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Justin Tymes
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:50:00 -
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I don't buy that proto-tank argument. You'd have 2 squads going AV just to take down one if the tank has Infantry support, while the rest of the team is swarmed because of superior numbers. It would just be Chrome-Ambush 2.0. |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:29:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:I don't buy that proto-tank argument. You'd have 2 squads going AV just to take down one if the tank has Infantry support, while the rest of the team is swarmed because of superior numbers. It would just be Chrome-Ambush 2.0. So whats your point proto tanks will be hard to kill ... cos guess what there supposed to be hard to kill. Allot of sp and isk will be invested in true proto tanks so you better bet your ass theyd be hard to kill.
Which wouldn't be a problem, if tanks had a weakness outside of AV. But they dont. It would take multiple dedicated proto-AV users to take down one proto-tank, especially with infantry support. And forget anything under proto-gear doing anything significant to them, while the tanker proceeds to mow down anyone who isn't a threat to them. Dedicated AV users are nearly useless against Infantry, while tankers are effective against everything in the game.
And even then, it still may not be a problem if the game wasn't a total SP sink. I'm closing in on 8 mill, and I still don't have enough SP to be a dedicated Logibro, it would take at least 10 Mill to get to dedicated AV range right now. What we would have if proto-tanks were in the game is vets and only vets being able to take down vets, and that's a path the Dust cannot go through if it wants to survive. Currently a squad of standard AV users will at least be able to make a tank without Infantry support retreat, a squad of advanced AV users will be able to take down a tank without Infantry support, and a squad of proto AV users will be able to take down a tank even if it does have Infantry support, which is the way it should be. Tanks should not be a KDR tool. |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:40:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:I don't buy that proto-tank argument. You'd have 2 squads going AV just to take down one if the tank has Infantry support, while the rest of the team is swarmed because of superior numbers. It would just be Chrome-Ambush 2.0. So whats your point proto tanks will be hard to kill ... cos guess what there supposed to be hard to kill. Allot of sp and isk will be invested in true proto tanks so you better bet your ass theyd be hard to kill. Which wouldn't be a problem, if tanks had a weakness outside of AV. But they dont. It would take multiple dedicated proto-AV users to take down one proto-tank, especially with infantry support. And forget anything under proto-gear doing anything significant to them, while the tanker proceeds to mow down anyone who isn't a threat to them. Dedicated AV users are useless against Infantry, while tankers are effective against everything in the game. And even then, it still may not be a problem if the game wasn't a total SP sink. I'm closing in on 8 mill, and I still don't have enough SP to be a dedicated Logibro, it would take at least 10 Mill to get to dedicated AV range right now. What we would have if proto-tanks were in the game is vets and only vets being able to take down vets, and that's a path the Dust cannot go through if it wants to survive. Currently a squad of standard AV users will at least be able to make a tank without Infantry support retreat, a squad of advanced AV users will be able to take down a tank without Infantry support, and a squad of proto AV users will be able to take down a tank even if it does have Infantry support, which is the way it should be. Tanks should not be a KDR tool. Ok wow I stopped reading when you said tanks weakness outside av . Your obviously someone who wants to solo tanks with his assault rifle. Wow again . Just wow. You sirr have balls tanks weakness outside of av. A wise professor once said "I dont want to live on this planet any more" and thats hiw I feel after the first few words of your post.
Fine. I can't discuss this with people who can't be bothered read a paragraph anyway. |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 02:00:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Well if you take his side we shall never see proto tanks whichcare baddly needed to stand up against proto av he seems to have a problem with proto tanks on the basis that ot will take more tan one or two proto av specilists to take down . At the moment we have malitia and std tanks (enforcers are a branch of std or poor adv at best) so currently 1 advanced av and above specilist can solo a tank this is wrong on many levles . (See the many apropriate threads) but if we had adv or pro tanks then it woukd be a different ball game . It would also encourage more av players . I know many good av specilists who arw pretty good with their side arms so the whole av player cant fight against infantry argument is out the window.
