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Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:22:00 -
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This is me being serious. What is shown below is simply a reminder of your inefficiencies.
For players, this game is close to being as unstable as those bad days in the New York Stock Exchange. You don't seem to understand that the current level of game development at your offices is downright mediocre. Regardless of any potential limitations your staff may be facing, it doesn't change the fact that these were allowed to occur:
*Framerate issues are still present after 1 year. Other FPS games should have overcome this in a shorter timeframe with the current staff they have.
*Responsiveness to resolving key issues is one of the longest (if not the worst) in game development, usually being 3-5 months, doing improper tweaking, and then producing additional problems. See Examples:
-Dropship missiles too strong? After 5 months of terror, damage is lowered AND its splash radius. -Lasers are too strong? "Let's wait 4-5 months to tweak their damage values." -HMGs are still good? "Let's further lower the damage and see what happens, heavy class is supposed to be point defense right?" -Marauder tanks are not finished? "Let's remove them entirely for now and put in place Enforcer tanks, their lower Health\CPU\PG makes sense" (later on a health buff had to be implemented... and now LAVs are a true murder taxi) -DS3 aiming was fine but then... "We feel that further tweaks may be necessary to controls to give our players a better experience." (Uprising finally launches, along with one of worst control systems in recent months of gaming. These changes were never reverted to Chromosome settings and a fix is not coming anytime soon as usual.)
There's probably more to note, but I'll leave it there. Now here's the stuff that Dust is lacking:
*Various (FUN and strategic) game modes.
*An aggressive style gameplay.
*Better maneuverability when traversing the area (seriously, I can't climb over some crates or mover metal railings.
*Diverse map layouts; we're still fighting in the middle of nowhere on very familiar surroundings. When can we fight to secure a city or large facilities? (Not talking about FW districts)
*Weapon customization. Currently there's none and it was supposed to be a high priority.
*Interactive environment. We only have installations... where are the lock mechanisms for opening/closing gates, a protective shielding over a strategic location, hidden loot around the map (I thought Dust was an MMO), and what about environmental hazards (traps) that can be activated by a player?
Ok, I feel a little tired so I'll take a small break and post more a bit later xP |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
362
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:30:00 -
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Or how its taken 2 months to implement the range fix? And then I can only imagine another 2 months per iteration until its finally ready to go, right when PS4 drops and this game becomes irrelevant |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
445
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:33:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:This is me being serious. What is shown below is simply a reminder of your inefficiencies. For players, this game is close to being as unstable as those bad days in the New York Stock Exchange. You don't seem to understand that the current level of game development at your offices is downright mediocre. Regardless of any potential limitations your staff may be facing, it doesn't change the fact that these were allowed to occur: *Framerate issues are still present after 1 year. Other FPS games should have overcome this in a shorter timeframe with the current staff they have. *Responsiveness to resolving key issues is one of the longest (if not the worst) in game development, usually being 3-5 months, doing improper tweaking, and then producing additional problems. See Examples: -Dropship missiles too strong? After 5 months of terror, damage is lowered AND its splash radius. -Lasers are too strong? "Let's wait 4-5 months to tweak their damage values." -HMGs are still good? "Let's further lower the damage and see what happens, heavy class is supposed to be point defense right?" -Marauder tanks are not finished? "Let's remove them entirely for now and put in place Enforcer tanks, their lower Health\CPU\PG makes sense" (later on a health buff had to be implemented... and now LAVs are a true murder taxi) -DS3 aiming was fine but then... "We feel that further tweaks may be necessary to controls to give our players a better experience." (Uprising finally launches, along with one of worst control systems in recent months of gaming. These changes were never reverted to Chromosome settings and a fix is not coming anytime soon as usual.) There's probably more to note, but I'll leave it there. Now here's the stuff that Dust is lacking: *Various (FUN and strategic) game modes. *An aggressive style gameplay. *Better maneuverability when traversing the area (seriously, I can't climb over some crates or mover metal railings. *Diverse map layouts; we're still fighting in the middle of nowhere on very familiar surroundings. When can we fight to secure a city or large facilities? (Not talking about FW districts) *Weapon customization. Currently there's none and it was supposed to be a high priority. *Interactive environment. We only have installations... where are the lock mechanisms for opening/closing gates, a protective shielding over a strategic location, hidden loot around the map (I thought Dust was an MMO), and what about environmental hazards (traps) that can be activated by a player? Ok, I feel a little tired so I'll take a small break and post more a bit later xP
Stability has been better, do you not remember being disconnected every other game? Frame rates have improved considerably compared to what they were during closed beta. They were creating a new build of the game and yes it will cause more problems because real world practice is totally different that in house testing.
