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Delonius from Khanid Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded 0	Posted - 2013.06.10 07:39:00 - [1] - Quote IS DUST DIEING? Before I go into more details about my brainfart, I have to concur with the fact that the game is not there yet where we are all expecting it to be and it have major core gameplay issues but we can all agree that the game is still in a really early state and far from it's full potential. Many people bury the game already because of it, but we who came from Eve, knows when CCP have a clear plan about something it's just a matter of time to get there. People can call us blind fanboys but the company definitely earned our loyalty. It's not a coincidence that Eve is maybe the only subscription based MMO which still be able to constantly increase the subscribers' numbers after all these years. (any other example I don't know about? :D) Many people asks how Dust want to compete with upcoming titles such as the playstation version of Planetside 2 or Bungie's Destiny (if it will be truly an openworld mmofps). Here is my list where I think Dust is (or will be) better: - The destruction of things and the industry behind it (market, logistics, manufacturing, resource harvesting etc when it will be finally merged with Eve's economy and tied together more). - Meaning behind the wars (paired with the metagaming) generated by the players itself unlike in the other games where the warmachine fueled by written lore and scripted events. When Dust will get there, you will be passionate about the wars and the outcome even if you are not a roleplayer. Believe me! :P - The feeling of being able to have an impact on a sandbox universe with our actions. (hopefully) - The character progression is also a positive thing on the long run. It works in Eve. Even after playing the game for years, the characters won't feel like they are finished. There will always be ways to progress further. - costumization One of the most important things where Dust is far behind from other upcoming titles is the scale of the battles. SOV WARFARE, METAGAMING AND CONNECTION The possibility of huge battles aren't important only to keep up with the competing games. It should be also important when the nullsec sov warfare will be tied together with Dust. If CCP want to make Dust an important part of the universe where the Eve players feels the impact of the dust players' actions and vice versa, and where the metagaming covers both games equally, Dust players should have a bigger impact on the outcome of different events. The factional warfare's level is just not enough. Dust players' activity can make easier or harder for the Eve players to achieve their goals, but it's not an important deciding factor so they don't really care about the Dust mercs' activity. FW matches also feels like instant matches for the dust players and nothing more. But if the dust players activity would be a real deciding factor in the outcome of sov wars, it would be odd that 16vs16 matches (with only a few million ISK being destroyed) could make real differences when huge coalitions with thousands of players are clashing. Dust should have huge battles (100vs100 at least) on large maps with hundreds of millions of ISK being destroyed on the field to make an important and meaningful part of nullsec wars. Eve players could argue that the controll for success would get out of their hands but that's not entirely true. With deciding the size of the budget for merc supplies, making deals with the better merc groups, handling the logistics and fighting for air superiority (to influence the fight with orbital strikes) would highly influence the outcome of the fights but the chance for success would be also in the hands of the dust players. How to make it happen? Soveregnity structures in Eve should have and additional reinforcement timer (or replacing an already existing timer) with a Dust match. The Dust match would decide either A: if the structure could go into the next reinforcement mode or the structure becomes invulnerable again (more drastic outcome) B: or the alliance who hired the winning Dust mercs could decide the final timer on the structure (less drastic but still significant deciding factor in sov warfare) PS3 AND LIMITATIONS Dust should really get to the point where huge battles will be possible but there is a huge barrier to drastically increase the number of participans in a single match and it's the limitations of the already outdated playstation 3. I'm pretty sure CCP will port the game to ps4 (and maybe PC some day) where the implementation of huge battles won't be too challenging but if they want all content equally accessable from both platforms, the ps4 client would be limited as much as the ps3 client (not counting the graphical improvements). "Exclusive ps4 content!? Give me my money back!!!" Of course ps3 players could feel ripped off for not being able to access a significant part of the game, but that's not entirely the case. There are different reinforcement timers with different importance in Eve. -Less important timers are like the timers on player owned structures (POS), territorial claim units (TCU) and soveregnity blockade units (SBU), player owned costumes offices (POCO) etc -Really important timers are final timers on outposts and ihubs for example. The size of the dust fights could scale depending on the importance of the timer. This way small battles could be also important in massive coalition wars and ps3 owners will be able to enjoy hopefully the most exciting upcoming part of the game and they won't feel being left out of it. They just won't be able to join to the bigger fights.
