id give $60

I'd give $60 for them to just revert aiming back to Chromosome.

When MAG was release ?.. 2010 ? They managed to loose the full community in about 2 years. Why CCP asked for advice to such a young community, beats me. They should asked for help in Veteran communities, like Counter Strike or Battlefield.. even Battlefront will been better.


They reason this game is failing, is mostly to do with MAG.

Really how please explain your thinking. Dust plays nothing like Mag. Scott Rudi was the reason why Dust tanked along the other developers.

I'm 100% sure that Scott Rudi had nothing to do with Dust. Perhaps a post edit is in order?

Please, correct me if i"m wrong.

what made MAG bad was the community not the patches attempting to please the ret/\rded monkey community. ret/\rds cant be pleased, they will always moan about something because they are ret/\rded.

Hmm sounds a lot like UC2 patch 1.04. Great games with a great concept and initial design that got distorted and absolutely derailed because of players who had no idea what makes a good game balance just kept whining till they got the game they thought they wanted. Turns out it ended up being a game nobody wanted to play.


This is the problem with public forums without expert guidance to temper it.


So yes thanks for recreating Incarna514.

Before the fanbois come in here asking for constructive criticism and feedback feel free to cylce through my post history, i've given plenty. Other than PC none of it stuck. Funny how PC mechanics is already functioning better, too bad its still relying on a shaky foundation of poor gameplay mechanics, lousy core experience, and instability.

Sigh if only these issues were taken care of first instead of the nonessential stuff like "metagame"

They reason this game is failing, is mostly to do with MAG.

I'd give an arm and a leg to have replication back

Hmm sounds a lot like UC2 patch 1.04. Great games with a great concept and initial design that got distorted and absolutely derailed because of players who had no idea what makes a good game balance just kept whining till they got the game they thought they wanted. Turns out it ended up being a game nobody wanted to play.


This is the problem with public forums without expert guidance to temper it.


So yes thanks for recreating Incarna514.

Before the fanbois come in here asking for constructive criticism and feedback feel free to cylce through my post history, i've given plenty. Other than PC none of it stuck. Funny how PC mechanics is already functioning better, too bad its still relying on a shaky foundation of poor gameplay mechanics, lousy core experience, and instability.

Sigh if only these issues were taken care of first instead of the nonessential stuff like "metagame"

I would point to the build right before Christmas where they nerfed strafe speeds to a crawl - whatever that one was. This build is more MAG 2.0

I was thinking about how much I enjoyed this game a year ago, when I got in through the mordu's trials. Anyone from that point in the closed beta can tell you about how many bugs there were in the game. Hit detection, lag, hard freezing the PS3 every 3 matches or so, but even with all that, Dust was a great game.

Scout suits were ridiculously fast and shields recharged very quickly. Heavies were absolute beasts in their tanking ability, but were also slow to turn so vulnerable to being flanked. At this point the classes really meant something. They were very different and offered unique strengths.

Most significant was that every class could really "tank" at least some damage. It was none of this COD era 2-4 bullets and you're dead like we have now. You had to put sustained damage on a person to kill them. It made the game a rush.

Then came the complaints from the few, those who didn't want anything new and different, those who had an agenda and vested interest in protecting what at the time was the potential impact dust would have on Eve players and their isk flow.

The whining and complaints resulted in severe nerfs to scout speed. Jumping was changed to consume stamina, still an annoying and unnecessary part of the game today. Shield tanking was nerfed and heavy suits lost significant armor. In the final move to make the game exactly like every other fps on the market, they make it so guns kill in just a few hits.

How they started with such a unique and fun game, and turned it into utterly boring trash is something I cannot comprehend. I thought they would revert these changes eventually and bring dust back to its roots but here we are a year later. They just pile on more of the same homogenized suits and weapons that really make a minimal difference in how the game is experienced.

3 pages and no one has said BHD ruined MAG. Only one thing to do:

INB4BHDRUINEDMAG

great post dude.

That is the single most stupid line I've read on these forums for the last year or so, and that is quite an accomplishment...


Dust would be a much better the game if the MAG veterans could get more of a say so, avoiding the blunders MAG did and introducing the very good core mechanics, excellent communications system and ingame leader roles, just to mention a few...

If anything, its the "spreadsheets in space" that ruins this game. Its seems like most are only capable of writing HTFU when the FPS veterans bring forth serious issues. If you haven't got a couple of thousands hours in a good competitive FPS, what can you really bring to the table?

Eve ruined Dust...

You were a beast back then man, and probably one of the reasons people cried so much to turn this game into a COD/BF clone.

The thing is, at that point in this game, a good player could take on multiple enemies at the same time and come out on top. It had nothing to do with class balance and everything to do with player ability. You had time to react to a no-skill player who was camping some corner trying to get a kill.

Anyone who couldn't handle an engagement lasting over a couple seconds begged and pleaded to CCP to completely change the game to suit their lack of ability.

CCP stepped in and essentially eliminated player ability as the main determining factor in this game. They probably thought they had to follow the trend of COD to appeal to the masses and turn a profit.

3 pages and no one has said BHD ruined MAG. Only one thing to do:

INB4BHDRUINEDMAG

MAG 2.0 increased movement speed, but was nerfed from the 2.0 beta, forums scrubs couldn't aim their either, same player base, same results.


The thing with 2.0 was they just made the game easy for everyone, even average players were able to put up kills.

For the life of me, I don't know how Dust ended up being the broken MMOkiddy training wheel gearPRO shooter that it currently is..... with so many MAGbros around in the beta.
I'd figured that this game would at least have the BASICS of skill-based combat down by now with so many players that experienced MAG giving feedback all this time.

Maybe there actually is something to all the accusations that large groups of MAG baddies flocked to Dust's early beta and did everything they could to handicap skilled players who didn't want to grind for months.
Maybe, maybe not... I wasn't there so I really don't know, but with the current state of things (FUUUUU weekly cap, let me level the fruck up already, bastard) I just don't see this game ever being taken seriously by the skilled FPS shooter scene. Never ever.

I'm 100% sure that Scott Rudi had nothing to do with Dust. Perhaps a post edit is in order?

Please, correct me if i"m wrong.