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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:41:00 -
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You ever play diablo 2? Well, incase you haven't, in diablo 2 you can create a "hardcore character". The hardcor character has one life, and once it dies that is it, you can never play that character again.
So, I was thinking about clone bodies, you know the ones we use for battle. And I was thinking [i]man, with as many clones as I go through in a typical gaming session of Dust, these clone bodies have got to be just mass produced POS'es. Fresh out of the goo, body parts never even been used before. It has got to be pretty stiff in one of those fresh clone bodies. So what if we were to take a clone body and give it a little love? Could we get some better functionality out of it, on the battlefield?
So, here is my idea:
You can create a "main clone body". And every day you can take this clone body to the gym, the runing track, the shooting range etc. Each activity would very slight increase a core aspect of your game play. Example:
The gym: increases your melee by 1 or 2 damage points.
The track: increases your movement speed by 0.1 or 0.2 points
The shooting range: increases your accuracy by 0.1 or 0.2 points
As to make it prohibitively difficult to accomplish these benifits, let's take the gym for example, you have to spend fifteen or twenty minutes a day pumping iron in the gym to get your bonus.
The bonuses stack every day, so 1 point to melee becomes 2 points on the second. You can skip a day but on the second missed day you start to loose your accumulated bonuses. As you progress further into earning these bonuses, the rewards slowly begin to deminish, as you begin to come closer to your peek performance ability. I am thinking that this would take several weeks to accomplish at least.
You can work on more than one aspect a day. Example: you could spend fifteen minutes in the gym, fifteen minutes at the shooting range etc.
There would actually be a gym mini game, where you would actually have to take your character into the gym and work him out on the equipment. The shooting range would be an actual shooting, the track an actual track.
While in game, you would have the ability to select this clone body for use in combat at any time, or just use a standard clone.
If this clone dies that is it. It's is gone. And now you have to start all over again with a fresh clone body.
Anyway, I thought that this idea would make for a pretty cool addition to this game. Yah this thread probably-
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Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
133
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:43:00 -
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Cool idea. Can draw in more players like this once they add PvE. This can be mainly for the players that want to enjoy Dust but can't aim very well. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:46:00 -
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-belongs in the "feedback/suggestions" section of the forums, but since that section is usually pritty dead, I though it would be useful/fun to put it in the "general discussion" section first to let it get a little play. So Devs/Mods if you feel the need to move it could you at least give it at least one day of play in the forum first.
Thanks. |
Grit Breather
BetaMax. CRONOS.
776
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:46:00 -
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DUST is not The Sims. Pfft. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
642
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:49:00 -
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Actually clones are the way they are for a reason. You send in the ship, fight the battle and then just dump the bodies. If you read the lore on Uplinks you see that it causes major trauma and death quickly just using one. So your body is only just temporary.
In the real world, when armies fight in conflicts there are huge logistical issues with getting men and weapons to a theater of operation. When the war is over typically a force will just destroy much of their gear and only take the men back. With Dust, you don't even need to bring the men back either, just destroy it all and leave. As far as lore goes, Cloning is a miracle in the logistics world.
For a interesting reference that may be worth your time, check out "Lord of War" |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
4412
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:50:00 -
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Our real bodies are likely already dead. There is no reason why a cloned body couldn't be exercised and kept from battle to make it grow stronger like what you're suggesting for the original. It is likely that the clones are manufactured already to be strong and fast muscles through artificial enhancements to make them on par with if not better than a trained original body given that they are made for combat. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
32
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:52:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Actually clones are the way they are for a reason. You send in the ship, fight the battle and then just dump the bodies. If you read the lore on Uplinks you see that it causes major trauma and death quickly just using one. So your body is only just temporary.
In the real world, when armies fight in conflicts there are huge logistical issues with getting men and weapons to a theater of operation. When the war is over typically a force will just destroy much of their gear and only take the men back. With Dust, you don't even need to bring the men back either, just destroy it all and leave. As far as lore goes, Cloning is a miracle in the logistics world.
For a interesting reference that may be worth your time, check out "Lord of War"
Meh, my idea is better. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
32
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:54:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Our real bodies are likely already dead. There is no reason why a cloned body couldn't be exercised and kept from battle to make it grow stronger like what you're suggesting for the original. It is likely that the clones are manufactured already to be strong and fast muscles through artificial enhancements to make them on par with if not better than a trained original body given that they are made for combat.
Meh, my idea is still better. It's cooler/more fun, if we can train then to make them stronger. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
642
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:58:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Meh, my idea is still better.
Aren't you a cool guy.. Answering, My idea is better.. Nyah nyah na na nah.
Here let me give you a tip. Your idea is horrible and it will never be implemented.
