DUST Search - SHOTGUNS NEED A NERF

Draco Cerberus wrote:

D legendary hero wrote:

Commander Crispy wrote:

I really don't care what u people think.shotguns need a nerf.not be a 1 hit kill.Nerf them.and a lot of other weapons need a nerf.

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ARs need a nerf. But your skills need a buff, like your face. hahaha seriously, this made my day.

shotguns and everything else actually need a buff. have you seen the kill feeds in any given match? 90% are ARs before and after the TAC nerf. the server kill counts by weapon show that ARs acount for more than 75% of all kills, next is orbitals and then everything else. HTFU

Just because 90% of players use an AR does not mean it needs a nerf, it just means they jumped at a chance for some range with their weapon in this build. If you look at the kill feed from my pub matches, the majority of the time I will drop a person with either a grenade or a blueprint assault rifle. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the AR doesn't need a nerf because I kill a large number of people with it (depressingly low KDR) but because it is meant to be an easy and reliable weapon for any noob to use. One that has less range than a Scrambler or Sniper rifle and one that unless it is skilled into it still will not decimate, contrary to popular belief from people saving money fitting by using militia gear when they can quite clearly use Officer level gear just as easily.


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Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1406	Posted - 2013.06.12 15:09:00 - [1] - Quote If you're letting a shotgunner get close enough to kill you, that's on you.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1407	Posted - 2013.06.12 15:21:00 - [2] - Quote Commander Crispy wrote: dont matter they need a nerf at close ranged.in gneral it needs a nerf.i should not have to run away.fight him head on in close range.like i said the shotgun needs a big nerf.and a few other things in this game the need a nerf weapons are not that well balance in this game. I'm going to try to say this as nice as possible: Please learn how to play Dust 514. This isn't just a generic FPS where everyone has the same HP and everything does the same damage. There's a deep layer of metagaming involving niche play styles and you need to respect those niche play styles by learning how to properly counter them instead of coming on the forum and crying for nerfs. That shotgunner put a lot of practice and trial and error to learn how even get within his effective range to kill you efficiently. The least you can do is acknowlege that "Hey, that shotgunner was pretty good" and respawn to show them that you're better. But instead we're repeating the same goddamned mistakes that we did since closed beta because people never want to learn this game. This is why everything gets nerfed into the ground and quite frankly, newer content is coming into the game pre-nerfed to spare your tears. PS: Shotguns were already nerfed in Uprising 1.0...
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1415	Posted - 2013.06.12 15:58:00 - [3] - Quote Ops Fox wrote: While Im against a nerf I am against thing the current OHK Shotgun does not need a more spread, maybe if we got a non-OHK minmatar shotgun then that would be ideal for a lots of close quarters with high spread, Stand in a room empty 3 or 4 shells(maybe 5 for heavies) and walk away. Minmatar shotgun should operate like a 12 gauge. Gallente shotty is kind of like a sawed off, but we should get a mid ranged lower spread shotty as well.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1441	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:54:00 - [4] - Quote Since we're talking about bad hit detection here's a protip for shotgunners: Train yourself to compensate for hit box latency. It's not as drastic as my example, but there's a bit of latency that clocks in at a few fractions of a second that can help with landing hits. As long as you get ~half of your marker on someone, it'll still register as a direct hit. This is especially useful when someone tries to strafe and even more drastic when back pedaling since you move faster than you would laterally.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1442	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:21:00 - [5] - Quote At this point, I'm more afraid of Minmatar scouts with nova knives than any other scouts with a shotty. It's like fighting Nightcrawler from the begging of X-2...
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1445	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:45:00 - [6] - Quote Commander Crispy wrote: I really don't care what u people think.shotguns need a nerf.not be a 1 hit kill.Nerf them.and a lot of other weapons need a nerf. A Try making a MLT scout suit with a shotty and give it a try and see how OP they are... Also, everything except the AR has been nerfed to the levels of novelty compared to the AR this build. You would have been really pissed in Chromosome when the MD actually worked.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1445	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:51:00 - [7] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Commander Crispy wrote: I really don't care what u people think.shotguns need a nerf.not be a 1 hit kill.Nerf them.and a lot of other weapons need a nerf. A ARs should be first on that list, but then again, that's what you use right, so that can't need a nerf? ARs just got another ninja buff since the TAC AR got a love tap from the nerf bat. I can't put my finger on it, but I want to say they have less dispersion, kick, and 5~6m more range.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1446	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:58:00 - [8] - Quote This has to be a troll thread. It is right? Come on, admit it and I'll even give you a free like.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1477	Posted - 2013.06.13 03:47:00 - [9] - Quote This has to be the best troll thread in history or I should have a permanent hand imprint on my forehead from face palming so hard.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1533	Posted - 2013.06.13 13:35:00 - [10] - Quote Calamity Jane II wrote: The gun isn't the problem, I am, and you can't nerf that. They can nerf a weapon to the point that nobody wants to use it. Look at Uprising.

