ok, if they only cost 250k to call in a proto HAV then you would get 10 proto tanks called in every match. and I know a proto AV fit will most def have a hard time taking out 10 pro

A good player with a PRO AV fit can easily solo an HAV.

Show me it and I'll believe it. Everytime I'm just about to get a HAV, it just drives away, tanks, comes back shoots everyone. HAV's should cost more if anything.

Besides, of course a pro av SHOULD be able to solo a HAV. That's their purpose. It would be ridiculous if half a team had to go anti-tank to take one or two tanks out. As it is now, i rarely ever see them being taken out though, as described above.

Why an HAV cost that much?
A good player in proto suit can kill like a HAV do.
A good player with a PRO AV fit can easily solo an HAV.
imo tanks should cost not more than 250 k Isk. (with a complete ftting, not the basic tank)

I personally, would say flip it around. Have Proto Suits cost the same as HAVs. I think that'd be a better solution.

Now we're talking.

Imagine if proto AV was so expensive, and the suits to equip it were so expensive, and the modules to make it effective were so expensive, that people didn't want to bring it out in public matches?

The price difference between prototype gear and advanced gear should be insanely higher than what it is now.

It alleviates the pressure on players to grind SP, too, because why grind for something you can't afford?

And that's the thing, because currently there's nothing you can't afford to run constantly except vehicles, as long as you have a decent gun game (even then, I've heard accounts of protobears bunny hopping and not returning fire at militia-geared players just for the lulz).

The ISK gap between STD and ADV gear should be large enough that ADV gear would only be run in the higher paying, higher risk contracts. (assuming one day contracts can be differentiated based on ISK rewards)

MLT gear should be dirt cheap, as it is currently, but prototype gear should only be profitable when used in PC.

A decent tank costing 1million isk plus will last at least ten times longer than a proto dropsuit that costs 200k.

Now we're talking.

Imagine if proto AV was so expensive, and the suits to equip it were so expensive, and the modules to make it effective were so expensive, that people didn't want to bring it out in public matches?

The price difference between prototype gear and advanced gear should be insanely higher than what it is now.

It alleviates the pressure on players to grind SP, too, because why grind for something you can't afford?

And that's the thing, because currently there's nothing you can't afford to run constantly except vehicles, as long as you have a decent gun game (even then, I've heard accounts of protobears bunny hopping and not returning fire at militia-geared players just for the lulz).

The ISK gap between STD and ADV gear should be large enough that ADV gear would only be run in the higher paying, higher risk contracts. (assuming one day contracts can be differentiated based on ISK rewards)

MLT gear should be dirt cheap, as it is currently, but prototype gear should only be profitable when used in PC.

Yea tanks should always cost more then a suit, because you can get OUT of a tank if it gets damaged and keep fighting. If it only cost as much as a suit then its just another layer of health on top of your suit's armor and shields.

My alt dropsuit sucks, i'm not driving a tank for a second layer of health.

@pegasis: my tank cost around 700k, proto turrets on a STD hav is like use a duvolle on STD suit.

Why an HAV cost that much?
A good player in proto suit can kill like a HAV do.
A good player with a PRO AV fit can easily solo an HAV.
imo tanks should cost not more than 250 k Isk. (with a complete ftting, not the basic tank)

Ill counter that arguement with my idea, how about Tanks should start at around 2.5m isk unfitted?

The diffrence between a PRO suit and a Tank is that Everything on the map can kill the PRO guy, while only 10% on the map can kill that tank, if thats even 10%, most of the time if i dont make an effort to kill it, the tank mostly drives around all match unpunished..raping blueberries.

If you are a good player, youll make tanks work like they are right now and make ISK running them 24/7, bad players ask for cheaper tanks as they burn trough 5 of them in one match.

Not even good players should have the ability to run Tanks 24/7, nor should infantry be able to run PRO suits 24/7, but even while ive run protosuits 24/7 from 3 weeks ingame until now i am at an ISK stack of 280m and it never goes down.

ISK is pretty worthless for buying top end gear.

