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Horizon Limit
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:21:00 -
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I love the heart of battle but i don't dislike good positions, if they make me work.
It will be quite boring but it has to be done.
Too many things does not work: the wheel, HAV skills, no ADV-PRO HAV, no defensive HAV, AV over powered.
OK you can find me over the hill, if you want to be with me, sign this post. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
116
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:26:00 -
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I'm against it. Just another tank noob that can't adapt to the situation. I'm sure there some pro tankers on here that can give you advice. I have seen many tankers to 8-0 and even higher (22-0). Just ask around first broski ;) |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
125
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:27:00 -
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I'm a tanker and I want to go 30-0 a game but AV is too good at what its designed to do so now I'm gonna hide and not contribute. If you find it too difficult to tank because of AV then recall your tank and help out in other ways. Legitimate logis are rare but awesome just provide ammo, revive teammates, repair teammates infantry and vehicles and I bet you get more points than sitting and hiding in the mountains. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
116
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:36:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:I'm a tanker and I want to go 30-0 a game but AV is too good at what its designed to do so now I'm gonna hide and not contribute. If you find it too difficult to tank because of AV then recall your tank and help out in other ways. Legitimate logis are rare but awesome just provide ammo, revive teammates, repair teammates infantry and vehicles and I bet you get more points than sitting and hiding in the mountains.
Yeah. I run logi and Dropships. If my Drop ship can't be at least useful. I can help out my team with ammo and repair. Working on triage nano hives  |
Horizon Limit
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
20
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:37:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:I'm against it.
Surprise, i don't care, the rest of the post just has no sense.
stlcarlos989 wrote: I bet you get more points than sitting and hiding in the mountains.
Like i wrote over but at least, your post has sense. |
oso tiburon
The Generals
EoN.
24
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:46:00 -
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best game 32 and 1 (first deat came from a railtank when i was in my heavy suit running to a letter at the begining of a game pissed me off and oh well) gunlogi at 201 fragmented launchers heavy clarity booster heavy shield extender 1 , 2 local pg expansions and a supplemental shield recharger . my bread and butter can take out boots and treads np |
oso tiburon
The Generals
EoN.
24
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:47:00 -
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oso tiburon wrote:best game 32 and 1 (first deat came from a railtank when i was in my heavy suit running to a letter at the begining of a game pissed me off and oh well) gunlogi at 201 fragmented launchers heavy clarity booster heavy shield extender 1 , 2 local pg expansions and a supplemental shield recharger . my bread and butter can take out boots and treads np
i avg about 1 tank lost every 3 matches but i agree av is a little op but meh i deal with it  |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:48:00 -
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I heard World of Tanks is a great game. |
Horizon Limit
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
21
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Posted - 2013.06.16 23:01:00 -
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I'll listen this
i don't love you, you don't love me  |
Void Echo
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
180
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Posted - 2013.06.16 23:38:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:I'm against it. Just another tank noob that can't adapt to the situation. I'm sure there some pro tankers on here that can give you advice. I have seen many tankers to 8-0 and even higher (22-0). Just ask around first broski ;)
my highest record for uprising is 41-1 |
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Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers
EoN.
407
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Posted - 2013.06.16 23:59:00 -
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In PC their is only railgun sniping.. I don't think anyone cares about tanking records against militia forge guns and swarm launchers (if they where ever even used in that match). |
Beld Errmon
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
648
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Posted - 2013.06.17 00:03:00 -
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oh pissing contest?
44/0 4000 WP
Proof
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=34foghv&s=5
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Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
128
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Posted - 2013.06.17 00:29:00 -
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No sir. Just telling him to adapt or die instead of playing hide & seek. But maybe you tank gods can give some tips on being effective. |
Beld Errmon
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
648
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Posted - 2013.06.17 00:39:00 -
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I only came for the pissing contest, only advice i have to give is examine your mistakes and learn from them. |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
Dark Taboo
124
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Posted - 2013.06.17 01:02:00 -
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You should look up Fenix and get him to teach you how to use a tank. Squaded up with him for a domination match and he called in a Vayu (you know, one of those enforcer tanks people like to say are complete trash), squad lead & I jumped in the tank with him and we made that mode true to it's name. He didn't lose a single tank that match even though we had 6-8 AV'ers and everybody with an AV grenade trying to kill the tank. Our squad got 5 OB's that match 4 of them just from the tank.