Thank you, that is all. And I will not be returning to this thread, so flame and pout all you want. I'll never see it. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
157
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:00:00 -
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the problem with a main body is you cant do it... the original DIES to spawn the immortal capsuleer/DUST merc... as per the lore, there is no common application of multiple clones active, one of the books reference someone with multiple clones active, but the guy was a little out there(political terrorism and espionage, as i recall, he was the reason the Nyx crashed into a station)
and as for the clone dying, you are in genetically engineered bodies, if you really wanted to beef up, why not simply alter the clone rather than going through the effort to maintain a physical fitness regimen... the shooting range is the only thing that i could really see as potential to carry over, because thats as much mental as it is physical, muscle memory vs knowing what your doing...
a nice sci-fi touch, dont get me wrong, but it would be a hard fit with the lore... not to mention would probably not be well received due to the lack of instant gratification so many of us desire in our videogames. |
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Judy Maat
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
80
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:04:00 -
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no |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:14:00 -
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SuperKing BigNuts wrote:the problem with a main body is you cant do it... the original DIES to spawn the immortal capsuleer/DUST merc... as per the lore, there is no common application of multiple clones active, one of the books reference someone with multiple clones active, but the guy was a little out there(political terrorism and espionage, as i recall, he was the reason the Nyx crashed into a station)
and as for the clone dying, you are in genetically engineered bodies, if you really wanted to beef up, why not simply alter the clone rather than going through the effort to maintain a physical fitness regimen... the shooting range is the only thing that i could really see as potential to carry over, because thats as much mental as it is physical, muscle memory vs knowing what your doing...
a nice sci-fi touch, dont get me wrong, but it would be a hard fit with the lore... not to mention would probably not be well received due to the lack of instant gratification so many of us desire in our videogames.
You don't keep two clones active at the same time. If you're not using your main body then it is not active.
However, there is something that I did not consider: distance/travel. This would probably not work for instant battle or factional since you do not own the clones you are fighting with. Would be cool I thing once the game opens up more to PC, null sec, PVE, etc. |
Queen of Uranus
Dust 514 Forum Trolls
37
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:25:00 -
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Can we get pets?
I want a walrus. Not just any walrus will do though. I want a special walrus named Gus. He will be called Gus the Walrus. He will have 1 huge bulging horn that everyone must shake with their hands as he goes by. Little kids must salute if they are out of range. He will eat hamburgers only but still stay in tip top shape. Make it happen please!!! Oh and your idea is horrible. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
359
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:26:00 -
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I think he's right, guys. The game needs some sort of passive training system where over time your character unlocks new skills. His idea of adding a bonus to melee damage is freaking brilliant, why don't we already have one!? Finally, someone suggests adding RPG elements to the game. You, OP, are a visionary! |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:32:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:I think he's right, guys. The game needs some sort of passive training system where over time your character unlocks new skills. His idea of adding a bonus to melee damage is freaking brilliant, why don't we already have one!? Finally, someone suggests adding RPG elements to the game. You, OP, are a visionary!
meh, my hardcore character idea is still better. |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
76
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:37:00 -
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I love how you put a lot of thought into your idea but here is the problem - I don't know but I'll assume that they aren't producing clones that were genetically engineered to train them afterwards because when they come out of the goo, they are as buffed as they can be - every single thing is made for purpose. And I doubt that it would be very pleasant to press the W button while your character runs on a treadmill or circling your analog stick when it does yoga. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:42:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:I love how you put a lot of thought into your idea but here is the problem - I don't know but I'll assume that they aren't producing clones that were genetically engineered to train them afterwards because when they come out of the goo, they are as buffed as they can be - every single thing is made for purpose. And I doubt that it would be very pleasant to press the W button while your character runs on a treadmill or circling your analog stick when it does yoga.
1. a body that has never been used before... i dont think so. muscle tissue requires use to be at peek condition. no getting around it. it' just the nature of the beast.
