that as CPM it surely is in your remit to better govern the community than you have been doing so far - sure you cant un-troll the trolls but all i see at the moment is CPM mandates fueling perceived self interests (PC - Cal Logi) and a collective shuffling of feet when difficult questions are asked. Your position of CPM gives you the communities ear but not their respect, that has to be earned..... CCP Shanghai and CCP Iceland are too different animals. As an EVE player, I have respect and faith in CCP Iceland, despite their limited resources. They earned that respect after losing much of it in 2011. Their focus on ship balancing and increased communication went a long way towards redeeming their image as a company. Hilmar practically prostrated himself during the 2012 Fanfest and apologized for losing focus while promising to improve EVE and place the customer, rather than the micro-transaction team, as top priority. Unfortunately, CCP Shanghai is intent on acting like pre-2012 CCP. Either the Shanghai team wasn't invited to Fanfest or they were out to lunch during the main presentation. The communication is minimal to non-existent and I suspect this is a language issue. This is where CCP Mintchip is supposed to fill in but she can only tell the community what she herself has been told. While some improvements were made in Uprising, many glaring problems began to pop up or become worse as well. Problems are going to occur for every iteration of Dust I'm sure, but many of these issues were brought up prior to Dust launching. Some issues were made worse for no logical reason, Murder Taxi for example. The decision to launch on May 14th, solely for marketing purposes, seems to be the biggest slap in the face. The game was, and remains, in no way ready for launch. The decision to go ahead with the launch, despite the glaring problems, smacks of marketing department BS. Protip CCP: If you want your customer base to lose all faith in your company, let the marketing department and bean counters run the show. Add to this the mind numbing SP grind, solely to sell boosters, and Shanghai is well on its way to Incarna. Since we don't have statues to shoot at, CCP has only a dropping player count and a forum revolt to gauge their customer's dissatisfaction. The important thing is this can all be fixed, but it's going to take a little effort and a lot of pride swallowing.
Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 432	Posted - 2013.06.18 13:32:00 - [66] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Finally I have noticed among those who most strongly defend the game that a few use the argument that this is an official release when arguing against things like Respecs in one thread and then in another thread saying you should accept balancing issues and not having all the basic racial gear available because this is really a beta even if it has been released. THIS. THIS. THIS. printing it and framing it and putting it on the wall
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 262	Posted - 2013.06.18 13:40:00 - [67] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: I believe the sentiment among players, and one that CCP themselves have encouraged the players to have, is to harden the **** up I mean Im sure each and everyone one of us posting here has had someone ignore or gloss over the good things we have done while focusing on the negatives somewhere in our personal, scholastic, or professional lives Being able to deal with that, not let it discourage you, and move past it is something worth respecting and shows a strength of character Letting it completely shut you down though get the opposite reaction and causes people to lose faith in you which we see happening in the forums already Ive said this around before and directly to some of the CCP employees that dropping the placations and promises of things to come "soon" and making an announcement saying they know this that and the other is screwed up and they plan to fix it in X Y Z order would immediately earn them good will and turn around a lot of the negativity on the boards Sadly the reply I got from the CCP employees was "Yeah I agree, we are going to do that soon" I do agree with what you are saying, but at the same time I feel that if the community could collectively put our best foot forward, and let CCP know that we stand behind them, and provide them with a little positive reinforcement, we would sooner find the answers we seek and see the progress we have been looking forward to. TL;DR If CCP needs to HTFU then the community needs to HTFU even more so.


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