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Shady IceCream Truck wrote:

EXASTRA INVICTAS wrote:

Are we now expected to balance the game based on the whims of someone whose sole argument is "I'm good with the SMG at other video games?" I did indeed fully read your post but you mentioned your KDR so much that it felt like you were trying to shove your superiority complex itself down my throat.

That aside, I will grant you conversation in that I also feel the SMG feels underpowered, but to a different degree than you. If you are using the SMG as a primary weapon, I can understand why you'd be frustrated with it:

Burning through shields with it is nearly impossible. Even vs. Gallente Medium suits.

I will use my Dren Assault Rifle to cut through shields and then swap to my SMG just to shred through the armor. Against armor, it is actually REALLY effective. The issues are RANGE and ACCURACY.

The gun feels like it's inaccurate solely to make it different from pistols. I can understand where they're coming from in a balance perspective, but the gun feels too inaccurate, to be honest. This combined with its limited range make it feel entirely like a spray-and-pray weapon. And hence that is how it's used.

The Scrambler Pistol is, to a certain extent, equal and opposite the SMG. Great accuracy, good range, stronger vs shields than armor, and low fire rate. However, I've never had a problem using the Scrambler Pistol to burn through someone's armor. It's really good against shields, and good enough against armor to get the job done. But the SMG just doesn't have that feel.

Am I going to pretend I know the perfect way to balance it? No. But I can say, don't compare it to real life weapons, please. All of the weapons in this game look like trash compared to modern weapons, modern weapons aren't a balancing factor.

this is about scouts. and he clearly demonstrated they are broken.. try again


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EXASTRA INVICTAS Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 92	Posted - 2013.06.08 16:42:00 - [1] - Quote Are we now expected to balance the game based on the whims of someone whose sole argument is "I'm good with the SMG at other video games?" I did indeed fully read your post but you mentioned your KDR so much that it felt like you were trying to shove your superiority complex itself down my throat. That aside, I will grant you conversation in that I also feel the SMG feels underpowered, but to a different degree than you. If you are using the SMG as a primary weapon, I can understand why you'd be frustrated with it: Burning through shields with it is nearly impossible. Even vs. Gallente Medium suits. I will use my Dren Assault Rifle to cut through shields and then swap to my SMG just to shred through the armor. Against armor, it is actually REALLY effective. The issues are RANGE and ACCURACY. The gun feels like it's inaccurate solely to make it different from pistols. I can understand where they're coming from in a balance perspective, but the gun feels too inaccurate, to be honest. This combined with its limited range make it feel entirely like a spray-and-pray weapon. And hence that is how it's used. The Scrambler Pistol is, to a certain extent, equal and opposite the SMG. Great accuracy, good range, stronger vs shields than armor, and low fire rate. However, I've never had a problem using the Scrambler Pistol to burn through someone's armor. It's really good against shields, and good enough against armor to get the job done. But the SMG just doesn't have that feel. Am I going to pretend I know the perfect way to balance it? No. But I can say, don't compare it to real life weapons, please. All of the weapons in this game look like trash compared to modern weapons, modern weapons aren't a balancing factor.
EXASTRA INVICTAS Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 96	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:09:00 - [2] - Quote Shady IceCream Truck wrote: EXASTRA INVICTAS wrote: Are we now expected to balance the game based on the whims of someone whose sole argument is "I'm good with the SMG at other video games?" I did indeed fully read your post but you mentioned your KDR so much that it felt like you were trying to shove your superiority complex itself down my throat. That aside, I will grant you conversation in that I also feel the SMG feels underpowered, but to a different degree than you. If you are using the SMG as a primary weapon, I can understand why you'd be frustrated with it: Burning through shields with it is nearly impossible. Even vs. Gallente Medium suits. I will use my Dren Assault Rifle to cut through shields and then swap to my SMG just to shred through the armor. Against armor, it is actually REALLY effective. The issues are RANGE and ACCURACY. The gun feels like it's inaccurate solely to make it different from pistols. I can understand where they're coming from in a balance perspective, but the gun feels too inaccurate, to be honest. This combined with its limited range make it feel entirely like a spray-and-pray weapon. And hence that is how it's used. The Scrambler Pistol is, to a certain extent, equal and opposite the SMG. Great accuracy, good range, stronger vs shields than armor, and low fire rate. However, I've never had a problem using the Scrambler Pistol to burn through someone's armor. It's really good against shields, and good enough against armor to get the job done. But the SMG just doesn't have that feel. Am I going to pretend I know the perfect way to balance it? No. But I can say, don't compare it to real life weapons, please. All of the weapons in this game look like trash compared to modern weapons, modern weapons aren't a balancing factor. this is about scouts. and he clearly demonstrated they are broken.. try again Your posts always seem to be chock full of useful information. He made nearly an entire post dedicated to the SMG, and only a little over a paragraph related to the scout itself. The majority of his original post was "about scouts" in that "oh look at me I'm good at First Person Shooters" "I'm a scout!" "look at my kills in other games!" "Did I mention I don't play that scrub game CoD?" His major problem with the scout class is its weaponry, if you had paid attention. He likes the Pistol fine, wants lunging on the knives, and finds the module slot progression (and speed progression) of the scout suit to be bonkers. One of his major problems is that the scout class is entirely unfinished. The scout suit was made for the Covert Ops role, and if you flew a Covert Ops ship in EVE without T2 cloaks, you're a moron. Anyone can tell that the problem with the Scout suit itself is that it's too easy for people to notice your presence. You're supposed to be sneaky, not charging from the front. But when you're just as visible as everyone else, you are failing at your role. The problem for this doesn't lie in the gamer, but in the lack of the cloak. Do knives need lunging? No, they need a cloak. Do SMGs need a huge damage buff and range buff? No, but they are in need of a SLIGHT buff in some form. Do Scout suits need more HP? No, their EHP is fine as is with their speed. They need cloaks. Is the pistol really fine? Yes. Does moving backwards need fixed? Yes, slightly. Do Gallente scouts speeds need fixed? Equalized at least. Try again.