2. nither is lifting weights, but people still do it though. why? for the same reasons i am attempting to simulate here. |
The Shotgun Surgeon
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:27:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:I love how you put a lot of thought into your idea but here is the problem - I don't know but I'll assume that they aren't producing clones that were genetically engineered to train them afterwards because when they come out of the goo, they are as buffed as they can be - every single thing is made for purpose. And I doubt that it would be very pleasant to press the W button while your character runs on a treadmill or circling your analog stick when it does yoga. 1. a body that has never been used before... i dont think so. muscle tissue requires use to be at peek condition. no getting around it. it's just the nature of the beast. 2. nither is lifting weights, but people still do it though. why? for the same reasons i am attempting to simulate here. Are you ********? you just said no getting around it.... you know that drop uplinks arent very realistic either |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
32
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:46:00 -
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The Shotgun Surgeon wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:I love how you put a lot of thought into your idea but here is the problem - I don't know but I'll assume that they aren't producing clones that were genetically engineered to train them afterwards because when they come out of the goo, they are as buffed as they can be - every single thing is made for purpose. And I doubt that it would be very pleasant to press the W button while your character runs on a treadmill or circling your analog stick when it does yoga. 1. a body that has never been used before... i dont think so. muscle tissue requires use to be at peek condition. no getting around it. it's just the nature of the beast. 2. nither is lifting weights, but people still do it though. why? for the same reasons i am attempting to simulate here. Are you ********? you just said no getting around it.... you know that drop uplinks arent very realistic either
Did you just call me the eight letter version of stupid... really. How rude. *shakes his head* I was referring reality dumb***, not fictional plot devices.
What is up with the unnessesary/out of line hate toward me here.
Look all I am sayin is that there is room for it to be explained in the lore. You guys are trying to shut me down by saying "oh, it doesn't match the lore and then when I turn it around on you, you guys start acting like little sissys and start calling me names.
And dude did you seriously just bring up droplinks. If we can work in a plot device that says that we can teleport ourselves, then we can sure as hell work in my idea somehow.
Quit trying to use lore as a way to shut me down. If you don't like the idea just say so. Is that so hard? And there is absolutely no need to be rude here. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
381
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:53:00 -
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I oppose all of this.
Every Monday i am covered with tattoos, have 2 or three space STDs, have a hang over, usually missing a finger or a tooth and need to take a dump.
Best to just suicide and move into a new clone then to deal. |
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
32
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:03:00 -
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hooc order wrote:I oppose all of this.
Every Monday i am covered with tattoos, have 2 or three space STDs, have a hang over, usually missing a finger or a tooth and need to take a dump.
Best to just suicide and move into a new clone then to deal.
Hahah, these are awesome ideas. Let's use it all. Now that would be a truly hardcore character. Make it happen CCP. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2717
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:13:00 -
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There is something you need to know.
According to the lore of New Eden, there are two kinds of clones.
Military grade Dust clones which mainly consist of low-quality bodies (some of which are constantly recycled) and are relatively cheap. As a result, some of them decay faster than normal. Rumors have it that they last up to 24 hours at the most.
Then there are the Capsuleer clones which are so expensive that only Eve Online players can currently afford. Capsuleer clones degrade at the same normal rate as a simple unmodified human body. In fact, they suffer less defects and illnesses compared to normal humans.
But fear not. There are rumors that the clone body you see in your merc quarters is a Capsuleer grade clone. But you never use it for battle. It's just there for you to hang out with. Besides, Dust mercs currently lack the income the support losing such a clone. You'll have to wait until the market becomes lucrative enough for you to do so. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
32
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:17:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:There is something you need to know.
According to the lore of New Eden, there are two kinds of clones.
Military grade Dust clones which mainly consist of low-quality bodies (some of which are constantly recycled) and are relatively cheap. As a result, some of them decay faster than normal. Rumors have it that they last up to 24 hours at the most.
Then there are the Capsuleer clones which are so expensive that only Eve Online players can currently afford. Capsuleer clones degrade at the same normal rate as a simple unmodified human body. In fact, they suffer less defects and illnesses compared to normal humans.
But fear not. There are rumors that the clone body you see in your merc quarters is a Capsuleer grade clone. But you never use it for battle. It's just there for you to hang out with. Besides, Dust mercs currently lack the income the support losing such a clone. You'll have to wait until the market becomes lucrative enough for you to do so.
Well then, let's get this train a movin. Make it happen CCP. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
32
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:36:00 -
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Ooo, ooo, I know. Capsuleer clones can be augmented/enhanced right (that is what makes them really expensive right)? We could set it up where you could either buy the augmentations (if you have the money, which would be outrageously expensive) or you could just personally/hand on work a Capsuleer clone to achive near the same effect. One could be a humanist or augmentationist purist. I say near the same effect because I think that augmentations would need to be better but very expensive. But it dies and it is gone.
I want a hardcore character damn it, so I can be really upset when it dies. Like someone just shot my puppy. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
388
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:58:00 -
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The idea is intriguing, but I have to admit I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it. You see, I'm Amarrian, and, well... I'm still on my first clone. Good luck with this... whatever. |
Avallo Kantor
DUST University Ivy League
57
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:21:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Ooo, ooo, I know. Capsuleer clones can be augmented/enhanced right (that is what makes them really expensive right)? We could set it up where you could either buy the augmentations (if you have the money, which would be outrageously expensive) or you could just personally/hands on work a Capsuleer clone to achive near the same effect. One could be a humanist or augmentationist purist. I say near the same effect because I think that augmentations would need to be better but very expensive. But it dies and it is gone. I want a hardcore character damn it, so I can be really upset when it dies. Like someone just shot my puppy.
