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J0HNNY BLAZE NEW AGE EMPIRE The Family Syndicate 35	Posted - 2013.06.09 16:51:00 - [31] - Quote lot of people hate cause this is game is no where near like call of duty.. meaning the noob aim system they have in COD.. this game doesn't cater to the noob like players and you cant be good at this game over night that's what makes this game good to me,,like any mmo you gotta get your skills and gear up first before you can try and go heads up or last in a pc match.. sorry most of you players are hateing it right now but for me im a counter strike vet so this game system I like just the way it is..over 6k players play on a daily basis I think that's not bad so far...yeah they should of kept the game in beta still but ehh what can you do.. bottom line I believe in ccp's track record and I think this game will be just fine
Jason Punk DUST University Ivy League 118	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:36:00 - [32] - Quote Jason Punk wrote: Easy folks, I agree with Blaze. The game is ass, but you know what...it's my favorite part about her. She might be a bit skanky on the edges and slow to all my jokes, but I've decided to take care of her and love her all the same ^^ As for dates and progress, I recommend listening very closely to this off-beat interview from about a month ago. Didn't get a lot of focus, but the idea is simple in that the past several months have been literally hardlined on server and cluster revamping and bringing the two IP's together since open beta. Every day since then has been better and more smooth in development. "There's a lot more we have that we don't quite let people on to" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xeNmQv6GxA as I feel no one actually watched video who posted afterwards
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 326	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:42:00 - [33] - Quote J0HNNY BLAZE wrote: bottom line I believe in ccp's track record and I think this game will be just fine Please enlighten us about ccp's track record for the one game not counting dust they have made in 10 or 12 years.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1873	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:46:00 - [34] - Quote CCP's Endgame
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 226	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:46:00 - [35] - Quote Yeah man lets talk about PS4 and mad Graphiczz! that are gonna be Ausomeneszzz! This is exactly what the game needs right now, right? People have been talking about the 'mad potential' of Dust for 3 years? Have you seen any potential materialize yet? All I am seeing is a game that was outsourced to a small Chinese office 'CCP Shanghai' with a gameplay to match this ambitious development effort.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 226	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:50:00 - [36] - Quote J0HNNY BLAZE wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: I got excited too until I think about all the things we were promised that are, at best, literally YEARS away. Now im just depressed, what if the game doesn't last that long and I miss out on all the potentially awesome stuff? well look at how ***** eve started off and look at where they are now.. im sure this game will pick up This is not PC world. I play on console because I don't believe in wasting time on 'creative' indie/DIY projects with creative f2p schemes that abound in the PC world. I want to give my money to a big evil corporation with dumb drones for devs that actually know what they are doing and have done it many times before and will turn out a game with the right specifications, so that it plays like it should and not with hollow promises to arrive at that point years away.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 15	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:56:00 - [37] - Quote J0HNNY BLAZE wrote: lot of people hate cause this is game is no where near like call of duty.. meaning the noob aim system they have in COD.. this game doesn't cater to the noob like players and you cant be good at this game over night that's what makes this game good to me,,like any mmo you gotta get your skills and gear up first before you can try and go heads up or last in a pc match.. sorry most of you players are hateing it right now but for me im a counter strike vet so this game system I like just the way it is..over 6k players play on a daily basis I think that's not bad so far...yeah they should of kept the game in beta still but ehh what can you do.. bottom line I believe in ccp's track record and I think this game will be just fine Counter strike is a skill based game, a very difficult no frills shooter. No where in that game do they have a huge wall that can only be overcome by grind grind against opponents who are seriously more powerful than you. I wish Dust took some notes from CS and less COD. In CS, you try to lonewolf...well you are just dead. You have to play tactically. But CS does have some balance and lots of maps... something Dust is lacking. I love Dust...just not for the fps experience.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 226	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:56:00 - [38] - Quote Django Quik wrote: I must've missed the part in that article that specifically stated dust will be on PS4. Pretty sure they paid it would be a year or so ago but since them have been decidedly sheepish and avoided answering the question. With its current overwhelming success I don't think they will be invited to PS4.
