If had to balance it would buff AV grenade damage much more, but limit them to one throw and buff the other AV options to compensate and make them all very slow to restock from any source.

Increase Vehicle HP but lower their ability to self repair.

tanks are almost extinct...

tanks are almost extinct...

I cannot beleive you are forcing me to defend IWS.

The comment is being taken out of context. He was posting a hypothetical option, loosely stated at that. If the CPM had an official or grouped position on AV/Vehicle balancing I'd like to hear it. Currently they're probably still trying to make somekind of meaningful contact with CCP.

Exmaple Core you are certainly right about "tanks and AV never being balanced" since something new always has a way of popping up in the form of weapon, changes in maps, changes in game mode, etc.

I cannot beleive you are forcing me to defend IWS.

The comment is being taken out of context. He was posting a hypothetical option, loosely stated at that. If the CPM had an official or grouped position on AV/Vehicle balancing I'd like to hear it. Currently they're probably still trying to make somekind of meaningful contact with CCP.

Exmaple Core you are certainly right about "tanks and AV never being balanced" since something new always has a way of popping up in the form of weapon, changes in maps, changes in game mode, etc.

that's actually not out of context. all of CPM have little to no sp vehicles in general and some are AV guys that want more nerfs on vehicles.

that's actually not out of context. all of CPM have little to no sp vehicles in general and some are AV guys that want more nerfs on vehicles.

Tanks and AV aren't meant to be balanced, just the same way rock and paper will never be balanced...

Picture if the rock was a wrecking ball and scissors was a thumbtac.

Also the person carrying the wreckingball also had some spare paper, just incase.

And the wreckingball cost 50k isk and the thumbtac cost 2 million.

and the wreckingball cost 300k sp investment and the thumbtac cost 7 million.

that's actually not out of context. all of CPM have little to no sp vehicles in general and some are AV guys that want more nerfs on vehicles.

No, the rock is just a rock.

The point is tanks are bad now and the ppl CCP are listening to want tanks to have it even worse. CCP does not listen to the public for balancing, they listen to CMPs and it is apparent tanks are going to be hit again

av doesnt need a nerf ....tanks need they're proto equivalencies

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When we get adv or even proto vehicles then things might be different.

So a tank doesn't cost 2 million ISK?
So a tank doesn't require 7 million SP?
So Proto AV costs more than 400k SP?
So a person with a duvolle and a packed lai dai isn't perfectly capable of killing infantry and tanks?

If a vehicle costs twenty times more than a dropsuit loadout, why the hell should it be balanced?

If it's not OP at that point, it's pretty much garbage.

I have heard this so many times and, frankly, I do not believe it. What would a Prototype Tank get to help against Prototype AV weapons, but not be considered overpowered?

The previous Advanced Tanks had about 600-800 more HP and a high slot for the Surya and a low slot for the Sagaris. Those slots do not help the Tanks survive in any meaningful way. The Sagaris might get put in a Power Diagnostics to get some extra shield or the Surya might get a Damage Control Module or an Afterburner, but that is pittance compared to the increase of like 30%+ damage to Prototype AV.

Giving players back the 5% PG per level would mean Tanks wouldn't be forced to use LAV modules or use PG modules (this kills my Madrugar's tank) to fit Standard level gear. I use Standard guns with Standard Modules and I still need to use a 12% PG module on a Standard Tank; imagine if a Standard Assault Dropsuit couldn't fit Standard Gear without a PG module. Gaining more PG I would be able to use that Slot for something more helpful than "you have to use this or you can't turn on your tank."

Give Tanks back the PG Skill, reduce the effectiveness of AV grenades (lower damage or homing or make it a bigger sacrifice than just losing Locus grenades), and I would be oh-so happy ... even if I spend more cash and SP in using a Tank than someone does destroying it.

Be well.

I have heard this so many times and, frankly, I do not believe it. What would a Prototype Tank get to help against Prototype AV weapons, but not be considered overpowered?

The previous Advanced Tanks had about 600-800 more HP and a high slot for the Surya and a low slot for the Sagaris. Those slots do not help the Tanks survive in any meaningful way. The Sagaris might get put in a Power Diagnostics to get some extra shield or the Surya might get a Damage Control Module or an Afterburner, but that is pittance compared to the increase of like 30%+ damage to Prototype AV.

Giving players back the 5% PG per level would mean Tanks wouldn't be forced to use LAV modules or use PG modules (this kills my Madrugar's tank) to fit Standard level gear. I use Standard guns with Standard Modules and I still need to use a 12% PG module on a Standard Tank; imagine if a Standard Assault Dropsuit couldn't fit Standard Gear without a PG module. Gaining more PG I would be able to use that Slot for something more helpful than "you have to use this or you can't turn on your tank."

Give Tanks back the PG Skill, reduce the effectiveness of AV grenades (lower damage or homing or make it a bigger sacrifice than just losing Locus grenades), and I would be oh-so happy ... even if I spend more cash and SP in using a Tank than someone does destroying it.

Be well.

This is completly correct, a proto tank will have nothing to boast when compared to proto AV and will blow up all the same. With the current trend tanks get worse as they progress, the Enforcer tank has less HP and is slower, the extra damage does not make up dfor the lack of survivabilty. The standard tanks are better

Since we have roll specific tanks, I wonder how proto will work with this.

Think medium frame. You got your basic then Logi or Assault. Say if we get proto vehicles, will this apply to our basic chassis? Like Gunn would get a proto then from there you would tree off into either en Enforcer, Black Ops, or Maurader?
Then proto variants of those.

Neat to think about it, buuuuut, doubt a future in those