The pilot dropsuit will obviously be a poor infantry suit with a low amount of slots so its meant to be inside a vehical, as the name suggest. However, if these bonuses they add to vehicals are not worth the SP sink then the suit will be worthless as whole. The bonuses to vehical must be heavy, 5% increase to HP per level will not be enough at all.

For instance, a gunlogi has 3250 sheilds. 25% of that is 812.5 and with how hardcore AV is that is a joke. even a 50% buff is extremely minor, a standard forge or swarm can match a %)% bonus with damage mods and some proficiency. In EVE ships often revived enormous bonuses like 100-500% increase to stat X. With assult forgeguns doing over 2000 damage a shot i would assume that a 100% increase to vehicals HP would be barely efficient. That doubling a tanks primary tanking HP is minimal of what a fully skilled Pilot Dropsuit should do for its vehical. Im sure itl do other things as well but for Vehical tanking ability, 100% looks about right. Opinions?

I've said this tons of times, but the stat boost must also be big enough to make up for the much higher chance of getting shot out of your LAV

Also, the vehicle with the pilot suit should be much better off than the vehicle with a heavy that jumps out and kills AVers with a high-tier HMG.

I've said this tons of times, but the stat boost must also be big enough to make up for the much higher chance of getting shot out of your LAV

Also, the vehicle with the pilot suit should be much better off than the vehicle with a heavy that jumps out and kills AVers with a high-tier HMG.

It depends on the bonuses given. For example it could be something like decreasing the spawn time for a vehicle set. It's completely unknown at this point. However I don't think Eve is a good place to draw numbers from due to it not having an infantry element. Without infantry having effective AV, then there is little point to skill into infantry.

It depends on the bonuses given. For example it could be something like decreasing the spawn time for a vehicle set. It's completely unknown at this point. However I don't think Eve is a good place to draw numbers from due to it not having an infantry element. Without infantry having effective AV, then there is little point to skill into infantry.

How is +25% hp bonus useless? Thats the difference of being one shot and being able to take another. Makes retreating or staying in engagements a little easier if you're built like a truck.

Suit bonuses arent suppose to be overwhelming.

If you intend to be a pilot, I'm sure most people will roll as one simply because you'll benefit 1000x more than using an infantry boosted Dropsuit.

Yes, all vehical users will use this suit no matter how weak it will most likely be. It is an advantage and all vehical users (with the exception of the lavs) need all the help they can get because vehicals are very underpowered to AV. The pilot suit has the ability to balance this issuie rather than "make a vehical survive one more shot" < - - - -(and prolly get blown up anyways)

If it gives a significant bonus to vehicles then it should also be REQUIRED to operate any non militia vehicles and have no weapon slots.

How about no because in order to not be destroyed by someone looking at you funny, vehicles are already required to use the best shells and modules available. When you raise that level of pre-req for everyone just to survive an extra half second it really cuts down on variety and flavor in the game.

Or in other words: Everyone who's specd into vehicles right now already faces needing 6-12 million SP and 1-3 million ISK per vehicle. Why the hell should a new suit designed to benefit them, only add to their ridiculous requirements and simultaneously cut out the versatility of players who may wish to spec a bit into vehicles without going full-****** like us masochistic ISK bleeding morons?

TC, all I'm really reading is an I want vehicles to be more resistant to AV sentiment, that comes off needless tacked on to a thread about the pilot dropsuit.

The pilot dropsuit will obviously be a poor infantry suit with a low amount of slots so its meant to be inside a vehical, as the name suggest. However, if these bonuses they add to vehicals are not worth the SP sink then the suit will be worthless as whole. The bonuses to vehical must be heavy, 5% increase to HP per level will not be enough at all.

For instance, a gunlogi has 3250 sheilds. 25% of that is 812.5 and with how hardcore AV is that is a joke. even a 50% buff is extremely minor, a standard forge or swarm can match a %)% bonus with damage mods and some proficiency. In EVE ships often revived enormous bonuses like 100-500% increase to stat X. With assult forgeguns doing over 2000 damage a shot i would assume that a 100% increase to vehicals HP would be barely efficient. That doubling a tanks primary tanking HP is minimal of what a fully skilled Pilot Dropsuit should do for its vehical. Im sure itl do other things as well but for Vehical tanking ability, 100% looks about right. Opinions?