Knightshade Belladonna WH0 G1VSA FL0CK GLOCKS 329	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:58:00 - [39] - Quote I was there.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 226	Posted - 2013.06.09 18:02:00 - [40] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: hooc order wrote: Django Quik wrote: I must've missed the part in that article that specifically stated dust will be on PS4. Pretty sure they paid it would be a year or so ago but since them have been decidedly sheepish and avoided answering the question. Maybe waiting for E3. If there is no talk about it at E3 then i suspect it will be a long long time before it goes to next gen consoles. Of course looking at the player base numbers i don't think dust has a long time. The player base for a F2P game is terrible... For a F2P game to success, you need to be looking at the 10,000 player base at any time of the day, and 15,000 in pick time. Dust 514 is no where near that numbers. You know something is wrong, when people don't wants to play your game for FREE. Let's run the numbers. for 10 k players to be on at any time, there is gotta be maybe 40 times more of the players who actually play more or less regularly. Sounds about fair? So that's 400k players in all. If only 1/10th of the players pay any money for the game and say, on average maybe $5-10 a month, that's $200-400k in revenue for the company every month. To build a modern competitive shooter, you gotta cough up about 20 mil in production cost, right? So it must take 100 months or 8 years just to make its money back for the company. And this is why f2p fails. You just cant build a quality game with that kind of accounting.

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 226	Posted - 2013.06.09 18:07:00 - [41] - Quote agustis caesar wrote: you people are hilarious. The games been released for what, a month? Oh, it sucks, it wont last one year blah blah blah. Its FREE, what are you bitching about? EVE was no where near what it is now upon release (I know, I was there). you had cruisers, frigates, battleships and mining (not the hulk) ships, and the cargo ships, that was it. Now look at all the ships now. We only had t1 gear. at peak time there was at most 1500 logged in. You people have no faith. You guys also seem to think that making a great game is so easy....Its a wonder not every game out there is great. So many turds get relesed every year. why? Isnt it easy? How many games have you created? haters gonna hate. It may be an appauling surprize to you but EVE is not a well developed MMO. All it got going for it is SOV and PVP concenpts that other MMO games were not good at implementing. This is what keeps ppl playing EVE. The actual content of EVE is garbage. All the quests/missions in the game are probably the worst in the industry: they are all clones of one another: go shoot NPC mob and come back. The NPC in the game are just !! static pictures - something from probably the 80s standard for an RPG. So when making comparisons, don't set EVE to be some sort of high standard. It is a successful niche game because of a couple of well implemented concepts in the game not because it's highly developed or polished.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 226	Posted - 2013.06.09 18:08:00 - [42] - Quote ScI-Iurk wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: agustis caesar wrote: you people are hilarious. The games been released for what, a month? Oh, it sucks, it wont last one year blah blah blah. Its FREE, what are you bitching about? EVE was no where near what it is now upon release (I know, I was there). you had cruisers, frigates, battleships and mining (not the hulk) ships, and the cargo ships, that was it. Now look at all the ships now. We only had t1 gear. at peak time there was at most 1500 logged in. You people have no faith. You guys also seem to think that making a great game is so easy....Its a wonder not every game out there is great. So many turds get relesed every year. why? Isnt it easy? How many games have you created? haters gonna hate. I don't make any games, and i'm not a Dev. But i been playing games for long enough, to know the difference between a Great game, and a "Good" idea. Games that have a "Good" idea, are normally the platform for other companies to exploit that potential. Happen so many times.. i lost the count. CCP is going to spend years trying to make this "Good Idea" happen, and someone like Microsoft games, or EA, or any other big company.. just going to come around, and exploit the full potential with a GREAT game. Dust isn't perfect. It's called mediocre at the moment. Every update will add quality and stuff. this will go on and on and on. If you don't like it now come back and play in 6 months a year whatever it's F2P. CCP is trying something revolutionary in the world of computer games. Just wait and see what happens. PS. Don't hold their strategy next to EA's please their playing a different sport. How much quality has been added in a year and a half since early beta I wonder?
