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DARK - IMPULSE IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 4	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:42:00 - [1] - Quote Stop, just stop. The QQ'ers of this game have destroy dust 514 to the point that people does not longer want to play this game anymore. TAC's, HMG's, laser rifles, HAV's, MD's, dropsuits, etc... had been reduced to the point that is completely useless to use them. This nerf has turned dust 514 into some kind of a joke to the point that people would get stuck with spend sp in some class that it used to be good, but it is not anymore. I got stuck with 100 Duvolle TAC's because they are not effective any longer; fortunately I can used another AR . Now people is asking for the nerf of the Caldari logi suit, grenades and sniper rifles, and who knows what else. We might ask CCP then to give us water guns, so no one dies and people don't come crying all upset to the forums asking for this or that to be eliminated. We suppose to make this game better not worst. The nerfs are killing the game ask the laser rifles, tankers, MD's, and others. It is also CCP's fault for listening to a bunch of QQ'ers and do really unproductive nerfs to weapons like TAC's with a reducing of over 40% in RPM instead of trying a more conservative approach of 15% and see how it works. If this continues CCP better give a sp respect every time they do a nerf on any weapon or anything. Instead of asking to nerf this or that, ask this: What would make the weapon or drop suit or grenade or whatever I'm using right now a little more competitive on an honest level, not to become a super weapon, but to improve it to a more competent leval . Instead of nerfing the caldari logi suit make the other logi suits a little more competitive just a little. If there is a nerf to the caldari logi suit I want my sp respect because I know that the nerf would make it completely useless.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1826	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:50:00 - [2] - Quote If this game was reduced to being the first AAA pillow fight, people would complain that foam was OP or feathers needed a buff...
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1971	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:56:00 - [3] - Quote Cosgar wrote: If this game was reduced to being the first AAA pillow fight, people would complain that foam was OP or feathers needed a buff... QFT
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 291	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:03:00 - [4] - Quote Today even seen the start of the nerf the jet threads and we dont even have jets yet . To quote a wise professor "I dont want to live on this planet any more" is pretty much how I feel now.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1838	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:33:00 - [5] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Today even seen the start of the nerf the jet threads and we dont even have jets yet . To quote a wise professor "I dont want to live on this planet any more" is pretty much how I feel now. Did you see that nova knife nerf thread a few weeks ago and the one about HAV being OP (This is why we can't have nice things)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2719	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:40:00 - [6] - Quote Cosgar wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Today even seen the start of the nerf the jet threads and we dont even have jets yet . To quote a wise professor "I dont want to live on this planet any more" is pretty much how I feel now. Did you see that nova knife nerf thread a few weeks ago... (This is why we can't have nice things) You shall speak nothing of that blasphemy.
Deranged Disaster Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 200	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:44:00 - [7] - Quote Assault rifles are OP.
DARK - IMPULSE IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2013.06.18 21:18:00 - [8] - Quote No they are not.
DARK - IMPULSE IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2013.06.18 21:23:00 - [9] - Quote Get over it, you will die in the battle field. Deal with it.
Benari Kalidima Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:11:00 - [10] - Quote I use tactical assault rifles (glu) all the time, and it works fine? HMG is also fine except for the range which is being fixed for all weapons. Laser rifles are pretty bad though, yes. HAV's? I often get killed to see their K/D ratio being at 20/0. If anything they should be made cheaper, and the gap between cheaper tanks and more expensive tanks should be made smaller, so cheaper tanks actually are worth it, and not dying to 2 swarm launcher shots. MD's aren't useless, but certainly not good enough.

Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 131	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:48:00 - [11] - Quote Cosgar wrote: If this game was reduced to being the first AAA pillow fight, people would complain that foam was OP or feathers needed a buff... But feathers do need a buff along with the Armor provided by the skin tight negliges everyone wears to the battlefield.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 868	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:05:00 - [12] - Quote When I saw the "leaked" ferroscale and active plate stats, my first thought was that they made the stats purposely low because if they'd started "too high" then there would've been a huge outcry when they were inevitably nerfed. That is, it's probably easier to get away with starting low and buffing than being too high and nerfing as far as the community is concerned. I do think that LAV damage gets a bit wacky - mostly in terms of hitting people with marginal speed and still getting a kill. I don't think removing the free BPOs would matter (but they're probably not necessary considering the cheapness of militia LAVs). Even if they did, they started selling "better" STD LAV BPOs in their merc packs anyway. Some of the questionable gameplay (LAV derby matches, AFK in MCC, etc.) isn't just about balance. Players get bored with the lack of variety, the grind, and bugs like the PSN-disconnect or LAG and it makes you less willing to seriously invest in a match.
