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Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:12:00 -
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Until EvE ships plummet from the sky and every match fought at every level in Dust 514 somehow matters in the grand scheme of things, its a B-shooter with some ok fun.
For now, we are facing an AUR-based, pay-to-win (hate me all you want), disconnected buggy shooter with only the mildest of nodding acquaintance with EvE. That is the dead opposite of the ads and breathless fan-base love-cries.
Relying on the community is nice, and I understand where it's "forgive and forget, wait and see, chin up old boy", but still, this thing is just not there. If you have a party with chips and soda and a card game or a board game, and the people really like each other, then if the game is stupid, the guests are just going to talk and eat chips, not play the lousy game on the table. If they don't like each other, the lousy game will not keep them in the same room long.
And finally, I certainly hope that the great enticement for me to stick with this game isn't just some cheap tank-stacking trick or the ability to ruin someone's day in the meta-game by deceit and the selling out of loyalty. We're already shooting each other, can't we build something at the end of the day? |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
660
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:16:00 -
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Raizor Feddie wrote: You're a CCP-Sucking fanboy...Nobody takes you seriously.
I can readily admit to any flaw in the game you care to describe. Being a fanboy would tend to make me unable to see or agree to problems, right?
What I do take some issue with is cryhard and trollhard elitist closed beta players who think the game is for them and must reflect whatever they think it should be. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
661
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:19:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:So name calling and bashing on people who dont find it fun is ok? Just want to be clear.
If you don't find it fun I'd imagine you might want to go and find something fun to do... though I suspect trolling here in the forums has filled that role for you.
I have nothing against general trolling, arguing, and routine bashing in the forums. However, there are some lines that I bark about when crossed. I don't know if you spotted it quick enough but I actually had to "white knight" for you not too long ago.
Of course, senator troll, you are not shy about bashing people who disagree with your own point of view... so I don't think you have much ground to stand on. |
SENATOR KODOS
Absentee AFK Regiment
163
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:26:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote:So name calling and bashing on people who dont find it fun is ok? Just want to be clear. If you don't find it fun I'd imagine you might want to go and find something fun to do... though I suspect trolling here in the forums has filled that role for you. I have nothing against general trolling, arguing, and routine bashing in the forums. However, there are some lines that I bark about when crossed. I don't know if you spotted it quick enough but I actually had to "white knight" for you not too long ago. Of course, senator troll, you are not shy about bashing people who disagree with your own point of view... so I don't think you have much ground to stand on.
So you think I want this game to fail and thats why im here? You dont think I am annpyed this game is so poorly executed and voicing my opinion on the matter makes me a troll? So you are a fanboy then? A troll is someone who purposely says things they might not believe in just to make others angry. I believe everything I say and stand by it. So..? |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
661
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:36:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:So you think I want this game to fail and thats why im here? You dont think I am annpyed this game is so poorly executed and voicing my opinion on the matter makes me a troll? So you are a fanboy then? A troll is someone who purposely says things they might not believe in just to make others angry. I believe everything I say and stand by it. So..?
As I said a few posts up... just about any flaw you care to actually describe I can readily admit.
There are a lot of ways to troll, it's not just about saying things you don't believe, but I'll agree the idea is to drive a reaction.
However, there is no need to take actions that are likely to drive away new players. I am not saying you have done so but that is something I think is counter productive and have recently railed against.
Perhaps you should allow that other folks are also voicing opinions they stand behind? |
SENATOR KODOS
Absentee AFK Regiment
164
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:52:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote:So you think I want this game to fail and thats why im here? You dont think I am annpyed this game is so poorly executed and voicing my opinion on the matter makes me a troll? So you are a fanboy then? A troll is someone who purposely says things they might not believe in just to make others angry. I believe everything I say and stand by it. So..? As I said a few posts up... just about any flaw you care to actually describe I can readily admit. There are a lot of ways to troll, it's not just about saying things you don't believe, but I'll agree the idea is to drive a reaction. However, there is no need to take actions that are likely to drive away new players. I am not saying you have done so but that is something I think is counter productive and have recently railed against. Perhaps you should allow that other folks are also voicing opinions they stand behind?
I agree with your post and I have never tried to stop someone from their opinion.
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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
497
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:53:00 -
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ITT: POTENTIAL 514
1. The economy in Dust is all but non-existent. At the very least allow us to trade with mercs and sell back items. 2. The connection between Dust and EVE is minimal. FW games have very little impact on FW mechanics. 3. Visionary developers are always a plus. However, you actually need to deliver on promises. I can think of the greatest novel in the world, but until I actually write it, it's nothing. 4. Being released isn't a plus IMO. Now that Dust is out of BETA, there are no more excuses for bad gameplay and terrible mechanics. 5. Customization is a real plus, however, it also makes balancing difficult. CCP needs to be able to balance without going too far. The TAC nerf seems about right, the Laser rifle and Mass Driver nerfs were not. 6. There is a potential for narrative and that will increase as EVE and Dust are further integrated, but right now, this game doesn't feel very much like a sandbox. 7. Yeah, it's free. That will only get you so far. Personally, I will not buy any more Aurum until I see CCP get serious about Dust.
