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Wrath Red-Feather
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:03:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Wrath Red-Feather wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Naaah just start saving up SP if you REALLY want to have that suit on day one.
That way if someone wants to show off/have that advantage they have to plan a bit ahead. That makes no sense at all. You are saying we should save SP for another suit, you do know it costs around 2.7m SP(One of the highest SP sinks) for a full proto, racial suit. You want someone to drop 5.4m into drop suits? You are mad. No-ou, I'm just saying that 5,4M SP the price of maxing two things at the same time. And if you don't want to multispec but rather have only the new commando suit then start saving SP now, or don't use up all your June respec points up. If you don't have enough SP in sleeve then the price for using the new gear amongst the first is not running proto while waiting. (gotta admit tho that waiting sucks as we know timetables for new stuff are vague at best)
I would be more agreeable to your suggestion if in fact we had the other racial suits, but we don't. How is it fair to even bring out roles such as pilot or commando without giving us the missing racial suits? |
Wrath Red-Feather
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:41:00 -
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No one else wants to show their support for our heavy and scout brothers? |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:58:00 -
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Now a very, very basic question:
Why everything would have to be absolutely fair?
It's not like you were born as a heavy or whatever, everyone already had a choice. There's no point in trying to create an analogy to real life discrimination.
Suits are different, their usability is different and times new ones are added to selection are different.
What if in the future medium frames are gonna have dozens of options instead of just four races?
What about if it would be other way around, lights having more options than others?
Just asking. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:42:00 -
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Wrath Red-Feather wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Naaah just start saving up SP if you REALLY want to have that suit on day one.
That way if someone wants to show off/have that advantage they have to plan a bit ahead. That makes no sense at all. You are saying we should save SP for another suit, you do know it costs around 2.7m SP(One of the highest SP sinks) for a full proto, racial suit. You want someone to drop 5.4m into drop suits? You are mad.
Why Do You HAVE to always use Full Proto?
I Run STD almost Exclusively, and I have Fun when I'm not Getting Munched By Full Proto Squads.
This Man Makes Sense.
If you Specced into the Role you Want to play As, then Just Save that SP.
Unless your Like Me, and Go "SPs? What can I waste these on Now!" |
Wrath Red-Feather
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Posted - 2013.06.21 04:01:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Wrath Red-Feather wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Naaah just start saving up SP if you REALLY want to have that suit on day one.
That way if someone wants to show off/have that advantage they have to plan a bit ahead. That makes no sense at all. You are saying we should save SP for another suit, you do know it costs around 2.7m SP(One of the highest SP sinks) for a full proto, racial suit. You want someone to drop 5.4m into drop suits? You are mad. Why Do You HAVE to always use Full Proto? I Run STD almost Exclusively, and I have Fun when I'm not Getting Munched By Full Proto Squads. This Man Makes Sense. If you Specced into the Role you Want to play As, then Just Save that SP. Unless your Like Me, and Go "SPs? What can I waste these on Now!"
Did you read what this thread is about? Its not about getting proto its about the lack of racial variants for heavies and scouts. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:54:00 -
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Wrath Red-Feather wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Wrath Red-Feather wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Naaah just start saving up SP if you REALLY want to have that suit on day one.
That way if someone wants to show off/have that advantage they have to plan a bit ahead. That makes no sense at all. You are saying we should save SP for another suit, you do know it costs around 2.7m SP(One of the highest SP sinks) for a full proto, racial suit. You want someone to drop 5.4m into drop suits? You are mad. Why Do You HAVE to always use Full Proto? I Run STD almost Exclusively, and I have Fun when I'm not Getting Munched By Full Proto Squads. This Man Makes Sense. If you Specced into the Role you Want to play As, then Just Save that SP. Unless your Like Me, and Go "SPs? What can I waste these on Now!" Did you read what this thread is about? Its not about getting proto its about the lack of racial variants for heavies and scouts.
Yes, and you want to pull you SPs out of that skill them into the new stuff to full Proto the probabe FOTM |
Wrath Red-Feather
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Posted - 2013.06.21 15:12:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Wrath Red-Feather wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Wrath Red-Feather wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Naaah just start saving up SP if you REALLY want to have that suit on day one.
That way if someone wants to show off/have that advantage they have to plan a bit ahead. That makes no sense at all. You are saying we should save SP for another suit, you do know it costs around 2.7m SP(One of the highest SP sinks) for a full proto, racial suit. You want someone to drop 5.4m into drop suits? You are mad. Why Do You HAVE to always use Full Proto? I Run STD almost Exclusively, and I have Fun when I'm not Getting Munched By Full Proto Squads. This Man Makes Sense. If you Specced into the Role you Want to play As, then Just Save that SP. Unless your Like Me, and Go "SPs? What can I waste these on Now!" Did you read what this thread is about? Its not about getting proto its about the lack of racial variants for heavies and scouts. Yes, and you want to pull you SPs out of that skill them into the new stuff to full Proto the probabe FOTM
No. Heavies only have one choice, scouts only have two. How is a heavy speccing into amarr the FOTM, Or a Sniper going Winmatar FOTM? Did you even read what I've been talking about? |
Wrath Red-Feather
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Posted - 2013.06.23 02:36:00 -
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Still nothing on missing suits besides "Soon(TM)". CCP give us more hope with details about the missing suits! The commando and pilot suits are cool and all, but adding more roles with out giving us these missing racial suits is demoralizing.