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 226	Posted - 2013.06.09 18:13:00 - [43] - Quote J0HNNY BLAZE wrote: lot of people hate cause this is game is no where near like call of duty.. meaning the noob aim system they have in COD.. this game doesn't cater to the noob like players and you cant be good at this game over night that's what makes this game good to me,,like any mmo you gotta get your skills and gear up first before you can try and go heads up or last in a pc match.. sorry most of you players are hateing it right now but for me im a counter strike vet so this game system I like just the way it is..over 6k players play on a daily basis I think that's not bad so far...yeah they should of kept the game in beta still but ehh what can you do.. bottom line I believe in ccp's track record and I think this game will be just fine So you are calling a polished aiming system of COD bad right and Dust's superior to that? Did I understand that first part correctly? Please note, I hate COD's autoaim because it is an autoaim but at least it's well executed, I'll give them that. Your 'skill' in dust means that you gotta jump on that proto AR and practive long and hard to beat games rusty controls instead of enjoying a good aiming system and working at being faster and more accurate with it than the next guy.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 791	Posted - 2013.06.09 18:59:00 - [44] - Quote J0HNNY BLAZE wrote: lot of people hate cause this is game is no where near like call of duty.. meaning the noob aim system they have in COD.. this game doesn't cater to the noob like players and you cant be good at this game over night that's what makes this game good to me,,like any mmo you gotta get your skills and gear up first before you can try and go heads up or last in a pc match.. sorry most of you players are hateing it right now but for me im a counter strike vet so this game system I like just the way it is..over 6k players play on a daily basis I think that's not bad so far...yeah they should of kept the game in beta still but ehh what can you do.. bottom line I believe in ccp's track record and I think this game will be just fine The "noob aim system"? Are you kidding? CoD's controls are a hundred times better. CoD may be repetitive and boring after a while but the matches themselves feel good to play, unlike DUST which is repetitive, AND boring ingame and longterm, AND is a headache and frusturation to just shoot and do the FPS'ing...
Nebra Tene Roaming Blades 55	Posted - 2013.06.09 19:31:00 - [45] - Quote agustis caesar wrote: you people are hilarious. The games been released for what, a month? Oh, it sucks, it wont last one year blah blah blah. Its FREE, what are you bitching about? EVE was no where near what it is now upon release (I know, I was there). you had cruisers, frigates, battleships and mining (not the hulk) ships, and the cargo ships, that was it. Now look at all the ships now. We only had t1 gear. at peak time there was at most 1500 logged in. You people have no faith. You guys also seem to think that making a great game is so easy....Its a wonder not every game out there is great. So many turds get relesed every year. why? Isnt it easy? How many games have you created? haters gonna hate. J0HNNY BLAZE wrote: well look at how *** eve started off and look at where they are now.. im sure this game will pick up Yes, Eve started poorly and now its a decent game, but you have to keep in mind: - it was TEN YEARS, just think about how long that is... - EVE is not a shooter or a console game. - That EVE was a success does NOT in any way, shape, or form guarantees that DUST will be as successful or successful at all, even in such time, contrary to popular belief, EVE is not DUST, and they're two completely different games that share some elements. - "Oh but DUST won't take that long" Oh ok, so we only have to wait a year to have the game fixed, 2 more to add in all the cool fun stuff that was promised a year ago, 1 more to fix what the cool stuff broke, then another 3 to bring in all the cool stuff they're talking about now, hooray...? (Not necessarily in that order of course, they'll be working on adding stuff while fixing stuff, but all the fixing is going to take some time and cause delays.) Also keep in mind Dust has already been what, years in BETA and who knows how long in ALPHA? Even with that, look how it ended up in release! No its not horrible or the worst game ever, I'd say its about average with A LOT of problems. So where did all ambition and those years in the making go to? Now its mostly delay after delay with a promise of "a better future," while the game has actually gotten worse than it used to be... "Oh if you don't like it, go play another game." That my friends is really the most useless response you can give and shows you truly don't care about the game and are just blindly following it. No, defending the game does not make you a "fanboy" or a blind follower, just ignoring everything and trying to send away anyone who shows any sign of displease with the game, does. Same, anyone who shows displease at the game's "CURRENT state does not automatically make them a hater, yes there are haters and same as the blind fanboys, simply ignoring what everyone says and saying "lolol this game sux, y u still play?" kind of response does. "Oh but its free to play, don't complain" You are correct that this game is free to play, that is true, BUT you forget there's many people who HAVE paid money be merely for support or not, do these people not have a right to show displease with the product they've invested money on? J0HNNY BLAZE wrote:** lot of people hate cause this is game is no where near like call of duty.. meaning the noob aim system they have in COD.. this game doesn't cater to the noob like players and you cant be good at this game over night that's what makes this game good to me,,like any mmo you gotta get your skills and gear up first before you can try and go heads up or last in a pc match.. sorry most of you players are hateing it right