For the most part, there is no reason for a Dust player to play EVE or an EVE player to play Dust. That is the most glaring problem IMO. |
Brutus Va'Khan
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:03:00 -
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Out of beta, out of excuses. HTFU. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
399
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:54:00 -
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its a good video, I think pyrex has some really good points.
We would all be more constructive if we felt like CCP gave two kittens about this game. However, absolutely no developer feedback has pretty much left this playerbase angry and bitter.
I don't know how to fix it, they seem content to ignore it. Either way, I can't imagine the forum warriors that are left here (which are the ones who want to see the game succeed, everyone else has already left) have anything left in them to remain positive.
In short, if we're gonna have such long content cycles with such little content in them, then we need a hell of a lot more dev feedback and discussion keeping us positive in the meantime. Until then, "This game is dead" is the only perception we really have, cause well... it feels like it.
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TEXA5 HiTM4N
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
67
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:30:00 -
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I think people are tired of waiting 2-3 months only to get 1 thing fixed and 3 things messed up. No one wants to wait years for this game to take off. CCP just moves too slow for most of our liking. I will still keep my hopes up though |
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Amorale Lyadstafer
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:32:00 -
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So basically after CCP fked this game beyond repair we should now stay positive and fix THEIR game so THEY can make money with it? No, just no. I'm not a charity for incompetent, we've been ignored for way too long |
Eddie Rio
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
29
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:51:00 -
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Amorale Lyadstafer wrote:So basically after CCP fked this game beyond repair we should now stay positive and fix THEIR game so THEY can make money with it? No, just no. I'm not a charity for incompetent, we've been ignored for way too long
(fingers in ears) LAA LAAAA LAA |
CEOPyrex CloneA
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
206
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:53:00 -
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CCP Pyrex lol
This video was really a direct reply to the tidal wave of mails i get about the game
People let perhaps 5% of the game taint the remaining 95% which is mostly fit for purpose. (mostly)
Sure there are some broken things here but remember we have the luxury of being able to pose ideas and for CCP to fix them.
This product is 100% only going to get better..... I'm here for the ride, hope many of you will join me :) |
Laurent Cazaderon
What The French CRONOS.
1583
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:59:00 -
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Stevez WingYip wrote:CCP Pyrex makes a great constructive video and we all need to behave better as a community to make the game better and support CCP instead of hinder progress. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2nWNZfKFSIPlease, let's act like a good community and work together to help make this game matter. Obviously don't sit back and do nothing, but show encouragement, be constructive and try to stop all the negativity. We all want this game to do very well. And this game is at the start of his lifespan. We can do this as a community along with CCP. For New Eden <3
Thing is. Some people in here been very supportive for over a year. Dont make the mistake to think that everyone hear is pissed off an acts like a little kid after playing the game for a month. Like always, there's kind of a burnout among the community. No matter what people say, it has been very much supportive of CCP's work. Done major stuff to provide the game some audience in closed beta. Podcasts, websites, reddits, feedback, etc...
This burnout is for CCP to fix. When this community gets the sign it needs, it will come back highly motivated.
Point being, it's a bit easy to say players should do better. When in fact, they're customers. |
Kadar Saeleid
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
0
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:25:00 -
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Great video, right on all points. Dust has got a long way to go from what I imagined it, but I will do my best to constructively criticize it, as I hope many of you will continue to do. Fingers crossed, staying hopeful... |
CEOPyrex CloneA
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
206
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:31:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:
Thing is. Some people in here been very supportive for over a year. Dont make the mistake to think that everyone hear is pissed off an acts like a little kid after playing the game for a month. Like always, there's kind of a burnout among the community. No matter what people say, it has been very much supportive of CCP's work. Done major stuff to provide the game some audience in closed beta. Podcasts, websites, reddits, feedback, etc...
This burnout is for CCP to fix. When this community gets the sign it needs, it will come back highly motivated.
Point being, it's a bit easy to say players should do better. When in fact, they're customers.
As a CPM you should know better than most that CCP has limited resources and capability to control a mass of players (customers as you rightly say)
It is up to us as consumers to provide logical, constructive feedback that aids the development of the game, if we wish to have better products. If it is all a cacophony of noise and rage, that serves no one.
