DUST Search - The LAV Debacle and Possible Solutions

hooc order wrote:

DS 10 wrote:

hooc order wrote:

ladwar wrote:

hooc order wrote:

"Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you"

Says the guy standing in the middle of the road between the objective and the enemy spawn.

Your voice says the LAVs need a nerf yet the very video you are talking over shows they do not.

his video just shows that HAVs need to be reworked because the can't fulfill their role.
this and this threads have yet to receive a response from the devs and they do need it.

Go to the video and when he says "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you".

See where he is standing? Derpy derpy derp derp.

Ever played any FPS that is not this crap pile we call dust where a person can just stand in the middle of the road and annihilate everyone he sees with no cover what so ever?

Are we seriously saying LAVs are even remotely a problem compared to what you are seeing in the video?

Hell if anything the video shows LAVs need a buff so such horrible game play is less possible.

There is a Planet side 2 video floating around the forums...go look at that for a comparison.

The gameplay is irrelevant. Go play Ambush and count LAVs.

I avoid ambush because it is a protostomp and when i get stuck in an ambush because my squad leader wants to play it i jump in an LAV because that is the only way for someone with only 2.3 million SP to kill anyone reliably....it is also why you are standing in the middle of the road annihilating everyone without one inch of cover. (well that and AR range is idiotic)

The lav "problem" is directly related to the game play in your video. The entire SP/leveling system has broken this game and you even admitted in one of your videos. Hey news flash PC and faction warfare did not pull the 10 million SP players out of Pub matches.

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DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 416	Posted - 2013.06.10 00:37:00 - [1] - Quote In this video, I discuss my opinions of the LAV issue as both a driver and AV specialist. Hopefully CCP understands the issues the LAVs are causing for the game as a whole. http://youtu.be/kD9XyW9P-fo If you could "fix" LAVs, what would you do?
Vethosis Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 279	Posted - 2013.06.10 00:38:00 - [2] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/Sp9yD3J.png a start
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 416	Posted - 2013.06.10 00:46:00 - [3] - Quote Vethosis wrote: http://i.imgur.com/Sp9yD3J.png a start I've never seen that bug. Sounds...interesting.
Vethosis Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 280	Posted - 2013.06.10 01:00:00 - [4] - Quote also a thread i made about 45 mins ago, go look at it!
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 600	Posted - 2013.06.10 01:05:00 - [5] - Quote I think your wrong. I think I know what CCP is thinking. AV good vs HAV/dropships which are good vs LAVs. HAVs/DS are meant to rain in control over the LAVs and AV is meant to destroy HAVs/DS, not LAVs. good old rock/paper/scissors. with the lose of HAVs LAVs are ruling the field.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 416	Posted - 2013.06.10 01:11:00 - [6] - Quote ladwar wrote: I think your wrong. I think I know what CCP is thinking. AV good vs HAV/dropships which are good vs LAVs. HAVs/DS are meant to rain in control over the LAVs and AV is meant to destroy HAVs/DS, not LAVs. good old rock/paper/scissors. with the lose of HAVs LAVs are ruling the field. There has to be a counter for everything in the game. As it stands now, LAVs have no real viable option for infantry to use against them. If AV nades don't work against vehicles, why have them?
5tgbnm Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.10 01:14:00 - [7] - Quote Here is my fix, I actually made a vid explaining in detail the counter to the murdur taxi. http://youtu.be/9md61EpQ9sw?t=6m20s
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 600	Posted - 2013.06.10 01:16:00 - [8] - Quote there is a counter, its just not being used because it doesn't have balance with its counter leaving LAVs wide open to do as they please. and AV nades are effect on HAVs, I dare you to prove me wrong.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 600	Posted - 2013.06.10 01:17:00 - [9] - Quote 5tgbnm wrote: Here is my fix, I actually made a vid explaining in detail the counter to the murdur taxi. http://youtu.be/9md61EpQ9sw?t=6m20s I will not play PS2 on laptop. so go away with your locking of post.
5tgbnm Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.10 01:18:00 - [10] - Quote Its coming to ps4 this year dildow

ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 600	Posted - 2013.06.10 01:19:00 - [11] - Quote great.. till its on a console go away and adds nothing to thread.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 416	Posted - 2013.06.10 01:32:00 - [12] - Quote ladwar wrote: there is a counter, its just not being used because it doesn't have balance with its counter leaving LAVs wide open to do as they please. and AV nades are effect on HAVs, I dare you to prove me wrong. If the counter doesn't work, is it still a counter?
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 600	Posted - 2013.06.10 01:43:00 - [13] - Quote ever seen a map with HAVs on one team and there other full of LAVs? I haven't
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 139	Posted - 2013.06.10 01:59:00 - [14] - Quote Proto swarms one shot free lavs and a lot of std lavs. I really don't have much of an issue with them. Logi LAVS can be annoying. I honestly have only come across one that was an immense pain the ass. My only gripe is logi LAVs surviving a minefield of proxies.
hooc order Deep Space Republic 292	Posted - 2013.06.10 02:02:00 - [15] - Quote "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you" Says the guy standing in the middle of the road between the objective and the enemy spawn. Your voice says the LAVs need a nerf yet the very video you are talking over shows they do not. Also i get blown up in militia LAVs all the time with one AV nade. What the hell are you talking about?
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 600	Posted - 2013.06.10 02:05:00 - [16] - Quote hooc order wrote: "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you" Says the guy standing in the middle of the road between the objective and the enemy spawn. Your voice says the LAVs need a nerf yet the very video you are talking over shows they do not. his video just shows that HAVs need to be reworked because the can't fulfill their role.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1512	Posted - 2013.06.10 02:06:00 - [17] - Quote ladwar wrote: hooc order wrote: "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you" Says the guy standing in the middle of the road between the objective and the enemy spawn. Your voice says the LAVs need a nerf yet the very video you are talking over shows they do not. his video just shows that HAVs need to be reworked because the can't fulfill their role. I've seen plenty of HAVs doing fine today
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 273	Posted - 2013.06.10 02:07:00 - [18] - Quote ladwar wrote: I think your wrong. I think I know what CCP is thinking. AV good vs HAV/dropships which are good vs LAVs. HAVs/DS are meant to rain in control over the LAVs and AV is meant to destroy HAVs/DS, not LAVs. good old rock/paper/scissors. with less HAVs LAVs are ruling the field.
hooc order Deep Space Republic 292	Posted - 2013.06.10 02:16:00 - [19] - Quote ladwar wrote: hooc order wrote: "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you" Says the guy standing in the middle of the road between the objective and the enemy spawn. Your voice says the LAVs need a nerf yet the very video you are talking over shows they do not. his video just shows that HAVs need to be reworked because the can't fulfill their role. this and this threads have yet to receive a response from the devs and they do need it. Go to the video and when he says "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you". See where he is standing? Derpy derpy derp derp. Every played any FPS that is not this crap pile we call dust where a person can just stand in the middle of the road and annihilate everyone he sees with no cover what so ever? Are we seriously saying LAVs are even remotely a problem compared to what you are seeing in the video? Hell if anything the video shows LAVs need a buff so such horrible game play is less possible. There is a Planet side 2 video floating around the forums...go look at that for a comparison.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 600	Posted - 2013.06.10 02:18:00 - [20] - Quote Matakage wrote: ladwar wrote: I think your wrong. I think I know what CCP is thinking. AV good vs HAV/dropships which are good vs LAVs. HAVs/DS are meant to rain in control over the LAVs and AV is meant to destroy HAVs/DS, not LAVs. good old rock/paper/scissors. with less HAVs LAVs are ruling the field. So you're saying that in your ideal Dust 515 world, HAVs are the rock that beats LAVs scissors? I can't believe you really just said that. Wow. Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculously stupid? so your telling me that LAVs kill HAVs normally...right btw PS2 you don't have to buy an item every time just to unlock it

DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 419	Posted - 2013.06.10 02:40:00 - [21] - Quote hooc order wrote: ladwar wrote: hooc order wrote: "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you" Says the guy standing in the middle of the road between the objective and the enemy spawn. Your voice says the LAVs need a nerf yet the very video you are talking over shows they do not. his video just shows that HAVs need to be reworked because the can't fulfill their role. this and this threads have yet to receive a response from the devs and they do need it. Go to the video and when he says "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you". See where he is standing? Derpy derpy derp derp. Ever played any FPS that is not this crap pile we call dust where a person can just stand in the middle of the road and annihilate everyone he sees with no cover what so ever? Are we seriously saying LAVs are even remotely a problem compared to what you are seeing in the video? Hell if anything the video shows LAVs need a buff so such horrible game play is less possible. There is a Planet side 2 video floating around the forums...go look at that for a comparison. The gameplay is irrelevant. Go play Ambush and count LAVs.
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 390	Posted - 2013.06.10 02:48:00 - [22] - Quote TBH, I'm always afraid to use my Charybdis everytime there's a tank on the enemy team. If there's 2 I just don't bother. It's not that I get killed easily by the blasters, it's that I can't run over people as easily when there's a tank around. Sometimes, Lai Dai grenades kill my heavy driver, don't know why.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 294	Posted - 2013.06.10 02:49:00 - [23] - Quote I've been doing some thinking on LAVs lately. I think our biggest problem is the fact that AV grenades, which were the designed counter to murder taxiing are pretty much completely worthless if an lav is moving at all. I think this has to do with the client server desync that is plaguing mass drivers too. The av grenades are hitting either too early and only do glancing damage at the edge their blast radius or too late and they are bouncing off the lav before actually going off, and I think it's because the client and server think the lav is in different places. It's the only thing I can think of... Cause av grenades worked beautifully in chromosome and are practically useless in uprising. They work fine for HAVs cause those are so big and slow.
hooc order Deep Space Republic 292	Posted - 2013.06.10 02:55:00 - [24] - Quote DS 10 wrote: hooc order wrote: ladwar wrote: hooc order wrote: "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you" Says the guy standing in the middle of the road between the objective and the enemy spawn. Your voice says the LAVs need a nerf yet the very video you are talking over shows they do not. his video just shows that HAVs need to be reworked because the can't fulfill their role. this and this threads have yet to receive a response from the devs and they do need it. Go to the video and when he says "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you". See where he is standing? Derpy derpy derp derp. Ever played any FPS that is not this crap pile we call dust where a person can just stand in the middle of the road and annihilate everyone he sees with no cover what so ever? Are we seriously saying LAVs are even remotely a problem compared to what you are seeing in the video? Hell if anything the video shows LAVs need a buff so such horrible game play is less possible. There is a Planet side 2 video floating around the forums...go look at that for a comparison. The gameplay is irrelevant. Go play Ambush and count LAVs. I avoid ambush because it is a protostomp and when i get stuck in an ambush because my squad leader wants to play it i jump in an LAV because that is the only way for someone with only 2.3 million SP to kill anyone reliably....it is also why you are standing in the middle of the road annihilating everyone without one inch of cover. (well that and AR range is idiotic) The lav "problem" is directly related to the game play in your video. The entire SP/leveling system has broken this game and you even admitted in one of your videos. Hey news flash PC and faction warfare did not pull the 10 million SP players out of Pub matches.