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1683	Posted - 2013.06.14 18:51:00 - [11] - Quote Commander Crispy wrote: That's why this game will stay at the bottom.never have the crowd other shooters and games have.this game is bad.has the smallest population I ever seen.I see why it was free to play no one would buy this game.enjoy ur less then 6000 people who make up this game.therw way better games coming anyways will make this game look even worse.this game is to unbalanced needs to be more like other shooters. U have to spend way to many way hours ro be good to get skill points. And not a single grammar was given this thread...
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1804	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:47:00 - [12] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Lol personally I think we should keep ripping this thread cuz personally I think in reality if you could sneak up on a grizzly bear an shot gun it in the back of the head it would die no? Lol of course if u had the gonads, thank god for video games , an forums for whiners to ruin them! Better idea, everyone should keep a shotgun fit saved for when the encounter the commander here. Click, click! Come nerf me bro!
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1806	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:54:00 - [13] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Commander Crispy wrote: I really don't care what u people think.shotguns need a nerf.not be a 1 hit kill.Nerf them.and a lot of other weapons need a nerf. A ARs need a nerf. But your skills need a buff, like your face. hahaha seriously, this made my day. shotguns and everything else actually need a buff. have you seen the kill feeds in any given match? 90% are ARs before and after the TAC nerf. the server kill counts by weapon show that ARs acount for more than 75% of all kills, next is orbitals and then everything else. HTFU Just because 90% of players use an AR does not mean it needs a nerf, it just means they jumped at a chance for some range with their weapon in this build. If you look at the kill feed from my pub matches, the majority of the time I will drop a person with either a grenade or a blueprint assault rifle. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the AR doesn't need a nerf because I kill a large number of people with it (depressingly low KDR) but because it is meant to be an easy and reliable weapon for any noob to use. One that has less range than a Scrambler or Sniper rifle and one that unless it is skilled into it still will not decimate, contrary to popular belief from people saving money fitting by using militia gear when they can quite clearly use Officer level gear just as easily. 90% of players using the AR means that there's something wrong with weapon balance at the moment. I agree the AR doesn't need a nerf, but everything else needs a buff then.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1813	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:59:00 - [14] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: The weapons are all seemingly finely balanced it was the Uprising 1.0 Tac AR that drove people to the weapon class and they are a weapon that is featured prominently in most FPS games. CCP new this and put the weapon in for a genre familiarity bonus to new players. There are many weapons that kill quicker and they are being used more predominantly in the game. Buffing/nerfing something should only be done when there is an obvious imballance. The reason for the kill feeds reading AR the majority of the time is that people like the gun and use is because they put SP into them not because the other weapons don't work well, look at Calamity Jane and her devil gun The laser has a horrible iron sight paired with lens flare which makes it difficult to see where you're shooting. The MD took a radius and splash nerf (based on how many people were using it in the office) and the nanohive nerf along with the HP buff all suits got killed the weapon and it's bugged. The HMG took a major damage/range nerf that literally killed the weapon but was buffed back up due to a petition. Scrambler rifle has a skill that does nothing for the assault variant and should have more range than the AR because it's a laser weapon. Plasma Cannon came in the game pre-nerfed. The issue is that there isn't incentive for other weapons to be used outside of them looking cool, looking for a challenge, or their users are bored with the AR, which is the only reliable/serviceable weapon in the game right now.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2037	Posted - 2013.06.22 19:35:00 - [15] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: They are fine damage wise,are you sure your not just getting killed by a militia/standard shotgun stacked with damage mods? Who has to use damage mods with a shotgun?