I cite the Goonswarm provision of the Titan Overhaul document that was produced for CCP to critique and review how Titans were broken and in need of alteration. This was a logical, non troll filled paper that clearly and concisely laid out the issues and was received well by CCP who went on to make a number of the changes.
I would also suggest that as CPM it surely is in your remit to better govern the community than you have been doing so far - sure you cant un-troll the trolls but all i see at the moment is CPM mandates fueling perceived self interests (PC - Cal Logi) and a collective shuffling of feet when difficult questions are asked.
Your position of CPM gives you the communities ear but not their respect, that has to be earned..... |
Rogue Saint
Limited Liability
36
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:32:00 -
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What I find interesting is the number of views of that video, 340 when I watched it, which implies that of the 6K or so concurrent users only a small minority are commenting here on the forums (good and bad).
I personally think CEO was spot on, and **** yeah I'm a CCP fanboi! Things can only improve if the doom-sayers just GTFO and gave us all some peace and quiet.
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
513
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:50:00 -
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I honestly wanna believe in the game. Every day it gets annoying. Every day you see fail after fail after fail. This stuff has been in the game forever. Like getting stuck on hills, walls, corners, OBJECTS just to make this short. Making one thing OP as hell attempting to balance the game by breaking everything. The shooting mechanics that has been a joke for over a month now. Supposedly they are bringing a fix to this with the new update. As much as I would love to start the welcoming party I am more on the I will believe it when I see it mood.
I really hope this is the beginning of getting things right. The game has potential but I am just really bored of saying that. I feel like we have used this line to death. I really do hope CCP can turn things around. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
400
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:53:00 -
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I like how he is listing the bad things while he bunny hops around runs in the open and one shots a low SP player yet fails to mention that fail game play of crap carried players is rewarded.
Pathetic blind fan boy is pathetic and blind. |
CEOPyrex CloneA
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
206
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:56:00 -
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hooc order wrote:I like how he is listing the bad things while he bunny hops around runs in the open and one shots a low SP player yet fails to mention that fail game play of crap carried players is rewarded.
Pathetic blind fan boy is pathetic and blind.
Holy Crap this post...seriously This post.... |
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I VOTED FOR-KODOS
Absentee AFK Regiment
23
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Posted - 2013.06.18 09:19:00 -
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All i heard was nerd ramblings and protips for mental midgets. I take it this group is new to forums? |
Stevez WingYip
Lumodynamics Power Control Corp Panda Cave
51
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:48:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:Soo stupid. So its up to the community ? LOL. Ya guys come on and ignore all the glaring flaws in this game and be patient so they can have your money. Derp.
No but we must help out instead of covering our forums with negativity. There are lots of things wrong with the game and right now, the game is not acceptable, we all know this already. With people posting more crap every day on the SAME thing, that is counter productive. And just makes it worse for CCP to get feedback and suggestions. |
Stevez WingYip
Lumodynamics Power Control Corp Panda Cave
51
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:50:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:I honestly wanna believe in the game. Every day it gets annoying. Every day you see fail after fail after fail. This stuff has been in the game forever. Like getting stuck on hills, walls, corners, OBJECTS just to make this short. Making one thing OP as hell attempting to balance the game by breaking everything. The shooting mechanics that has been a joke for over a month now. Supposedly they are bringing a fix to this with the new update. As much as I would love to start the welcoming party I am more on the I will believe it when I see it mood.
I really hope this is the beginning of getting things right. The game has potential but I am just really bored of saying that. I feel like we have used this line to death. I really do hope CCP can turn things around.
Hang in there! We all feel this way right now but believe in CCP. This is what EvE looked like on launch and look at the amazing game we got out of that. The only problem facing them in terms of that now, is the PS4 launch because I am not sure what is going to happen there. I am a little scared for when people trade in ps3s to get money off therefore it might lower the player numbers but I am still not sure. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
759
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:57:00 -
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hooc order wrote:I like how he is listing the bad things while he bunny hops around runs in the open and one shots a low SP player yet fails to mention that fail game play of crap carried players is rewarded.
Pathetic blind fan boy is pathetic and blind.
If your going to disagree with him at least cite why and what particular points, don't resort to name calling, it makes you look ignorant. |
Shadow heat
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:06:00 -
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So is up to the community to make this game better ? I thought the Devs where developing this game. Surely is up to the CEO and managing department to give their employees positive reinforcement. We players don't get pay enough to "Make this game better", actually, we are the ones PAYING to make this game better. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
405
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:58:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:I will simply reiterate what I said in this thread. You have started a revolution in online gaming CCP. Never before have consoles and PC/Mac been able to play in one persistent Virtual Universe. This must have been some programming nightmare. You have started something wonderful with DUST 514, and I hope to see it succeed. While you are lacking in some respects you have excelled in many others. I will be in this game for the long haul, which is why I care about it so much, and I'm sure my posts reflect that (when I'm not trolling). We know you have a lot of work to do, and though we ***** and moan quite often we are (mostly) all with you at least 75% Thank you for giving us all this soonTM to be spectacular F2P MMO FPS. Good Job CCP! Also one question. Is it just me or was he moving and turning awfully fast in that Heavy with FG!? Was he stacking KinCats?