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 600	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:01:00 - [25] - Quote DS 10 wrote: hooc order wrote: ladwar wrote: hooc order wrote: "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you" Says the guy standing in the middle of the road between the objective and the enemy spawn. Your voice says the LAVs need a nerf yet the very video you are talking over shows they do not. his video just shows that HAVs need to be reworked because the can't fulfill their role. this and this threads have yet to receive a response from the devs and they do need it. Go to the video and when he says "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you". See where he is standing? Derpy derpy derp derp. Ever played any FPS that is not this crap pile we call dust where a person can just stand in the middle of the road and annihilate everyone he sees with no cover what so ever? Are we seriously saying LAVs are even remotely a problem compared to what you are seeing in the video? Hell if anything the video shows LAVs need a buff so such horrible game play is less possible. There is a Planet side 2 video floating around the forums...go look at that for a comparison. The gameplay is irrelevant. Go play Ambush and count LAVs. did.. was zero
Brutus Va'Khan Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.10 03:14:00 - [26] - Quote Murder taxis are fairly even. A good av nade will one shot them. Even my hmg drills through them, assuming they're dumb enough to not run away. One thing that should be fixed is the damage. Hitting somebody at full speed should definitely kill them. Going mid speed should wound and anything less does little to no damage. Also, the vehicle takes damage based on the weight of the player run over.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 420	Posted - 2013.06.10 10:04:00 - [27] - Quote hooc order wrote: DS 10 wrote: hooc order wrote: ladwar wrote: hooc order wrote: "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you" Says the guy standing in the middle of the road between the objective and the enemy spawn. Your voice says the LAVs need a nerf yet the very video you are talking over shows they do not. his video just shows that HAVs need to be reworked because the can't fulfill their role. this and this threads have yet to receive a response from the devs and they do need it. Go to the video and when he says "Get up high up where the LAVs can't get you". See where he is standing? Derpy derpy derp derp. Ever played any FPS that is not this crap pile we call dust where a person can just stand in the middle of the road and annihilate everyone he sees with no cover what so ever? Are we seriously saying LAVs are even remotely a problem compared to what you are seeing in the video? Hell if anything the video shows LAVs need a buff so such horrible game play is less possible. There is a Planet side 2 video floating around the forums...go look at that for a comparison. The gameplay is irrelevant. Go play Ambush and count LAVs. I avoid ambush because it is a protostomp and when i get stuck in an ambush because my squad leader wants to play it i jump in an LAV because that is the only way for someone with only 2.3 million SP to kill anyone reliably....it is also why you are standing in the middle of the road annihilating everyone without one inch of cover. (well that and AR range is idiotic) The lav "problem" is directly related to the game play in your video. The entire SP/leveling system has broken this game and you even admitted in one of your videos. Hey news flash PC and faction warfare did not pull the 10 million SP players out of Pub matches. I definitely agree with you. Until there's some kind of matchmaking, Dust will struggle to grow. FW doesn't give any incentive to play them over public matches, and there are usually only a couple at a time. People want to play continuously. FW forces ~10 minutes or more between games.
Epicsting pro Planetary Response Organization 21	Posted - 2013.06.28 11:10:00 - [28] - Quote Well I've invested 1mill sp in my logi lav but what I see is the no shield counter if there was a way to destroy my shield fast it wouldbe fine. So here a back story for ya'll i max plasma cannon and proficieny. It can kill my shield logi lav in 3 shots 2 to destroy it shields and half it armor 3rd to finish off. The problem with av nades and swarms is that they're explosive witch get a penalty to shields. My logi lav has 40% shield resistance right now swarm and av nades do nothing to my shields, there needs to be a shield av nade if you want to kill my lav. Speed need to be a part of killing someone and lavs need to show up on radar.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 228	Posted - 2013.06.28 11:40:00 - [29] - Quote This is my possible solution for the logi LAV, flip them. For the MLT LAV i agree with a nerf on their total HP. But the problem with the LLAV is with the caldari, the limbus is hard to kill but not as hard as the charybids.
CPT Cave Man BurgezzE.T.F 1	Posted - 2013.06.28 12:04:00 - [30] - Quote If the characters didn't move at a snails pace, minus a speed tanked scout, then we could stand a chance jumping out of the way. CCP why did you make the suits move so damn slow?????



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