I call this bull, a good well-fit tanker will not be solo'd by a lone AV, especially in advanced gear. But that aside, my gripe with proto-tanks is that it will make standard AV useless against them. Currently the only thing way people can put up with SP sinks is that while protos will always have an advantage, your standard gear has the ability to take out proto-gear. If you work together you can theoretically kill anything with Militia gear. If proto-tanks were to come into play this will mess this up entirely. You will be REQUIRED to skill up in AV in order to get them to at least notice you. And even if you could eventually kill it with standard gear it will require too many Infantry units focused on AV, allowing the enemy to take advantage and swarm in. And get out of here with the side-arm argument, you will be raped outside of 10 meters, and they have side-arms too. |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 13:53:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Well if you take his side we shall never see proto tanks whichcare baddly needed to stand up against proto av he seems to have a problem with proto tanks on the basis that ot will take more tan one or two proto av specilists to take down . At the moment we have malitia and std tanks (enforcers are a branch of std or poor adv at best) so currently 1 advanced av and above specilist can solo a tank this is wrong on many levles . (See the many apropriate threads) but if we had adv or pro tanks then it woukd be a different ball game . It would also encourage more av players . I know many good av specilists who arw pretty good with their side arms so the whole av player cant fight against infantry argument is out the window. I call this bull, a good well-fit tanker will not be solo'd by a lone AV, especially in advanced gear. But that aside, my gripe with proto-tanks is that it will make standard AV useless against them. Currently the only thing way people can put up with SP sinks is that while protos will always have an advantage, your standard gear has the ability to take out proto-gear. If you work together you can theoretically kill anything with Militia gear. If proto-tanks were to come into play this will mess this up entirely. You will be REQUIRED to skill up in AV in order to get them to at least notice you. And even if you could eventually kill it with standard gear it will require too many Infantry units focused on AV, allowing the enemy to take advantage and swarm in. And get out of here with the side-arm argument, you will be raped outside of 10 meters, and they have side-arms too. GOOD if i spend ******* 5-6 months speccing into a tank i expect to be damn near invincible, but oh dont worry you can get proto AV gear in 2 weeks! this game is not meant to be ******* kind, its here to be brutal
Are you seriously justifying being unaffected by standard gear while you're in proto just because you Spent X amount of time getting to that point? That's a horrible place for the game to go. I've been playing this game for pretty much that amount of time, and I still don't have enough SP to be a dedicated Logibro, but I'm not going to sit here and say standard ARs should have no effect on my proto Logibro suit. |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:54:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Benari Kalidima wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Call bs all you want bro . First questuon who arw you and seco dly do yiu have any sp in av or tanks if not then sir the door is that way dont lem it hit you on the ass in the way
You also now look like a tool having problems with proto tanks because a std wepon cat or wont solo them wow go back to cod. First of all, better spelling would make it easier to understand what you are saying. Secondly, stop telling people sound like a tool, when you can't spell yourself. Telling people to go back to CoD is also stupid. If anything it's the CoD like mechanics that break this game, such as orbital bombardment in public matches. Lol iv mentiond this before in another thread when someone who couldent reason back made a lame attempt to respond with an attack at typing skill. Firsrly 87% of the population can understand mistyped text the other 13% are what is known as special ed. Now unless you have a valid argument and have more than 10mill sp dedicated to tanks or destroying tanks then no one cares about your oppinion (I have 13.6 mill in tanks only) so I think im qualified to comment on vehicle balance hiw about you?
Ah I see, you want the game to become just vets vs vets, who make up less than 10% of Dust's population, which is already alarming low as it is. Unfortunately, the game doesn't work that way, standard gear is suppose to be effective against everything in the game, thus skill being more important than gear. You can't break the game's fundamentals just because tankers want to be able to survive against proto AV. |
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