I could keep going but I was just be called a fan boy, no one thinks anymore or looks at the progress we have made. I am frustraded also with progress but posting inaccurate information that is not based off of facts doesn't help at all. If you are going to bring up problems then you should consider the whole story instead of what you think has happened. All of the items you listed are problems but we have made progress and the game is better than what it was.
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Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
298
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:35:00 -
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I'm not even going to bother arguing with the OP on this one. |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
264
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:45:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Stability has been better, do you not remember being disconnected every other game? Frame rates have improved considerably compared to what they were during closed beta. They were creating a new build of the game and yes it will cause more problems because real world practice is totally different that in house testing.
I could keep going but I was just be called a fan boy, no one thinks anymore or looks at the progress we have made. I am frustraded also with progress but posting inaccurate information that is not based off of facts doesn't help at all. If you are going to bring up problems then you should consider the whole story instead of what you think has happened. All of the items you listed are problems but we have made progress and the game is better than what it was.
I just said I'm being serious, any ideas posted by others I'll take in consideration and perhaps discuss it.
Stability HAS indeed improved but most of us still get disconnected or get internal error.
Framerate is still an issue as I mentioned and in rare cases it can go as bad as 2 fps.
Lastly, most of my information IS accurate. As for progress, the fixes and tweaks are occurring at a snails pace. |
Lilah Silverstone
The Arrow Project
97
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:52:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:I'm not even going to bother arguing with the OP on this one.
I didn't even bother reading it. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
75
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:54:00 -
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This dev team (im not calling them CCP they've lost that title) has lost there way
What ever happened to giving the players the tools and standing back to see what they did with them
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3796
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:55:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:What ever happened to giving the players the tools and standing back to see what they did with them
AFK happened |
sammus420
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
93
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:00:00 -
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A lot of the reason it takes so long to make changes is because Sony won't let them push a patch out every day unless they want to shell out a big ol' pile of money. So they put all the fixes together into one big update with a bunch of broken new stuff that's untested because they don't play their own game, then they push that patch out. |
Avallo Kantor
DUST University Ivy League
50
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:22:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:*Framerate issues are still present after 1 year. Other FPS games should have overcome this in a shorter timeframe with the current staff they have. *Responsiveness to resolving key issues is one of the longest (if not the worst) in game development, usually being 3-5 months, doing improper tweaking, and then producing additional problems. See Examples: -Dropsuit fitting bug fixed months later. -Dropship missiles too strong? After 5 months of terror, damage is lowered AND its splash radius. -Lasers are too strong? "Let's wait 4-5 months to tweak their damage values." -HMGs are still good? "Let's further lower the damage and see what happens, heavy class is supposed to be point defense right?" -Marauder tanks are not finished? "Let's remove them entirely for now and put in place Enforcer tanks, their lower Health\CPU\PG makes sense" (later on a health buff had to be implemented... and now LAVs are a true murder taxi) -DS3 aiming was fine but then... "We feel that further tweaks may be necessary to controls to give our players a better experience." (Uprising finally launches, along with one of worst control systems in recent months of gaming. These changes were never reverted to Chromosome settings and a fix is not coming anytime soon as usual.) There's probably more to note, but I'll leave it there. Now here's the stuff that Dust is lacking: *Various (FUN and strategic) game modes. *An aggressive style gameplay. *Better maneuverability when traversing the area (seriously, I can't climb over some crates or move over metal railings. *Diverse map layouts; we're still fighting in the middle of nowhere on very familiar surroundings. When can we fight to secure a city or large facilities? (Not talking about FW districts) *Weapon customization. Currently there's none and it was supposed to be a high priority. *Interactive environment. We only have installations... where are the lock mechanisms for opening/closing gates, a protective shielding over a strategic location, hidden loot around the map (I thought Dust was an MMO), and what about environmental hazards (traps) that can be activated by a player? It's nice that you all want to try to link Dust to EVE so that in the future we get an interesting game experience but all of those efforts will be in vain if you don't polish the core mechanics of this game. PS4 is coming soon along with a few popular Free to Play shooters and WiiU is soon to get the return of 2 game juggernaughts (we all know what are they). If Dust doesn't greatly improve by then, I'm afraid this game will start loosing a considerable amount of it's playerbase.
