Naaah just start saving up SP if you REALLY want to have that suit on day one.

That way if someone wants to show off/have that advantage they have to plan a bit ahead.

I'm generally quite anti-respec and while I personally would just save the SP up in advance of the new suits being released and enjoy the options I could see a reasonable case being made for one time suit only refund to those already speced into that frame type.

I would also explicitly state that this is during the release of the initial racial suits only. CCP will continue to add content over the years and building in a constant respec as they add new things is a flawed method. So one time refund of suit only points as the initial racial variants are released could work, anything beyond that and it's a no go.

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Probably not going to happen. As for my Minmatar fatsuit...

CCP, why you no like heavies!?

I better get a respec when pilot suits come out.


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I'm not against it in principle , I just think they have to draw the line somewhere. There will always be something new that will make people say "I invested X million SP into this thing, if I KNEW this was coming I wouldn't have bothered".... not excluding the fact that they will tweak and outright change certain bonuses on weapons/suits. Not to mention the people that spec into whatever is "new" at the time, realize "oh this sucks" and want to respec straight back again once the next "new" thing comes out. I see myself playing dust for the long haul and I feel I'll get to every suit I want to try out one day or the other, or i might just focus on one suit as long as i'm interested. Different playstyles I guess.

Agreed. With Pilot suits comming, us Pilots deserve our Drop suit SP refunded. Making changes is one thing. Adding a suit that was known but delayed is another.

The main reason is fairness. If i really wanted to play a caldari assualt or Ammar Heavey then I can get what i want and never have to use skill points in the wrong trees. But Anyone wanting to be a Min Heavy or Pilot doesn't have the option to get exactly what they want.

So we have unfairness. Some people got what they want with no wasted SP just so they could play. Some did not. Once all Core suits and roles are added then thats it. We have to suck up the changes

So you think its fair for heavies and scouts to have slim options while logi/assaults have a full line of suits? How can you be so closed minded. Heavies only have one option. ONE. How can you even think thats fair? How would you feel if your assault suits had only one racial frame while all the other roles had 4?

Did you even go read the link? I am a heavy and I agree heavies and scouts need a respec of SP but only that SP placed into basic frames or racial specialty, which is exactly what CPM Laurent was saying in his posts.

+1, but I disagree with the thought you have about giving special treatment to Scouts + Heavies. I, for one, would like a respec. I want to take this character into the Combat Medic role. Gallente Medium suits are terrible for this. They're good for support, no doubt! Don't get me wrong! But just not desirable combat-wise. I'd like to go into Amarrian Suits, so I can carry a Sidearm with all my equipment, and still have all the Triage/Support equipment I'd ever need.

I think the Gallente Logistics is more of a WP farming suit, and I disagree with that. I want to support my team more, which means by Triage AND Combat.

So yea, once more racial suits come out, I vote that we give an optional suit-only respec to EVERYONE. They should also do this because of the new classes that are coming out, which will **** players over, if they went into Assault, and later wanted Pilot, but only have 1m SP total, with 13k unallocated. :P

no I disagree. That choice was there from the beginning for you to make. You should not receive a respec simply because you do not like the choices that you made. You should have examined all of the Raciall suits, thought about your play style, planned ahead, and spent your SP accordingly.

You live with the choices you make.

As a heavy, I had no choice except speccing into Amarr. If all Heavy racial variants were in game I would have to suck it up and use Amarr until I could get something else.

Well, if you read the rest, I said that some people might want to switch completely to another suit. I might want to go Pilot, when it comes out. I'm not going to just quit out on all 4m SP I just spent on Logi, just so I can do something new that will take me months to accomplish.

It's one thing to respec because people didn't like their decision. It's another to respec because new stuff is coming out, that's too hard to skill into WITHOUT a respec.

"That choice was there from the beginning for you to make". I can't make a decision that I don't know is coming.

Respec options should only come to those needing same race suits that haven't arrived so a ammar heavy can switch to a amar scout or a caldari assault wants caldari heavy not someone that hates his proto heavy an wants a proto minmaninja cuz he gets killed by knifes an his race is actually amar with amar logi, can't happen like that or everyone gonna whine for respect cuz they picked crap two months ago

That makes no sense at all. You are saying we should save SP for another suit, you do know it costs around 2.7m SP(One of the highest SP sinks) for a full proto, racial suit. You want someone to drop 5.4m into drop suits? You are mad.

No-ou, I'm just saying that 5,4M SP the price of maxing two things at the same time.

And if you don't want to multispec but rather have only the new commando suit then start saving SP now, or don't use up all your June respec points up.

If you don't have enough SP in sleeve then the price for using the new gear amongst the first is not running proto while waiting.
(gotta admit tho that waiting sucks as we know timetables for new stuff are vague at best)

That makes no sense at all. You are saying we should save SP for another suit, you do know it costs around 2.7m SP(One of the highest SP sinks) for a full proto, racial suit. You want someone to drop 5.4m into drop suits? You are mad.

Why Do You HAVE to always use Full Proto?
I Run STD almost Exclusively, and I have Fun when I'm not Getting Munched By Full Proto Squads.

This Man Makes Sense.
If you Specced into the Role you Want to play As, then Just Save that SP.

Unless your Like Me, and Go "SPs? What can I waste these on Now!"

Did you read what this thread is about? Its not about getting proto its about the lack of racial variants for heavies and scouts.

Yes, and you want to pull you SPs out of that skill them into the new stuff to full Proto the probabe FOTM

This is exactly the kind of thread I was trying to address in my recent thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=971693#post971693

If we had a more sensibly long-term designed skill tree, respecs for racial variants would never be needed.

Among other things. We all know that if assaults/logis only had one suit and heavies/scouts have 4 that the forums would be in an uproar. They too would ask about SP refunds on things like dropsuit command, racial frames and want to know about a time line.

Naaah just start saving up SP if you REALLY want to have that suit on day one.

That way if someone wants to show off/have that advantage they have to plan a bit ahead.

NOt everyone lacks a life and can save 500k per month you know...?

Dumping for my heavy/scout brothers!

I honestly feel that this should be done, how can CCP say our choices have consequences when we are missing 5 racial drop suits? Assuming a heavy wants to play in PC/FW he needs proto gear, Scouts can move to assault suits or become nova knifing wimatar

The gallente scout isn't all that great it trys to play the part of saboteur but sadly without stealth equipment it kinda falls flat. I digress. It is only fair that we get a refund on SP spent on drop suits, not only to the heavies but the scouts as well!

Please discuss!

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Glad we had this talk