After witnessing that it affirmed my belief that the people whining about how bad tanks are just don't know how to use them.
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Cy Clone1
Ill Omens
EoN.
20
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Posted - 2013.06.17 01:21:00 -
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Horizon Limit wrote:I love the heart of battle but i don't dislike good positions, if they make me work.
It will be quite boring but it has to be done.
Too many things does not work: the wheel, HAV skills, no ADV-PRO HAV, no defensive HAV, AV over powered.
OK you can find me over the hill, if you want to be with me, sign this post.
You honestly are just bad at this game. I have had games going 56-0 using an armor tank with a blaster, had just over 4000 armor and a ton of damage mods. its honestly a matter of being aware of enemies around you and keeping teammates close. But I will enjoy killing you from your redline. Enjoy losing expensive vehicles and only getting a few kills. |
Dale Templar
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
134
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Posted - 2013.06.17 01:27:00 -
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AV overpowered? You just haven't got the right fitting bro, I've seen a corpmates tank survive Proto Swarms and AV's like noones business, invest in hardeners... |
Rusty Shaklefurd
Couch Legion
74
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Posted - 2013.06.17 01:28:00 -
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LOL
taking ball.... going home!!!
QQ |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
192
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Posted - 2013.06.17 01:36:00 -
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Horizon Limit wrote:I love the heart of battle but i don't dislike good positions, if they make me work.
It will be quite boring but it has to be done.
Too many things does not work: the wheel, HAV skills, no ADV-PRO HAV, no defensive HAV, AV over powered.
OK you can find me over the hill, if you want to be with me, sign this post.
You know rather than bitching out like half the HAVer do these days you could just stay in the middle of the fight and kick ass....just saying.... |
Felix Faraday
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
84
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Posted - 2013.06.17 01:43:00 -
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Quote:EDIT: Another thing, people saying tanks are bad are also probably trying to solo with it. Now I'm not saying Fenix couldn't have done so great by himself but it certainly help having two crew members keeping an eye out for forges & swarms and not afraid to jump out to kill people that got close enough to use AV grenades.
This.
Having even just 1 smart person running with you makes tanks so much harder to kill (spoken from the AV point of view). |
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Princeps Marcellus
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2013.06.17 01:50:00 -
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I'd say that while proto AV has the advantage right now, it's not so horrible that it's impossible to deal with even as a Good tanker. That is, Good tankers can deal with situations that involve proto AV and organised AV and even orbital bombardments.
Well, this is all the case until a blueberry gets into your tank and refuses to get out when you need to recall your tank.... |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
76
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Posted - 2013.06.17 03:40:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:I'm a tanker and I want to go 30-0 a game but AV is too good at what its designed to do so now I'm gonna hide and not contribute. If you find it too difficult to tank because of AV then recall your tank and help out in other ways. Legitimate logis are rare but awesome just provide ammo, revive teammates, repair teammates infantry and vehicles and I bet you get more points than sitting and hiding in the mountains.
If you can't use the skills you have 8 million SP in, you should run full militia gear and be useless!
That's what you just suggested he do. That's ********.
Rail sniping is the only "safe" way to tank nowadays. I advice focusing on RDVs. They give 180 points with a squad defense order on the tank and then pop whatever they dropped. Easy WP.
Princeps Marcellus wrote:I'd say that while proto AV has the advantage right now, it's not so horrible that it's impossible to deal with even as a Good tanker. That is, Good tankers can deal with situations that involve proto AV and organised AV and even orbital bombardments.
Well, this is all the case until a blueberry gets into your tank and refuses to get out when you need to recall your tank....
It is so horrible that it's ALMOST impossible to deal with. Check HAV usage in PC. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
674
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Posted - 2013.06.17 03:46:00 -
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Rail sniping...Mcc sniping... Red Line sniping...these things are all endorsed by the people who make the game. Even the ones who promote these tactics through video and other means to teach others how to do it as well.... get a pat on the back by DEV's.
So these tactics and the ability to do them are going no where, they are a part of the game, as they have been for a long time now....... |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
25
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Posted - 2013.06.17 03:53:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:I'm a tanker and I want to go 30-0 a game but AV is too good at what its designed to do so now I'm gonna hide and not contribute. If you find it too difficult to tank because of AV then recall your tank and help out in other ways. Legitimate logis are rare but awesome just provide ammo, revive teammates, repair teammates infantry and vehicles and I bet you get more points than sitting and hiding in the mountains.