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Frontlinez Omega Commission 102	Posted - 2013.06.19 00:55:00 - [13] - Quote If anything, the Mass Driver needs a major nerf. That noob tube is the epitome of a no skill weapon. With it's phenomenal hit detection, crazy huge blast radius, and insane splash damage, I can't believe the Dev's have let it go on this long. When will they listen to the screams of this community and nerf this darn thing???
Wojciak Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire 36	Posted - 2013.06.19 01:36:00 - [14] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: If anything, the Mass Driver needs a major nerf. That noob tube is the epitome of a no skill weapon. With it's phenomenal hit detection, crazy huge blast radius, and insane splash damage, I can't believe the Dev's have let it go on this long. When will they listen to the screams of this community and nerf this darn thing??? What are you talking about, i hope you are being sarcastic.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1945	Posted - 2013.06.19 01:56:00 - [15] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: If anything, the Mass Driver needs a major nerf. That noob tube is the epitome of a no skill weapon. With it's phenomenal hit detection, crazy huge blast radius, and insane splash damage, I can't believe the Dev's have let it go on this long. When will they listen to the screams of this community and nerf this darn thing??? +1 Well played good sir
Brutus Va'Khan Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:02:00 - [16] - Quote Tiered matchmaking. Then proto grenades won't be ohko the militia LAVs since they won't be in there. And if you bring militia gear in a proto fight, it's your fault.
Valto Nyntus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 16	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:26:00 - [17] - Quote Why don't we let the cpm council members decide if a certain gun, suit, or whatever needs to be nerfed and by how much?or at least have ccp ask for their opinion about the nerf and by how much.for example they can ask to players for our opinions on if something needs to be nerfed and then relay that to ccp by making a topic about it.
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 171	Posted - 2013.06.19 04:05:00 - [18] - Quote I'm guessing you don't like the nerf requests because your happy with a very narrow selection of worthy items, why have skills, just give us all a caldari, shield extenders, regulators, fuse/impact nades and a flaylock...right?
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 15	Posted - 2013.06.19 04:13:00 - [19] - Quote I feel bad for the laser rifle, it was a good weapon. Back in chromy, when I heard that ominous sound and my shields started to melt, I knew I was in trouble. It would be nice to have a variety of balanced weapons which will make the battlefield more dynamic and fun.
D legendary hero One-Armed Bandits 211	Posted - 2013.06.19 08:37:00 - [20] - Quote i have all my SP in heavy suits and HMGs and they are really bad right now for a number of reasons i posted on different threads. my thing is this: i dnt ask for nerfs to stuff. I only want buffs to my stuff to make it competitive. but people get angry when i talk about buffing the heavy suit, or HMG, and CCP won't give me another respec.. if your going to kill all my **** at least give me a respec so i can use something useful. i want a full respec and refund so i can put points in something thats not gimped. i have 6milion SP and 500, million ISK worth of assests.

DARK - IMPULSE IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 13	Posted - 2013.06.19 10:11:00 - [21] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: I'm guessing you don't like the nerf requests because your happy with a very narrow selection of worthy items, why have skills, just give us all a caldari, shield extenders, regulators, fuse/impact nades and a flaylock...right? Flux grenades and a scramble rifle would finish a caldari logi. Flaylocks just move to the side or a little jump. Get some new skills as a FPS player. Different weapons are there so they fit your PLAY-STYLE, not for you to be happy with them. Like I said before irrational, excessive, unsupported requests for nerfs have caused some weapons to be pretty closed to useless. Or how many laser rifles or MD's you run in pub matches?
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 139	Posted - 2013.06.19 13:23:00 - [22] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Some of the questionable gameplay (LAV derby matches, AFK in MCC, etc.) isn't just about balance. Players get bored with the lack of variety, the grind, and bugs like the PSN-disconnect or LAG and it makes you less willing to seriously invest in a match. Time to bring out PVE and a bounty on mercs system.
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 139	Posted - 2013.06.19 13:46:00 - [23] - Quote If I ever find that nerf hammer I plan on nerfing it...Stop the nerfs and constant complaining. Learn how to play then suggest modifications that make things work better instead of just crippling other things.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 539	Posted - 2013.06.19 14:04:00 - [24] - Quote You get a huge bump
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1965	Posted - 2013.06.19 14:38:00 - [25] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: Some of the questionable gameplay (LAV derby matches, AFK in MCC, etc.) isn't just about balance. Players get bored with the lack of variety, the grind, and bugs like the PSN-disconnect or LAG and it makes you less willing to seriously invest in a match. Time to bring out PVE and a bounty on mercs system. At this rate, we're all going to get owned in PVE because of all the nerfs.
