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SENATOR KODOS
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:18:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote: Im not hostile at all. Ive been here before so once again stop worrying about peoples attitudes and more on the points they are making. I will make a point then just to be clear. The player gets stuck on things no stop whether its corners or walls or a curb. Wheres the fix to such a simple thing?
I imagine all the complaints that were voiced in a semi-reasonable way made this point very clear. There is an issue with this and we don't like it. What I don't get is why you think people making up all kinds of ridiculous hyperbole is going to do a better job of getting this point across?
Because I have a stable ego and can see through it that these soo called forum warriors have legit points they are making. Dont care how the message is delivered to be honest because im not a nancy boy.
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xLTShinySidesx
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
412
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:23:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:Crash Monster wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote: Im not hostile at all. Ive been here before so once again stop worrying about peoples attitudes and more on the points they are making. I will make a point then just to be clear. The player gets stuck on things no stop whether its corners or walls or a curb. Wheres the fix to such a simple thing?
I imagine all the complaints that were voiced in a semi-reasonable way made this point very clear. There is an issue with this and we don't like it. What I don't get is why you think people making up all kinds of ridiculous hyperbole is going to do a better job of getting this point across? Because I have a stable ego and can see through it that these soo called forum warriors have legit points they are making. Dont care how the message is delivered to be honest because im not a nancy boy.
All the points have been made and brought to their attention have they not?
So why everyday the same garbage clogging the board, all they do is whine.
Yeah, that's not annoying.
And the 2-3 "proof of how dust failed" threads a day? Is that necessary? |

Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
569
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:26:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote: Because I have a stable ego and can see through it that these soo called forum warriors have legit points they are making. Dont care how the message is delivered to be honest because im not a nancy boy.
Maybe you are and you are overcompensating by liking the hater posts?
Seriously though, the "point" is often lacking in the hater threads. Complaining that everything sucks is not going to give anybody any insight into what needs fixing. I'm not suggesting that everyone has to be happy that these issues are happening but I would like to see threads at least contain details -- and it would be a bonus if they didn't include conspiracy theories at the same time.
Posting something without the hater rhetoric will let a lot of folks who aren't 13 years old participate in a discussion of the issues... perhaps offer something approaching a bit of insight. Now, I know there are strong feelings about who should or should not be listened to but I think that is a bit of a waste of everyone's energy.
Most people are going to find that what happens is not exactly what they wanted. It doesn't mean people who don't feel exactly as I do are the reason for all that ails the world. CCP has their own view of the direction this game will take... and we're in their playground. |

SENATOR KODOS
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:29:00 -
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xLTShinySidesx wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote:Crash Monster wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote: Im not hostile at all. Ive been here before so once again stop worrying about peoples attitudes and more on the points they are making. I will make a point then just to be clear. The player gets stuck on things no stop whether its corners or walls or a curb. Wheres the fix to such a simple thing?
I imagine all the complaints that were voiced in a semi-reasonable way made this point very clear. There is an issue with this and we don't like it. What I don't get is why you think people making up all kinds of ridiculous hyperbole is going to do a better job of getting this point across? Because I have a stable ego and can see through it that these soo called forum warriors have legit points they are making. Dont care how the message is delivered to be honest because im not a nancy boy. All the points have been made and brought to their attention have they not? So why everyday the same garbage clogging the board, all they do is whine. Yeah, that's not annoying. And the 2-3 "proof of how dust failed" threads a day? Is that necessary?
So has asking nicely changed getting stuck on things?
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DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
429
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:30:00 -
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Here is how I see it:
GÇóGreat story
GÇóGreat meta-game
GÇóArchaic FPS mechanics and game play. It seems CCP tried to reinvent the wheel. Except, like all other developers, realized that at the end of the day, a wheel must always be a 360-¦ circle. So, it now feels like I have traveled back in time and that I am playing a prototype multiplayer game from 2004 or something.
If people wonder why we complain so much, because there ARE issue with this game. They are made even more obvious when you are coursed into specializing into a class. Unlike other games, if your main weapon/suit is nerfed, you can't just switch out to another class, easily. So of course people that specialized are going to be angered that their class is not performing well, among other classes.
P.C is a joke. People used to argue who was going to be in the match, when PC first came out. Now people play 'not it', as PC is a bit of a chore (rookies get stuck with it).
Bugs, they are out there and every update, for every 2 bugs removed 3 are introduced (or,at least that is how it feels).
No we will NOT talk only good things about this game, just so we can trick rookies into playing so we can have easy kills. I am not recommending this game to anyone. Why? I don't want to lose credibility amongst friends and associates. You might enjoy this game how it is, I do not. I see what it could be (something awesome), though, it is FAR from that vision. Dust has a log way to go and I am going to make sure that CCP knows it. |