Surya, i liked it when it was available, the marauders were good HAV, they worth their ISK cost.
But even marauders were not PRO they were ADV because you unlock them at lvl. 3, i know that in game when you was aiming to them you saw the word PRO.

You don't have to deal with invisible swarms and your defense are comparable to the offensinve.



I don't have a lot of problems, i can earn ISK with my tank, if you make profit running 24/7 PRO suits this mean you don't die very much, so my theory is good.

A well-equiped HAV takes multiple people rocking Proto AV to take down. Why in the hell would they price it the same as something that takes a few AR shots to kill?

OP, you need help.

Why an HAV cost that much?
A good player in proto suit can kill like a HAV do.
A good player with a PRO AV fit can easily solo an HAV.
imo tanks should cost not more than 250 k Isk. (with a complete ftting, not the basic tank)

My alt dropsuit sucks, i'm not driving a tank for a second layer of health.

The problem is you are thinking only about yourself. When making suggestions you must think about the blueberry just getting out of the academy and also of the hardcore protobear with 20 Million skillpoints and everything maxed.

If tanks are cheap and Mr. Maxed out protobear can wear full heavy proto and also use a cheap tank, basically he is spending 1 million isk to get 9x his HP. He just murders people in the tank until it gets ready to die then drops out into his fat suit and murders more people,

if he gets lucky he can recall his tank and then call for another one, thereby giving him health replenishment.

i want to hear the story of the blueberry "papa beaver"
joking apart you are right but this can happen even today

i can solo a tank with ADV swarm and STD AV nades, the one who need help is not me.

Why an HAV cost that much?
A good player in proto suit can kill like a HAV do.
A good player with a PRO AV fit can easily solo an HAV.
imo tanks should cost not more than 250 k Isk. (with a complete ftting, not the basic tank)

Why an HAV cost that much?
A good player in proto suit can kill like a HAV do.
A good player with a PRO AV fit can easily solo an HAV.
imo tanks should cost not more than 250 k Isk. (with a complete ftting, not the basic tank)

Well said iv been watching this thread but I will like to say that I dont really agree with the op's idea. My most survivable and profitable fit costs me just under 600k and I easily make at least 3-4 mill a day profit running my std gunlogi mussile fit in skirmishes. (I dont run ambush in my tanks as its far to easy) tanking can go one of two ways

1) You become copotent and self sufficient

2) You never learn from your mistakes and become an isk sink.

Now your std hav will only cost above 1 mill if you run proto turrets. If you are running proto turrets on every tank you use then you are giving up on allot of hp and will loose more tanks than a std hightank lowgank build . Proto turrets are nice if you are an experienced tanker and are willing to swap hp for raw fire power. But if you fit std turrets to your tank and bulk up your hp then youll not only notice your costs going down and your survivability increasing thusly leading to higher isk income and hopefully self sustainability.

Surya, i liked it when it was available, the marauders were good HAV, they worth their ISK cost.
But even marauders were not PRO they were ADV because you unlock them at lvl. 3, i know that in game when you was aiming to them you saw the word PRO.

A HAV costs that Much cause it its tougher then a Proto Dropsuit.

The MIL variant has roughly 2k EHP stock. With nothing else on it.

Just Imagine the Horrors of a Squad of Proto Stomping HAVs. 6 2000 EHP (Providing they Are Militia Tanks, which already cost the Amount this Crazy man thinks they should, and Providing the Driver Put Nothing on it) With 80GJ Blasters, and Armor Reps Perma-Running.

It would be Mass Hysteria.

Hundreds of People Training Swarms and HAVs, it would Leave the other Roles unfilled (Yes I know its hard to Imagine a World without the Crazy AR Rambos Frolicking about, but it could Happen.)

So...

A 600-1000 EHP Proto Dropsuit, should Cost as Much as a 2000-3750 EHP Tank? Where is your Reasoning there? Cause Tanks are weak and need a ton of vehicles to survive a single AV Lunatic

Why an HAV cost that much?
A good player in proto suit can kill like a HAV do.
A good player with a PRO AV fit can easily solo an HAV.
imo tanks should cost not more than 250 k Isk. (with a complete ftting, not the basic tank)