I believe the reason many of these balance fixes are taking so long is because CCP does not often take just the word of the players on the forums into consideration for balance. This is mostly because you can look at any forum for any game and there will be calls for "OP" weapons to be nerfed and "UP" things to be buffed. I'm sure if Pong had a forum that it would have people posting for nerfing right or left side. That's not to say many of these concerns are invalid or wrong, in my opinion many of the concerns raised on balance have been quite accurate, but it's never in the best interest of a company to do whiplash balancing as it may do more harm than good.
CCP takes the approach of carefully monitoring the game (through some sort of metrics) over a period of many weeks to make sure that this claim is valid, and that can often be more difficult than one could initially predict. It's not a simple matter that weapon A and B should do the same damage, it's a game where Weapon A does more damage at Range X and damages Shields A% and Armor B% but at range Y only does... etc etc while Weapon B has completely different optimal ranges, damage types, etc. Not to mention that you have to take into consideration the other factors of what a player is doing in the system. Is the situation in question a really good player against a bad one, is it a situation where the "OP" weapon is simply in it's best environment while Weapon B is in it's worst? There's also other aspects to consider as well, if more players are running around in Shield tanked dropsuits, is a weapon that does more damage to shield necessarily OP compared to the weapon that does more damage to armor tanks? Often times the game's math for balancing is a bit more complicated than making a weapon that has Fire rate X and damage per shot of Y and another that has Damage per shot of Y and fire rate X to make them be equivalent damage.
Also, based on my experience in EVE online the Devs consider balance from more of a Rock Paper Scissors approach, they build things (or try to) by making one thing have a weakness that is countered by a weapon and a strength that counters another weapon. Any attempts to nerf Rock must be balanced by making sure it just doesn't make Scissors an unstoppable powerhouse and Paper a useless joke.
As to your other points:
I always think more game modes would be fun, and I hope whatever they add will be modes I wouldn't normally see in an FPS. Something that tries to play to the notions of permanence and long term meaning rather than a throw away capture a flag match that never changes anything.
As for the gameplay style, I think DUST tries to have longer gun fights with more survivability (if you spec into it) which is more of a style decisions and up to personal taste.
To be Continued
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
266
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:26:00 -
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sammus420 wrote:A lot of the reason it takes so long to make changes is because Sony won't let them push a patch out every day unless they want to shell out a big ol' pile of money. So they put all the fixes together into one big update with a bunch of broken new stuff that's untested because they don't play their own game, then they push that patch out.
I'm ok with the large quantity of fixes provided in one large update later on (new content, the stuff that takes up a chunk of my PS3 space), but what I don't seem to understand is why can't they provide a hotfix that would just give tweaks to stat values in a week or so when it was necessary. Kind of like that one time when we got new sounds, but due to some bugs the changes were reverted in a day or two. |
Avallo Kantor
DUST University Ivy League
50
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:26:00 -
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I also agree with better maneuverability, within reason. There are some railings that should be jumped over, and others I find I can accidentally walk over without even jumping. I'm also a big component for having slight fluxations of gravity for each planet so not all of them have -exactly- earth gravity.
As for the map layouts more diversity will come in time, and with each additional slot and mesh they add they'll be able to expand the number of different maps much faster than just adding standard pre-made maps.
As for hidden loot around the map, I am strongly against that, as I think it doesn't make sense, and isn't appropriate for this game. The random salvage at the end of the match more or less already does this, and just randomly spawning valuable weapons all around a map just doesn't make sense in the lore, or from the goals that DUST is trying to get to.
Also, I never have frame rate or lag issues unless I play for more than 2 hours. And then it's fine if I just shut off my PS3 for like 30 min. |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
270
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:40:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:CCP takes the approach of carefully monitoring the game (through some sort of metrics) over a period of many weeks to make sure that this claim is valid, and that can often be more difficult than one could initially predict. It's not a simple matter that weapon A and B should do the same damage, it's a game where Weapon A does more damage at Range X and damages Shields A% and Armor B% but at range Y only does... etc etc while Weapon B has completely different optimal ranges, damage types, etc. Not to mention that you have to take into consideration the other factors of what a player is doing in the system. Is the situation in question a really good player against a bad one, is it a situation where the "OP" weapon is simply in it's best environment while Weapon B is in it's worst? There's also other aspects to consider as well, if more players are running around in Shield tanked dropsuits, is a weapon that does more damage to shield necessarily OP compared to the weapon that does more damage to armor tanks? Often times the game's math for balancing is a bit more complicated than making a weapon that has Fire rate X and damage per shot of Y and another that has Damage per shot of Y and fire rate X to make them be equivalent damage.