now but for me im a counter strike vet so this game system I like just the way it is..over 6k players play on a daily basis I think that's not bad so far...yeah they should of kept the game in beta still but ehh what can you do.. bottom line I believe in ccp's track record and I think this game will be just fine If it was JUST people that played and adored COD the ones that complain, don't you think they would've gone back to playing CoD already instead of actually taking the time to write about what they dislike of the game in hopes it is an actual problem? Yes, not all the complain threads are useful or actual feedback, but that doesn't mean everyone who complains is a "hater." Also that YOU like certain aspects of the game does not make it perfect or that no one has a right to complain about those things just because you personally like it, you forget this is an online game with thousands of players, you have to be more open minded. As I said, don't get me wrong, I like the game as much as the next Duster, but that does not mean the game doesn't have tons of problems, bugs, or that it isn't broken as heck. One can like the game and still admit its in pretty bad shape, as I said before, people who complain are not necessarily "haters." TL;DR: - TEN YEARS, that's a long time. - EVE =/= Dust. - Dust may have been officially out for just a month, but its been in development for years and we still have to wait many more for it to be decent/ "reach its potential." - People that defend Dust aren't always blind fanboys, people who complain about Dust aren't always haters. - "Its F2P don't complain" is not the case for everyone, a lot of people have invested money on the game, (PS: @BLAZE & caesar, this is mostly a response to those kind of comments from everyone in general since those arguments are used somewhat commonly, not trying to target you two specifically with most of my response except for a few areas,
Disturbingly Bored Universal Allies Inc. 260	Posted - 2013.06.09 20:18:00 - [46] - Quote Whether or not DUST will ever be upgraded to the point that it's considered a mainstream success, I sincerely doubt it's going anywhere in the three to five years. Even if it never tops 10,000 active players. Why? There's a subset of people out dropping bank on this game... I've seen way too many people in Dren suits. That Elite Pack looks like it's flying off the shelves.
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES EoN. 59	Posted - 2013.06.09 20:22:00 - [47] - Quote CCP does not have years to make this game enjoyable to all. they have until the end of this year, because once the PS4 comes out a lot of free games like dust will be made available to us. like planetside 2 an already polished game.
agustis caesar Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2013.06.09 20:44:00 - [48] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: J0HNNY BLAZE wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: I got excited too until I think about all the things we were promised that are, at best, literally YEARS away. Now im just depressed, what if the game doesn't last that long and I miss out on all the potentially awesome stuff? well look at how ***** eve started off and look at where they are now.. im sure this game will pick up This is not PC world. I play on console because I don't believe in wasting time on 'creative' indie/DIY projects with creative f2p schemes that abound in the PC world. I want to give my money to a big evil corporation with dumb drones for devs that actually know what they are doing and have done it many times before and will turn out a game with the right specifications, so that it plays like it should and not with hollow promises to arrive at that point years away. no ones making you play this game. GTFO noob
agustis caesar Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2013.06.09 20:53:00 - [49] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: agustis caesar wrote: you people are hilarious. The games been released for what, a month? Oh, it sucks, it wont last one year blah blah blah. Its FREE, what are you bitching about? EVE was no where near what it is now upon release (I know, I was there). you had cruisers, frigates, battleships and mining (not the hulk) ships, and the cargo ships, that was it. Now look at all the ships now. We only had t1 gear. at peak time there was at most 1500 logged in. You people have no faith. You guys also seem to think that making a great game is so easy....Its a wonder not every game out there is great. So many turds get relesed every year. why? Isnt it easy? How many games have you created? haters gonna hate. It may be an appauling surprize to you but EVE is not a well developed MMO. All it got going for it is SOV and PVP concenpts that other MMO games were not good at implementing. This is what keeps ppl playing EVE. The actual content of EVE is garbage. All the quests/missions in the game are probably the worst in the industry: they are all clones of one another: go shoot NPC mob and come back. The NPC in the game are just !! static pictures - something from probably the 80s standard for an RPG. So when making comparisons, don't set EVE to be some sort of high standard. It is a successful niche game because of a couple of well implemented concepts in the game not because it's highly developed or polished. All it has going for it is SOV and PVP? I dunno, I kinda have fun doing other stuffs too. I like exploration, running down wormholes (just because you dont have the skills to find wormholes, doesent mean other people dont like it) , I enjoy manufacturing, and even sometimes mining. I do like some of the missions, but lets be honest, who plays MMO's for the quests? besides that fact that theyre easy isk, what more do you want? Do you want the spectacular voice acting like in SWTOR? EVE is a great MMO, which is why it isa still around nd growing while other mmos fade away after a few years. Im not saying that it is perfect, but what game is? Some gamers are picky little bitches. Like I said, haters gonna hate.