Delonius from Khanid Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded 0	Posted - 2013.06.10 07:39:00 - [2] - Quote QUESTIONS: for the devs: I understand that it might be a little too early to talk about it or simply this kind of stuff is NDA'd but have you guys ever thinked about this possibility? Are you considering ways to improve the game beyond the limitations of the ps3 before the console runs out and Sony stop supporting it? for the gamers: Would you feel yourself screwed over by not being able to access huge battles with only a ps3? Would you support the initiation from CCP to develop the game further the current limitations of ps3 by making some part of the content exclusive on the more powerful platforms? (if you find any grammar or spelling errors, push the dislike button at the top of the comment section :P)
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 241	Posted - 2013.06.10 07:47:00 - [3] - Quote It will take a long time for dust to be ported to the ps4. Probably a couple of years.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 223	Posted - 2013.06.10 08:00:00 - [4] - Quote I can't help but imagine that Planet Side 2 (PS2 makes me think the console...) is going to be watered down due to the PS4s limitations. Just a personal grip, but I can't play a game that I KNOW is better on PC. Reason why I didn't bother with BF3. I was all stoked when I saw the number of players in game and then found out what the console versions' numbers were. "Gotta build me a rig." I say every time, but I never do.
5tgbnm Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.06.10 08:02:00 - [5] - Quote http://youtu.be/9md61EpQ9sw?t=6m20s Dust will be dead by nov. Here is proof
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 476	Posted - 2013.06.10 08:07:00 - [6] - Quote In a First Person Shooter time is relevant... you just can't spend 2 or 3 years in an Open Beta, when the game has been officially release. The competition is going to EAT CCP alive. Is plenty of great games in the PS3, so saying that is the PS3 fault that Dust 514 sucks, is like saying: My Ferrari is rubbish... because i don't know how to drive.
steadyhand amarr Amarr Immortal Volunteers 679	Posted - 2013.06.10 08:08:00 - [7] - Quote People have been saying that for over a year yet we hAbe gained players lol
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 241	Posted - 2013.06.10 08:10:00 - [8] - Quote 5tgbnm wrote: http://youtu.be/9md61EpQ9sw?t=6m20s Dust will be dead by nov. Here is proof The ps4 won't be able to achieve those graphics.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1880	Posted - 2013.06.10 08:10:00 - [9] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: People have been saying that for over a year yet we hAbe gained players lol 2M accounts, 6k playing. That's not really gaining players.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 241	Posted - 2013.06.10 08:11:00 - [10] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: People have been saying that for over a year yet we hAbe gained players lol 2M accounts, 6k playing. That's not really gaining players. 2m accounts on a F2P game lol. I myself have 3

Delonius from Khanid Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded 0	Posted - 2013.06.10 08:23:00 - [11] - Quote 5tgbnm wrote: http://youtu.be/9md61EpQ9sw?t=6m20s Dust will be dead by nov. Here is proof The combat is awesome in planetside 2 but the game lacks long term goals (other than improving the character) and the whole conflict felt made up and pointless. It's a huge gap in an MMO. Even if it's fps. I feel sorry because I really wanted to like it but I was getting bored of it after a few weeks..
Rynoceros One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 114	Posted - 2013.06.10 08:30:00 - [12] - Quote At CCP's pace, 514 will be ready for PS4 just about the time that the PS6 shows at E3.
steadyhand amarr Amarr Immortal Volunteers 679	Posted - 2013.06.10 09:06:00 - [13] - Quote I loled an active player count is more important than reg accounts and dust active player count Has gone up. I recon next major patch we will get more players. We shall ***** that ccp sucks and all play along waiting for winter update :-P
Tectonious Falcon Phaze O n e 530	Posted - 2013.06.10 09:16:00 - [14] - Quote Delonius from Khanid wrote: 5tgbnm wrote: http://youtu.be/9md61EpQ9sw?t=6m20s Dust will be dead by nov. Here is proof The combat is awesome in planetside 2 but the game lacks long term goals (other than improving the character) and the whole conflict felt made up and pointless. It's a huge gap in an MMO. Even if it's fps. I feel sorry because I really wanted to like it but I was getting bored of it after a few weeks.. Pretty much sums up Planetside 2 for me. It was a pretty good FPS but it gets boring after a couple of weeks because there's no meaning behind the fights.


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