Rikilamaru Darkstar
Dark Force Katana General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:31:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:xLTShinySidesx wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote:Crash Monster wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote: Im not hostile at all. Ive been here before so once again stop worrying about peoples attitudes and more on the points they are making. I will make a point then just to be clear. The player gets stuck on things no stop whether its corners or walls or a curb. Wheres the fix to such a simple thing?
I imagine all the complaints that were voiced in a semi-reasonable way made this point very clear. There is an issue with this and we don't like it. What I don't get is why you think people making up all kinds of ridiculous hyperbole is going to do a better job of getting this point across? Because I have a stable ego and can see through it that these soo called forum warriors have legit points they are making. Dont care how the message is delivered to be honest because im not a nancy boy. All the points have been made and brought to their attention have they not? So why everyday the same garbage clogging the board, all they do is whine. Yeah, that's not annoying. And the 2-3 "proof of how dust failed" threads a day? Is that necessary? So has asking nicely changed getting stuck on things? so has it change the fact u sound like a whining 13 yr old? because it seems to me your sir are. |

SENATOR KODOS
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:31:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote: Because I have a stable ego and can see through it that these soo called forum warriors have legit points they are making. Dont care how the message is delivered to be honest because im not a nancy boy.
Maybe you are and you are overcompensating by liking the hater posts? Seriously though, the "point" is often lacking in the hater threads. Complaining that everything sucks is not going to give anybody any insight into what needs fixing. I'm not suggesting that everyone has to be happy that these issues are happening but I would like to see threads at least contain details -- and it would be a bonus if they didn't include conspiracy theories at the same time. Posting something without the hater rhetoric will let a lot of folks who aren't 13 years old participate in a discussion of the issues... perhaps offer something approaching a bit of insight. Now, I know there are strong feelings about who should or should not be listened to but I think that is a bit of a waste of everyone's energy. Most people are going to find that what happens is not exactly what they wanted. It doesn't mean people who don't feel exactly as I do are the reason for all that ails the world. CCP has their own view of the direction this game will take... and we're in their playground.
I understand the point you are trying to make. Immature or mature its all about the bottom line. If the biggest mouthpiece on the forum was making vaild points then I would listen. Ive seen alot of vaild points brought up by abrasive people. SO what you are saying is that CCP is soo incompetent they are avoiding confrontational posters with good ideas because its immature? I can argue with you all night and go back and forth but if you bring up a valid point I will give you props and recognize it. CCP does not. |

Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
570
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:32:00 -
[68] - Quote
xLTShinySidesx wrote: And the 2-3 "proof of how dust failed" threads a day? Is that necessary?
Whoa, hold on, the "proof" threads are approaching legendary humor status... or at least very fertile trolling ground.  |

Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
570
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:35:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Here is how I see it:
GÇóGreat story
GÇóGreat meta-game
GÇóArchaic FPS mechanics and game play. It seems CCP tried to reinvent the wheel. Except, like all other developers, realized that at the end of the day, a wheel must always be a 360-¦ circle. So, it now feels like I have traveled back in time and that I am playing a prototype multiplayer game from 2004 or something.
If people wonder why we complain so much, because there ARE issue with this game. They are made even more obvious when you are coursed into specializing into a class. Unlike other games, if your main weapon/suit is nerfed, you can't just switch out to another class, easily. So of course people that specialized are going to be angered that their class is not performing well, among other classes.
P.C is a joke. People used to argue who was going to be in the match, when PC first came out. Now people play 'not it', as PC is a bit of a chore (rookies get stuck with it).
Bugs, they are out there and every update, for every 2 bugs removed 3 are introduced (or,at least that is how it feels).
No we will NOT talk only good things about this game, just so we can trick rookies into playing so we can have easy kills. I am not recommending this game to anyone. Why? I don't want to lose credibility amongst friends and associates. You might enjoy this game how it is, I do not. I see what it could be (something awesome), though, it is FAR from that vision. Dust has a log way to go and I am going to make sure that CCP knows it.
Dude, your post doesn't qualify as ignorant haterism... nobody is suggesting only talking about good things or not being able to voice your opinion.
I don't get how that interpretation comes from the points being made. |

SENATOR KODOS
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:37:00 -
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Rikilamaru Darkstar wrote: so has it change the fact u sound like a whining 13 yr old? because it seems to me your sir are.
You should try to make sense when attempting to troll someone. |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
571
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:41:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote: I understand the point you are trying to make. Immature or mature its all about the bottom line. If the biggest mouthpiece on the forum was making vaild points then I would listen. Ive seen alot of vaild points brought up by abrasive people. SO what you are saying is that CCP is soo incompetent they are avoiding confrontational posters with good ideas because its immature? I can argue with you all night and go back and forth but if you bring up a valid point I will give you props and recognize it. CCP does not.
My own problem with all the abrasive posts is that they turn the forums into nothing but a ****posting fest. It does nothing other than stir up anger, conspiracy theories and other wastes of time and space.
Now, suggesting I'm saying anything about CCP seems like either trolling or your own negative view leaking out. If I was in their shoes I'd prefer not dealing with demoralizing crap all day long -- which has absolutely nothing to do with questioning their competence.
Nobody likes to be kicked all day long. If it has any effect on what we want it's as likely to be a negative effect as a positive effect. How do you react when attacked? |

Rikilamaru Darkstar
Dark Force Katana General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:44:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:Rikilamaru Darkstar wrote: so has it change the fact u sound like a whining 13 yr old? because it seems to me that you sir are a 13 yr old.
You should try to make sense when attempting to troll someone. fix'd I find you constant whining most annoying, this sums up what you are doing now. whining present participle of whine 1 Complain in a feeble or petulant way. maybe you should learn how to post constructive criticisms. |

SENATOR KODOS
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:46:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote: I understand the point you are trying to make. Immature or mature its all about the bottom line. If the biggest mouthpiece on the forum was making vaild points then I would listen. Ive seen alot of vaild points brought up by abrasive people. SO what you are saying is that CCP is soo incompetent they are avoiding confrontational posters with good ideas because its immature? I can argue with you all night and go back and forth but if you bring up a valid point I will give you props and recognize it. CCP does not.
My own problem with all the abrasive posts is that they turn the forums into nothing but a ****posting fest. It does nothing other than stir up anger, conspiracy theories and other wastes of time and space. Now, suggesting I'm saying anything about CCP seems like either trolling or your own negative view leaking out. If I was in their shoes I'd prefer not dealing with demoralizing crap all day long -- which has absolutely nothing to do with questioning their competence. Nobody likes to be kicked all day long. If it has any effect on what we want it's as likely to be a negative effect as a positive effect. How do you react when attacked?
Well after growing up and realizing how much Ego effects the world in a negative way I found out that if the truth hurts then you have been lying to yourself all along. The delivery of the message doesnt mean anything to me. The message does. I see through the trolling and it doesnt effect me at all. You seem to be bothered by it though and that takes it off message already.
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Dengru
Red Star. EoN.
21
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:49:00 -
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why would a game that provides only an agonizingly tedious experience have an interesting, diverse forum where people are nice and hopeful? I've been apart of many communities like that and eventually no one will care what posture X poster took in their posts or how comparatively ~~constructive poster Y was. All that will matter is the steaming pile that was the result of years of hopes and efforts. Look at mass effect... eventually bioware alienated the majority of their playerbase, suffering one of the biggest crapstorms seen in video games. A lot of people were giving feedback as far back as ME1 but were ignored by the developers and the more ~~~~constructive members of the community. Many games fail each year and this one has several factors already dooming it tbh. |

Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
571
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:50:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote: Well after growing up and realizing how much Ego effects the world in a negative way I found out that if the truth hurts then you have been lying to yourself all along. The delivery of the message doesnt mean anything to me. The message does. I see through the trolling and it doesnt effect me at all. You seem to be bothered by it though and that takes it off message already.
When you have to tell people about being mature the odds are you aren't. I'm fine with the fact *you* don't care about the delivery of the message.
However, your view is not necessarily the only view that matters. And, I'm certainly not talking about my view being the one that matters. |

SENATOR KODOS
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2013.06.12 02:04:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:SENATOR KODOS wrote: Well after growing up and realizing how much Ego effects the world in a negative way I found out that if the truth hurts then you have been lying to yourself all along. The delivery of the message doesnt mean anything to me. The message does. I see through the trolling and it doesnt effect me at all. You seem to be bothered by it though and that takes it off message already.
When you have to tell people about being mature the odds are you aren't. I'm fine with the fact *you* don't care about the delivery of the message. However, your view is not necessarily the only view that matters. And, I'm certainly not talking about my view being the one that matters.
You got it man im not mature im just pretending to look cool on a forum 
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DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
429
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Posted - 2013.06.12 02:06:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Here is how I see it:
GÇóGreat story
GÇóGreat meta-game
GÇóArchaic FPS mechanics and game play. It seems CCP tried to reinvent the wheel. Except, like all other developers, realized that at the end of the day, a wheel must always be a 360-¦ circle. So, it now feels like I have traveled back in time and that I am playing a prototype multiplayer game from 2004 or something.
If people wonder why we complain so much, because there ARE issue with this game. They are made even more obvious when you are coursed into specializing into a class. Unlike other games, if your main weapon/suit is nerfed, you can't just switch out to another class, easily. So of course people that specialized are going to be angered that their class is not performing well, among other classes.
P.C is a joke. People used to argue who was going to be in the match, when PC first came out. Now people play 'not it', as PC is a bit of a chore (rookies get stuck with it).
Bugs, they are out there and every update, for every 2 bugs removed 3 are introduced (or,at least that is how it feels).
No we will NOT talk only good things about this game, just so we can trick rookies into playing so we can have easy kills. I am not recommending this game to anyone. Why? I don't want to lose credibility amongst friends and associates. You might enjoy this game how it is, I do not. I see what it could be (something awesome), though, it is FAR from that vision. Dust has a log way to go and I am going to make sure that CCP knows it. Dude, your post doesn't qualify as ignorant haterism... nobody is suggesting only talking about good things or not being able to voice your opinion. I don't get how that interpretation comes from the points being made. It was mostly aimed at countering Shinyside, who said we should express mostly positive feedbaxk (talking good things about the game) instead of game improving feedback (pointing out flaws). So that we can course people into playing this game. I say no, most of those people will leave the game almost immediately, one less customer/player.
I think this sting should have stayed Alpha, WAY longer, closed Beta WAY longer and should STILL be in Open Beta. This maybe F2P but at the end of the day, they want me to spend money, they first have to prove that this game is worth it.
I never claimed that I was not being allowed to voice my opinion.
Heck, I was one of the few people that backed CCP up tge first week of Uprising. I made a thread telling people to give it AT LEAST a week. Well, a couple did; we don't get along too well now. We should not just pretend that things are peachy and that we just need a 'little bolt tightening'.
I don't know about you, but here is how I tend to ask for fixes to the game.
GÇó1st I give them a little time to figure out obvious stuff.
GÇó2nd I give a respectful, long, detailed, well reasoned post (that get's ignored for being 'TL;DR'.
GÇó3nd I wait a week or two, make a similar thread, or revise and revive the old thread.
GÇó4th 2 months later and same crap is going on... I am pissed, I am no monk, my patience has a limit.
Respect, you got to earn it. A lot of people (myself included) just gave it to CCP without making them earn it, our bad. Now, we are starting to let our respect for them 'slip'.
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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
438
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Posted - 2013.06.12 02:07:00 -
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All the ragging is good for CCP.
It builds character. |

Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
571
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Posted - 2013.06.12 02:08:00 -
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Added here |

hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.06.12 02:29:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:In regard to the new armour mods point you raised. I think people are just frustrated because it seems like CCP arn't listening. Or at least, thier fix isn't really fixing the core issue.
every one knew the armor mods were gonna be a joke and were not gonna fix the issue, its a stop gap measure and one that we are gonna be stuck with a long time. armor suits/mods really just need much larger pools(like two times) and repers 1-2hp/s per level more. |
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xLTShinySidesx
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
416
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:50:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Crash Monster wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Here is how I see it:
GÇóGreat story
GÇóGreat meta-game
GÇóArchaic FPS mechanics and game play. It seems CCP tried to reinvent the wheel. Except, like all other developers, realized that at the end of the day, a wheel must always be a 360-¦ circle. So, it now feels like I have traveled back in time and that I am playing a prototype multiplayer game from 2004 or something.
If people wonder why we complain so much, because there ARE issue with this game. They are made even more obvious when you are coursed into specializing into a class. Unlike other games, if your main weapon/suit is nerfed, you can't just switch out to another class, easily. So of course people that specialized are going to be angered that their class is not performing well, among other classes.
P.C is a joke. People used to argue who was going to be in the match, when PC first came out. Now people play 'not it', as PC is a bit of a chore (rookies get stuck with it).
Bugs, they are out there and every update, for every 2 bugs removed 3 are introduced (or,at least that is how it feels).
No we will NOT talk only good things about this game, just so we can trick rookies into playing so we can have easy kills. I am not recommending this game to anyone. Why? I don't want to lose credibility amongst friends and associates. You might enjoy this game how it is, I do not. I see what it could be (something awesome), though, it is FAR from that vision. Dust has a log way to go and I am going to make sure that CCP knows it. Dude, your post doesn't qualify as ignorant haterism... nobody is suggesting only talking about good things or not being able to voice your opinion. I don't get how that interpretation comes from the points being made. It was mostly aimed at countering Shinyside, who said we should express mostly positive feedbaxk (talking good things about the game) instead of game improving feedback (pointing out flaws). So that we can course people into playing this game. I say no, most of those people will leave the game almost immediately, one less customer/player. I think this sting should have stayed Alpha, WAY longer, closed Beta WAY longer and should STILL be in Open Beta. This maybe F2P but at the end of the day, they want me to spend money, they first have to prove that this game is worth it. I never claimed that I was not being allowed to voice my opinion. Heck, I was one of the few people that backed CCP up tge first week of Uprising. I made a thread telling people to give it AT LEAST a week. Well, a couple did; we don't get along too well now. We should not just pretend that things are peachy and that we just need a 'little bolt tightening'. I don't know about you, but here is how I tend to ask for fixes to the game. GÇó1st I give them a little time to figure out obvious stuff. GÇó2nd I give a respectful, long, detailed, well reasoned post (that get's ignored for being 'TL;DR'. GÇó3nd I wait a week or two, make a similar thread, or revise and revive the old thread. GÇó4th 2 months later and same crap is going on... I am pissed, I am no monk, my patience has a limit. Respect, you got to earn it. A lot of people (myself included) just gave it to CCP without making them earn it, our bad. Now, we are starting to let our respect for them 'slip'.
I wasn't saying only give positive feedback, I was saying give feedback but do it constructively, the drama and douchery isn't necessary. |

Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
446
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:58:00 -
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xLTShinySidesx wrote: I wasn't saying only give positive feedback, I was saying give feedback but do it constructively, the drama and douchery isn't necessary.
Every forums needs a few Ron Swansons. |
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