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 171	Posted - 2013.06.19 15:08:00 - [26] - Quote DARK - IMPULSE wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: I'm guessing you don't like the nerf requests because your happy with a very narrow selection of worthy items, why have skills, just give us all a caldari, shield extenders, regulators, fuse/impact nades and a flaylock...right? Flux grenades and a scramble rifle would finish a caldari logi. Flaylocks just move to the side or a little jump. Get some new skills as a FPS player. Different weapons are there so they fit your PLAY-STYLE, not for you to be happy with them. Like I said before irrational, excessive, unsupported requests for nerfs have caused some weapons to be pretty closed to useless. Or how many laser rifles or MD's you run in pub matches? I play sniper, flaylocks are few and far between for me, but watching the kill feed, they are currently the fotm. You can't honestly say that the damage a flaylock does, puts it as a balanced side arm, more of a top tier primary in most cases. Jumping to the side does work, unless your engaged in real combat and one of those nuggets(the skilless) comes in spamming, never just one either... I do agree that nerfing is stupid, but when certain things are easily identified as being out of line, there needs to be adjustments, as a medium there shouldn't only be one or 2 routes to take, there should be many. keep defending your crutches though.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization 17	Posted - 2013.06.19 16:18:00 - [27] - Quote hmg needs its rpm lowered... dont know what is rpm is since i havnt looked at its rpm stats but i can tell u it shoots to fast to be effective.. it seems like a player goes through have the clip to kill a single player... lowering the rpm mean less ammo is used. and would probably increase its killing efficiency . this would not be a nerf. as i have used the std hmg for a few days. and if anything it lacks ammo capacity.... but lazer was good last build. all ther noobs wining for nerfes make this game worse and put a dent on my slowly climbing kd/r i have used every weapon. almost everyweapon. not its high tier but at least the std version... and i say the only murder axi is the logistics lav... that thing use tougher than a few tanks.....
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 188	Posted - 2013.07.12 18:40:00 - [28] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Some of the questionable gameplay (LAV derby matches, AFK in MCC, etc.) isn't just about balance. Players get bored with the lack of variety, the grind, and bugs like the PSN-disconnect or LAG and it makes you less willing to seriously invest in a match. I'm sick of this right now. Having s... for a team or playing against a s... team. Who in their right mind tries really hard to run ppl over?
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 152	Posted - 2013.07.12 19:08:00 - [29] - Quote You want a respec if they nerf ur suit? They nerfed my whole scout class, shotguns knives, stamina, CPU/pg man get over it
Lightning Bolt2 DUST University Ivy League 44	Posted - 2013.07.12 19:21:00 - [30] - Quote Deranged Disaster wrote: Assault rifles are OP. no they the only effective weapon

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 61	Posted - 2013.07.12 19:22:00 - [31] - Quote The thing with the flaylock is it's great for cqc as stated in its description. As for the mass driver again the nerfers are just getting blown up in guess what? Cqc where it shines, when you have mastered it you can hit at medium and long range. Generally the whole nerf thing is from Ar users. Now because I'm a logi the Ar is no good for me, it's a direct combat weapon which is no good when you have less hp and speed than assault, I do use a scrambler rifle and flaylock pistol when I'm in assault mode (proto amarr logi) but when I'm supporting and defending I use mass driver and flaylock. It's area denial right? so when guys run at me spraying their Ar and strafing I deny them the area in front of me to do so, rock paper scissors right because cqc mass driver and flaylock will always own, rather than chance your luck run to get a bit of distance, if a sniper is on a hill you wouldn't stand and shoot him from out in the open? so stop trying to cqc a mass driver or flaylock. The Ar is not supposed to just be the best at everything and it's very versatile anyway. The whole nerfing thing has got out of hand, I even wanted the flaylock nerfed but it's good for cqc and that's where people are getting killed by it, it's like moaning the knives have too much range or something stupid like that lol And also anyone who balances based on pub games just shouldnt , no joke I found it way easier in terms of skill and ttk with my scrambler rifle and scrambler pistol combo because generally targets are not all in cqc.
Lightning Bolt2 DUST University Ivy League 44	Posted - 2013.07.12 19:26:00 - [32] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: Some of the questionable gameplay (LAV derby matches, AFK in MCC, etc.) isn't just about balance. Players get bored with the lack of variety, the grind, and bugs like the PSN-disconnect or LAG and it makes you less willing to seriously invest in a match. Time to bring out PVE and a bounty on mercs system. At this rate, we're all going to get owned in PVE because of all the nerfs. PVE will be nerfed where its impossible to lose
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 298	Posted - 2013.07.12 19:39:00 - [33] - Quote DARK - IMPULSE wrote: Stop, just stop. The QQ'ers of this game have destroy dust 514 to the point that people does not longer want to play this game anymore. TAC's, HMG's, laser rifles, HAV's, MD's, dropsuits, etc... had been reduced to the point that is completely useless to use them. This nerf has turned dust 514 into some kind of a joke to the point that people would get stuck with spend sp in some class that it used to be good, but it is not anymore. People have said this about any game that underwent balancing, ever. OMG don't NERF ONLY BUFF. No, balance requires both tools in the toolbox. Quote: I got stuck with 100 Duvolle TAC's because they are not effective any longer Give em to me. I love TACs. Quote: If this continues CCP better give a sp respect every time they do a nerf on any weapon or anything. ... If there is a nerf to the caldari logi suit I want my sp respect because I know that the nerf would make it completely useless. cry more if you want, but you wont' be getting anything.