Anything "better" is just a waste because those extra slots, CPU, and PG won't help your vehicle at all. As a light suit, they wouldn't even make you survive much longer outside of your vehicle.

It seems like every smart pilot will max the suit spec, then wear the standard suit to keep costs low.

The interesting part of the pilot dropsuit to me is this:

Consider every other specialization (Caldari Assault, Minmatar Logistics, whatever). After you've maxed the spec, you get the full-passive effect even if you're wearing the standard suit.

For infantry, your dropsuit is part of your efficacy, and so it still matters what kind of suit you use.

If you pilot suit is giving you passives to a vehicle, and the you're weak as a kitten outside of it.... why would you ever use the proto or advanced suits?

The standard suit will give you every bonus you need after you've maxed the skill, and a couple of k worth of ISK. Anything "better" is just a waste because those extra slots, CPU, and PG won't help your vehicle at all. As a light suit, they wouldn't even make you survive much longer outside of your vehicle.

It seems like every smart pilot will max the suit spec, then wear the standard suit to keep costs low.

A 50% PG bonus with proto pilot maxed out would be good.

If it gives a significant bonus to vehicles then it should also be REQUIRED to operate any non militia vehicles and have no weapon slots.

The pilot dropsuit will obviously be a poor infantry suit with a low amount of slots so its meant to be inside a vehical, as the name suggest. However, if these bonuses they add to vehicals are not worth the SP sink then the suit will be worthless as whole. The bonuses to vehical must be heavy, 5% increase to HP per level will not be enough at all.

For instance, a gunlogi has 3250 sheilds. 25% of that is 812.5 and with how hardcore AV is that is a joke. even a 50% buff is extremely minor, a standard forge or swarm can match a %)% bonus with damage mods and some proficiency. In EVE ships often revived enormous bonuses like 100-500% increase to stat X. With assult forgeguns doing over 2000 damage a shot i would assume that a 100% increase to vehicals HP would be barely efficient. That doubling a tanks primary tanking HP is minimal of what a fully skilled Pilot Dropsuit should do for its vehical. Im sure itl do other things as well but for Vehical tanking ability, 100% looks about right. Opinions?

No matter how minor the bonus may be, it'll be the last suit I ever wear.

chalk to the brim with militia bpo items or empty slots to keep additional costs down as well.

The pilot dropsuit will obviously be a poor infantry suit with a low amount of slots so its meant to be inside a vehical, as the name suggest. However, if these bonuses they add to vehicals are not worth the SP sink then the suit will be worthless as whole. The bonuses to vehical must be heavy, 5% increase to HP per level will not be enough at all.

For instance, a gunlogi has 3250 sheilds. 25% of that is 812.5 and with how hardcore AV is that is a joke. even a 50% buff is extremely minor, a standard forge or swarm can match a %)% bonus with damage mods and some proficiency. In EVE ships often revived enormous bonuses like 100-500% increase to stat X. With assult forgeguns doing over 2000 damage a shot i would assume that a 100% increase to vehicals HP would be barely efficient. That doubling a tanks primary tanking HP is minimal of what a fully skilled Pilot Dropsuit should do for its vehical. Im sure itl do other things as well but for Vehical tanking ability, 100% looks about right. Opinions?

The pilot dropsuit will obviously be a poor infantry suit with a low amount of slots so its meant to be inside a vehical, as the name suggest. However, if these bonuses they add to vehicals are not worth the SP sink then the suit will be worthless as whole. The bonuses to vehical must be heavy, 5% increase to HP per level will not be enough at all.

For instance, a gunlogi has 3250 sheilds. 25% of that is 812.5 and with how hardcore AV is that is a joke. even a 50% buff is extremely minor, a standard forge or swarm can match a %)% bonus with damage mods and some proficiency. In EVE ships often revived enormous bonuses like 100-500% increase to stat X. With assult forgeguns doing over 2000 damage a shot i would assume that a 100% increase to vehicals HP would be barely efficient. That doubling a tanks primary tanking HP is minimal of what a fully skilled Pilot Dropsuit should do for its vehical. Im sure itl do other things as well but for Vehical tanking ability, 100% looks about right. Opinions?