Give us more hope! |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.23 03:32:00 -
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I'm with Laruent's opinion on how to handle respecs since we don't have a lot of content right now. Another suggestion I heard was to simply allow respecs for any major overhauls like a new build or re-balancing. It's only fair since it's almost like getting a completely new game.
Also, I don't see good arguments against respecs aside from "New Eden, Adapt or Die, Rhghrghrgh!" drama, comparing Dust 514 to a complete game that's been out for 10 years. You can argue that people will spec into the FotM, but what's to say there aren't things out there to counter it? (Barring anything gamebreaking like the TAC AR) |
Wrath Red-Feather
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Posted - 2013.06.24 18:03:00 -
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Bumping this because I just want some answers and a time line. I think all our heavy/scout brothers deserve to at least know whats going on. |
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Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.06.24 18:57:00 -
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This is exactly the kind of thread I was trying to address in my recent thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=971693#post971693
If we had a more sensibly long-term designed skill tree, respecs for racial variants would never be needed. |
Wrath Red-Feather
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:36:00 -
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Among other things. We all know that if assaults/logis only had one suit and heavies/scouts have 4 that the forums would be in an uproar. They too would ask about SP refunds on things like dropsuit command, racial frames and want to know about a time line. |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:51:00 -
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Wrath Red-Feather wrote:Among other things. We all know that if assaults/logis only had one suit and heavies/scouts have 4 that the forums would be in an uproar. They too would ask about SP refunds on things like dropsuit command, racial frames and want to know about a time line.
Did you really read my thread? If so it seems you've entirely misunderstood what i suggested because i never said anything along the lines of making the suits the same. I said make skills start non specialised, so non-race specific skill that covers all races up to advanced, then add in the racial suit skills to go higher and get specializations. We'd still have separate suits for the various roles but if you're already a scout in one race, it doesn't take a few million SP to use another race when that becomes an option. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:01:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Naaah just start saving up SP if you REALLY want to have that suit on day one.
That way if someone wants to show off/have that advantage they have to plan a bit ahead.
NOt everyone lacks a life and can save 500k per month you know...? |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.06.24 23:23:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Naaah just start saving up SP if you REALLY want to have that suit on day one.
That way if someone wants to show off/have that advantage they have to plan a bit ahead. NOt everyone lacks a life and can save 500k per month you know...?
500k SP is 21 days of passive without boosters. |
Jathniel
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Posted - 2013.06.24 23:54:00 -
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+1
I support another respec when more suits are released.
Not our fault CCP went live without all of it's content ready.
Derp. |
Wrath Red-Feather
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:55:00 -
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Dumping for my heavy/scout brothers! |
Wrath Red-Feather
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:54:00 -
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Wrath Red-Feather wrote:Dumping for my heavy/scout brothers! |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:01:00 -
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You gotta think of it like this CCP should have released this content upon the release of the game and THEN given us a Universal Respec....
Players who picked Heavy and scout roles will be utterly pissed by this I know I will, that possibly new dropsuit types are coming out and the ****** amarr heavy, and Gallente, and Minne Scouts I've been forced to use over time were never the ones I wanted to use anyway. So now players like me are out X Million SP because all the content that should have been there wasn't.....
The only people Not having a one off core content respect are those who already have their dropsuits and roles already released.
Anything outside of core racial weaponry, dropsuits and vehicles is not core content and can be considered expansion and thus not deserving of respecs. |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:27:00 -
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Wrath Red-Feather wrote:I honestly feel that this should be done, how can CCP say our choices have consequences when we are missing 5 racial drop suits? Assuming a heavy wants to play in PC/FW he needs proto gear, Scouts can move to assault suits or become nova knifing wimatar  The gallente scout isn't all that great it trys to play the part of saboteur but sadly without stealth equipment it kinda falls flat. I digress. It is only fair that we get a refund on SP spent on drop suits, not only to the heavies but the scouts as well! Please discuss!
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Glad we had this talk |
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Wrath Red-Feather
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:51:00 -
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ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:Wrath Red-Feather wrote:I honestly feel that this should be done, how can CCP say our choices have consequences when we are missing 5 racial drop suits? Assuming a heavy wants to play in PC/FW he needs proto gear, Scouts can move to assault suits or become nova knifing wimatar The gallente scout isn't all that great it trys to play the part of saboteur but sadly without stealth equipment it kinda falls flat. I digress. It is only fair that we get a refund on SP spent on drop suits, not only to the heavies but the scouts as well! Please discuss! Yes Glad we had this talk
That made me laugh. Bump + a like for you friend |
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