As for hidden loot around the map, I am strongly against that, as I think it doesn't make sense, and isn't appropriate for this game. The random salvage at the end of the match more or less already does this, and just randomly spawning valuable weapons all around a map just doesn't make sense in the lore, or from the goals that DUST is trying to get to.
*Bold part* ok.
I brought up the HMG nerf issue because even now most good players run shield tanked suits that if confroned by an HMG, the Heavy would have been the one to likely die. On the laser issue, some devs already mentioned that its stats were not supposed to be that high but they simply took too long to correct it's values. Now if what you're saying is correct, they why did the TAC AR start out in Uprising with very high damage + high RoF + insanely high range when all it previously needed was a fix in recoil? Thankfully this weapon is now performing as it should be.
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
447
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:43:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Stability has been better, do you not remember being disconnected every other game? Frame rates have improved considerably compared to what they were during closed beta. They were creating a new build of the game and yes it will cause more problems because real world practice is totally different that in house testing.
I could keep going but I was just be called a fan boy, no one thinks anymore or looks at the progress we have made. I am frustraded also with progress but posting inaccurate information that is not based off of facts doesn't help at all. If you are going to bring up problems then you should consider the whole story instead of what you think has happened. All of the items you listed are problems but we have made progress and the game is better than what it was.
I just said I'm being serious, any ideas posted by others I'll take in consideration and perhaps discuss it. Stability HAS indeed improved but most of us still get disconnected or get internal error. Framerate is still an issue as I mentioned and in rare cases it can go as bad as 2 fps. Lastly, most of my information IS accurate. As for progress, the fixes and tweaks are occurring at a snails pace.
The snails pace is the worst thing and the kick in the teeth they called release. I would have kept the beta tag till all suits were in. I could live with the weapons but the suits hurt. Inaccurate was a bad choice of words for me, you are correct and I just didn't use the best word. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
364
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:43:00 -
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I have a problem with bringing new things in while so may core things are still in such bad shape.
The Amarr Templar event bothered me. |
dday3six
Intrepidus XI Omega Commission
5
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Posted - 2013.06.15 01:04:00 -
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sammus420 wrote:A lot of the reason it takes so long to make changes is because Sony won't let them push a patch out every day unless they want to shell out a big ol' pile of money. So they put all the fixes together into one big update with a bunch of broken new stuff that's untested because they don't play their own game, then they push that patch out.
I remember reading something about the reason Dust was a Playstation exclusive was because Sony cut a deal with CCP about the cost of patches. Also hotfixes, basically the ability to change numbers in the game (i.e. weapon X did Y amount of damage, now it does Z) are able to be implemented during updates on Tuesdays without paying the cost for a patch. I know that ME3 made extensive usage of it for weapons and class balancing. |
DustisDead
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.06.15 01:28:00 -
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I found this round table covering most of what you are speaking about
Its mostly ccp pretorian and ccp nullabor |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2013.06.15 01:36:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:This dev team (im not calling them CCP they've lost that title) has lost there way
What ever happened to giving the players the tools and standing back to see what they did with them
Lost their way or in their way?
Still curious to hear what this staff restructure will bring. |
sammus420
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
96
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Posted - 2013.06.15 01:40:00 -
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dday3six wrote:Also hotfixes, basically the ability to change numbers in the game (i.e. weapon X did Y amount of damage, now it does Z) are able to be implemented during updates on Tuesdays without paying the cost for a patch. I know that ME3 made extensive usage of it for weapons and class balancing.
That's right, but they still can't roll out majorly game changing stuff without a new client build, which seems that most of the bugs require. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
364
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Posted - 2013.06.15 01:56:00 -
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sammus420 wrote:That's right, but they still can't roll out majorly game changing stuff without a new client build, which seems that most of the bugs require.
Its really too bad that hacking is such a problem on the PC... Sony forcing them to pay huge amounts and us to wait months for bug fixes is really hurting this game.
This game could be incredible on the PC. |
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