I know right, no other game has managed to have players on the PC and console playing together in a persistent universe I mean Final Fantasy 11 never did it 11 years ago, and Phantasy Star Online totally didnt exist 12 years ago
Anyway I stopped watching the video when he started talking about our non existent economy as a strength, stuff like that ruins credibility |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
262
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:06:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:I will simply reiterate what I said in this thread. You have started a revolution in online gaming CCP. Never before have consoles and PC/Mac been able to play in one persistent Virtual Universe. This must have been some programming nightmare. You have started something wonderful with DUST 514, and I hope to see it succeed. While you are lacking in some respects you have excelled in many others. I will be in this game for the long haul, which is why I care about it so much, and I'm sure my posts reflect that (when I'm not trolling). We know you have a lot of work to do, and though we ***** and moan quite often we are (mostly) all with you at least 75% Thank you for giving us all this soonTM to be spectacular F2P MMO FPS. Good Job CCP! Also one question. Is it just me or was he moving and turning awfully fast in that Heavy with FG!? Was he stacking KinCats? I know right, no other game has managed to have players on the PC and console playing together in a persistent universe I mean Final Fantasy 11 never did it 11 years ago, and Phantasy Star Online totally didnt exist 12 years ago Anyway I stopped watching the video when he started talking about our non existent economy as a strength, stuff like that ruins credibility
Ehem excuse me then. Edited OP |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
407
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:12:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:I will simply reiterate what I said in this thread. You have started a revolution in online gaming CCP. Never before have consoles and PC/Mac been able to play in one persistent Virtual Universe. This must have been some programming nightmare. You have started something wonderful with DUST 514, and I hope to see it succeed. While you are lacking in some respects you have excelled in many others. I will be in this game for the long haul, which is why I care about it so much, and I'm sure my posts reflect that (when I'm not trolling). We know you have a lot of work to do, and though we ***** and moan quite often we are (mostly) all with you at least 75% Thank you for giving us all this soonTM to be spectacular F2P MMO FPS. Good Job CCP! Also one question. Is it just me or was he moving and turning awfully fast in that Heavy with FG!? Was he stacking KinCats? I know right, no other game has managed to have players on the PC and console playing together in a persistent universe I mean Final Fantasy 11 never did it 11 years ago, and Phantasy Star Online totally didnt exist 12 years ago Anyway I stopped watching the video when he started talking about our non existent economy as a strength, stuff like that ruins credibility Ehem excuse me then. Edited OP
Dont get me to wrong, I do like having another free game out there and hope they manage to polish this up or at least get on the right track with the next update but Im not going to pretend CCP are these great pioneers of gaming Maybe, and I emphasize maybe, when EVE was released that idea held more weight but even then they werent the first sandbox game with open PVP and a wide variety of skills they were just the first ones to do it in space and even then the skill system wasnt as all encompassing as some other MMORPG games before it |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
262
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:16:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:
Dont get me to wrong, I do like having another free game out there and hope they manage to polish this up or at least get on the right track with the next update but Im not going to pretend CCP are these great pioneers of gaming Maybe, and I emphasize maybe, when EVE was released that idea held more weight but even then they werent the first sandbox game with open PVP and a wide variety of skills they were just the first ones to do it in space and even then the skill system wasnt as all encompassing as some other MMORPG games before it
I was simply trying to give CCP some much deserved praise amidst all of the bashing of their work. I know when my work gets bashed -even rightfully so- without any praise for the good work I have accomplished, it makes me simply not want to work any longer. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
431
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:20:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
Dont get me to wrong, I do like having another free game out there and hope they manage to polish this up or at least get on the right track with the next update but Im not going to pretend CCP are these great pioneers of gaming Maybe, and I emphasize maybe, when EVE was released that idea held more weight but even then they werent the first sandbox game with open PVP and a wide variety of skills they were just the first ones to do it in space and even then the skill system wasnt as all encompassing as some other MMORPG games before it
I was simply trying to give CCP some much deserved praise amidst all of the bashing of their work. I know when my work gets bashed -even rightfully so- without any praise for the good work I have accomplished, it makes me simply not want to work any longer.
I bet getting fired would clear that malaise right up. |
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