agustis caesar Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2013.06.09 21:09:00 - [50] - Quote Nebra Tene wrote: agustis caesar wrote: you people are hilarious. The games been released for what, a month? Oh, it sucks, it wont last one year blah blah blah. Its FREE, what are you bitching about? EVE was no where near what it is now upon release (I know, I was there). you had cruisers, frigates, battleships and mining (not the hulk) ships, and the cargo ships, that was it. Now look at all the ships now. We only had t1 gear. at peak time there was at most 1500 logged in. You people have no faith. You guys also seem to think that making a great game is so easy....Its a wonder not every game out there is great. So many turds get relesed every year. why? Isnt it easy? How many games have you created? haters gonna hate. J0HNNY BLAZE wrote: well look at how ***** eve started off and look at where they are now.. im sure this game will pick up Yes, Eve started poorly and now its a decent game, but you have to keep in mind: - it was TEN YEARS, just think about how long that is... - EVE is not a shooter or a console game. - That EVE was a success does NOT in any way, shape, or form guarantees that DUST will be as successful or successful at all, even in such time, contrary to popular belief, EVE is not DUST, and they're two completely different games that share some elements. - "Oh but DUST won't take that long" Oh ok, so we only have to wait a year to have the game fixed, 2 more to add in all the cool fun stuff that was promised a year ago, 1 more to fix what the cool stuff broke, then another 3 to bring in all the cool stuff they're talking about now, hooray...? (Not necessarily in that order of course, they'll be working on adding stuff while fixing stuff, but all the fixing is going to take some time and cause delays.) Also keep in mind Dust has already been what, years in BETA and who knows how long in ALPHA? Even with that, look how it ended up in release! No its not horrible or the worst game ever, I'd say its about average with A LOT of problems. So where did all ambition and those years in the making go to? Now its mostly delay after delay with a promise of "a better future," while the game has actually gotten worse than it used to be... anyone who shows any sign of displease with the game, does...... (PS: @BLAZE & caesar, this is mostly a response to those kind of comments from everyone in general since those arguments are used somewhat commonly, not trying to target you two specifically with most of my response except for a few areas, Complaining about things are one thing, but saying the game is horrible, CCP are idiots, its going to fail, etc etc....that is not healthy complaining, that is hating. There is a difference. Insulting artists and Engineers, is not healthy complaining. If people merely pointed out flaws or possible improvements, that would healthy critiques from customers. When people begin to insult, then they cross a line. There are many things about dust I dont like, for example the logistal LAVs' infantry repair tool, it is too hard to use, unless the soldier youre trying to repair just chills by your car, you are not going to get a lock to be able to heal. Thats a lame design choice and needs to be changed. See, I dont think dust is perfect, haha. Aiming sucks, but since I just started, I assume it will get better with more SP. see, pointing out flaws, is not insulting. I didnt say CCP is dumb and dont know how to make games, or this game is so fail, or whatever. Many of the complaints come from people who have playted beta for a LONG time. Well.....if you dont like the game, you know from beta that you dont like it, why the hell would someone continue playing it?



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