Demon Buddah The Phoenix Federation 16	Posted - 2013.07.13 20:14:00 - [34] - Quote DARK - IMPULSE wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: I'm guessing you don't like the nerf requests because your happy with a very narrow selection of worthy items, why have skills, just give us all a caldari, shield extenders, regulators, fuse/impact nades and a flaylock...right? Flux grenades and a scramble rifle would finish a caldari logi. Flaylocks just move to the side or a little jump. Get some new skills as a FPS player. Different weapons are there so they fit your PLAY-STYLE, not for you to be happy with them. Like I said before irrational, excessive, unsupported requests for nerfs have caused some weapons to be pretty closed to useless. Or how many laser rifles or MD's you run in pub matches? Flaylocks and Mass Drivers though moving to the side doesn't help. I get hit every time pretty much. Caldari logi, yes a flux grenade could beat them but the thing is that it's a better suit than the Assaults? People don't use those suits to be Logis like it should be, they use them to be Assault. It's a support suit. The problem with a lot of people asking for a nerf is because they get beat by them. Like the AR, I see it all the time, yes you're going to get beat by it, it's the common weapon most people are going to use it. But the only reason I see them asking for a nerf is "Oh nothing else can kill me the AR is too powerful I can't beat it". That's what happened to the laser rifle. Flaylocks and Mass Drivers can hit you almost everytime, which is bs. They still do too much damage to shield tankers. I can say this because I use the Flaylock myself. I do aim my shots and try not to spam, but I can still hit pretty well if I am spamming. I could tell you about the Logi cars too but I'm sure you've heard em all. There are things that need nerfing, but CCP needs to stop nerfing stuff to the point of being absolute crap. I wanna be in a match where EVERYTHING is being used. Not just one thing because it's the most powerful.
DARK - IMPULSE Internal Error. League of Infamy 20	Posted - 2013.07.16 17:18:00 - [35] - Quote Quote: Flaylocks and Mass Drivers though moving to the side doesn't help. You are right it doesnt help.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 443	Posted - 2013.07.16 17:37:00 - [36] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: hmg needs its rpm lowered... dont know what is rpm is since i havnt looked at its rpm stats but i can tell u it shoots to fast to be effective.. it seems like a player goes through have the clip to kill a single player... lowering the rpm mean less ammo is used. and would probably increase its killing efficiency . this would not be a nerf. as i have used the std hmg for a few days. and if anything it lacks ammo capacity.... Are you insane? The RoF is fine! The hit detection needs to be fixed, and the spin up time needs to be adjusted. It needs longer optimal range and less dispersion. I have used HMGs since I started in Chromosome and I can say with 100% certainty that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK rise of legion 270	Posted - 2013.07.16 17:58:00 - [37] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Today even seen the start of the nerf the jet threads and we dont even have jets yet . To quote a wise professor "I dont want to live on this planet any more" is pretty much how I feel now. There are plenty of other places to live in EVE.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 208	Posted - 2013.07.16 18:33:00 - [38] - Quote NERF THIS THREAD!
Cosgar ParagonX 2708	Posted - 2013.07.16 18:36:00 - [39] - Quote DARK - IMPULSE wrote: Quote: Flaylocks and Mass Drivers though moving to the side doesn't help. You are right it doesnt help. Engage a MD in close range, they'll usually kill themselves faster than they'll kill you. Engage a Flaylock at mid range or beyond. Getting above both is also effective.
sxwr M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command 17	Posted - 2013.07.16 18:55:00 - [40] - Quote Benari Kalidima wrote: I use tactical assault rifles (glu) all the time, and it works fine? HMG is also fine except for the range which is being fixed for all weapons. Laser rifles are pretty bad though, yes. HAV's? I often get killed to see their K/D ratio being at 20/0. If anything they should be made cheaper, and the gap between cheaper tanks and more expensive tanks should be made smaller, so cheaper tanks actually are worth it, and not dying to 2 swarm launcher shots. MD's aren't useless, but certainly not good enough. theres nothing wrong with a good tanker going 20 and 0 but when you lose a tank in back to back games there lies a problem



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