This idea has a bit more merit, if you changed some things around.
Lore wise, our bodies are already at peak physical condition. They literally manufacture these clone bodies to be better than normal people. A clone mercenary, naked, could stand toe to toe physically with the most fit people out in the universe.
Augmentation wise, we are already pumped full of nanites, that allow us to be better than even our natural bodies would allow, kill pain, and allow us to survive things that would quite literally break a mortal shell.
Generally though our clones are conditioned to be all around good, and we can already pump ourselves full of drugs to kill our lifespan to hours but make us run a bit faster. (those stamina modules for example.)
The thing you might want to suggest is a clone body that is already pre-rigged with a shield energizer, replacing useless long term organs like the stomach and guts with a small reactor, or replacing that useless layer of skin with a synth-weaved hardened layer of armor. These augmentations would be catastrophic to the body, crippling it's ability to do other things, such as running or mobility, and would relegate it's life span to a couple of hours, at best... but you could easily pay for such clone bodies to be placed into your dropsuit to augment it even further, for a price per clone.
Alot of this would have to wait until there is a market for suicidal implants, for some reason the squishy mortals never wanted to invest into things that would kill the user in a matter of hours or minutes.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:24:00 -
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now i can tell my gf i have not been sat on the sofa shooting people all day, i have been at the gym aswell.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
32
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:43:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Ooo, ooo, I know. Capsuleer clones can be augmented/enhanced right (that is what makes them really expensive right)? We could set it up where you could either buy the augmentations (if you have the money, which would be outrageously expensive) or you could just personally/hands on work a Capsuleer clone to achive near the same effect. One could be a humanist or augmentationist purist. I say near the same effect because I think that augmentations would need to be better but very expensive. But it dies and it is gone. I want a hardcore character damn it, so I can be really upset when it dies. Like someone just shot my puppy. This idea has a bit more merit, if you changed some things around. Lore wise, our bodies are already at peak physical condition. They literally manufacture these clone bodies to be better than normal people. A clone mercenary, naked, could stand toe to toe physically with the most fit people out in the universe. Augmentation wise, we are already pumped full of nanites, that allow us to be better than even our natural bodies would allow, kill pain, and allow us to survive things that would quite literally break a mortal shell. Generally though our clones are conditioned to be all around good, and we can already pump ourselves full of drugs to kill our lifespan to hours but make us run a bit faster. (those stamina modules for example.) The thing you might want to suggest is a clone body that is already pre-rigged with a shield energizer, replacing useless long term organs like the stomach and guts with a small reactor, or replacing that useless layer of skin with a synth-weaved hardened layer of armor. These augmentations would be catastrophic to the body, crippling it's ability to do other things, such as running or mobility, and would relegate it's life span to a couple of hours, at best... but you could easily pay for such clone bodies to be placed into your dropsuit to augment it even further, for a price per clone. Alot of this would have to wait until there is a market for suicidal implants, for some reason the squishy mortals never wanted to invest into things that would kill the user in a matter of hours or minutes.
This would be cool too. But I want a clone that will last as well. Perhaps we could have could do both. The idea you have detailed could be less expensive but even more powerful. The idea I have detailed could be more expensive (it's a delicate prossess) but less powerful, but can last as long as you can keep it alive.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2719
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:46:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:The idea is intriguing, but I have to admit I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it. You see, I'm Amarrian, and, well... I'm still on my first clone. Good luck with this... whatever.
Ashes to Ashes. DUST to DUST. Now you shall never go back to DUST. |
Yeva Kalsani
Reckoners
136
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:55:00 -
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Have fun getting your "real bodies" one-shotted by Forge Guns or run over by LAVs after all the training.
Oh... wait, we don't need anything else that makes people come on the forums to cry more...
Kill this idea. Kill it with fire. |
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
32
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:01:00 -
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Yeva Kalsani wrote:Have fun getting your "real bodies" one-shotted by Forge Guns or run over by LAVs after all the training.
Oh... wait, we don't need anything else that makes people come on the forums to cry more...
Kill this idea. Kill it with fire.
I do believe that the is an old saying in New Edin that goes something like: If you can't aford to loose it then don't use it... Or something like that. I am sure that somebody in the know will be along shortly to correct me. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
32
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:02:00 -
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Oops |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2722
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Posted - 2013.06.17 23:53:00 -
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Don't use what you can't afford to lose. Close enough. |
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