Lol yes^ and im an assault and even i provide ammo |
Pent'noir
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2013.06.17 03:59:00 -
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thats okay, i'm more than willing to do suicide runs into redzones to find ya. |
Void Echo
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
182
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Posted - 2013.06.17 06:01:00 -
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Princeps Marcellus wrote:Well, this is all the case until a blueberry gets into your tank and refuses to get out when you need to recall your tank....
I ******* hate when that happens... |
Horizon Limit
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
23
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Posted - 2013.06.17 06:15:00 -
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Cy Clone1 wrote:
But I will enjoy killing you from your redline.
You are welcome |
bigolenuts
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
32
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Posted - 2013.06.17 06:42:00 -
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Come on out of the red line guys. It won't hurt long.
If you don't come out. I'll come back there and get you. I see a couple of HAV guys I've done this to already lol |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
507
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:20:00 -
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Okay, I'm a tanker, and probably one of the better ones.
Are vehicles horribly underpowered- no; I manage to go 25:0 in pubs and 12:0 in PC most of the time, unless I'm stuck dealing with other tanks.
Is AV OP- For the most part, I'm gonna have to say no on that one. Sure, AV nades punch well above their ISK cost and perhaps need a price increase of 400%, but their limited range is a huge weakness. If I run scanners and put a buffer of infantry between me and the enemy, I never get hit with them. And forge guns, though quite powerful, are pretty hard to use. I urge any tanker to try and hit something with them. Are they very, very powerful compared to turrets- probably, but when you consider you can snipe them from 600m away with a OHK, and they need to be 300m away in a slow suit, it evens out. Swarms are rather stupid in my opinion because they require zero skill to use and completely wreck armor tanks. They might be the only ones that need a damage reduction of perhaps 15%- why they got the 10% if beyond me, in the first place.
The biggest problems with tanks are:
*Targets not rendering past 300m; my rail can do twice that, but my eyes can't.
*A lack of ADV and PRO tanks to counter the huge amount of damage that PRO AV does- I've been hit by swarms that did 9860 damage (I saw it on the screen after I blew up), 3 AV grenades in a moment that do 6000 damage (not including armor bonus dmg), and proto breaches (which have a dps comparable to rails last build with 3 dmg mods and maxed out skills). We need these ADV and PRO HAVs to defend against the AV, and AV CANNOT GET A BUFF when they are introduced, or tanks become even more of an SP and ISK sink. AV needs to stay the way it is before and after we get pro and ADv tanks.
*An imbalance between armor and shield in tank on tank combat (I'm sure you've all seen the threads)
If I had any say in it, new tanks would be as such:
STD LVL:
type 1) high dmg and acceleration, but low HP
type 2) high dmg and high hp, but low accleration
type 3) high hp and acceleration, but low dmg
ADV
type 1) high dmg and acceleration, but low HP
type 2) high dmg and high hp, but low accleration
type 3) high hp and acceleration, but low dmg
PRO
type 1) high dmg and acceleration, but low HP
type 2) high dmg and high hp, but low accleration
type 3) high hp and acceleration, but low dmg
OFFICER
-god mode-
(notice how none of the above favor glass cannons, and all have an inherent weakness to exploit, as the weaknesses are very exaggerated- a 28% reduction to that specifc stat, while the other two get a 16% buff)
Now, every race would take into account their personal flavors. For instance, a minmitar type 1 tank, would be fast than a minmitar type 2, but a minmitar type 2, would not be fast than an amarr or caldari type 1. Scaling up every level, tanks would increase base HP by 350 points, and get another high and low slot, so if a STD LVL tank has 5 high, 2 low, an ADV would have 6 high, 3 low; PRO would be 7 high, 4 low. The base HP raise is so low, because it provides more ability to customize, as one could stack 7 damage mods on a tank, but they would have around 3000 HP. I could also have a tank with a top speed of 50mph if nano-fibers were re-introduced. This idea is so great because a proto tanks does not necessarily have to be the death-machine than just sits somewhere- it can be anything!
Char likes customization and brainstorming. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1640
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:38:00 -
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Main thing that doesn't work: blueberries
I ran a blaster HAV fit today. First, the 2 gunners I had shot at every inanimate object on the map, but couldn't hit a red.
Also when AVers went after me, my team didn't do **** to try killing them. Yet another reason I hate snipers (the players, not the play style)- they COULD help the team by sniping the extremely obvious AVer, but ofc they won't. |
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