DUST Search - Proto-scrabler pistol.

Fiasco Llana wrote:

2100 Angels wrote:

Fiasco Llana wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

Funny thing is, I was going crazy with the pistol today I absolutely love it. I have even rocked it with three damage mods just to see how much damage it did. Unless he was a caldari logi and had a breach pistol he could not have one shotted you (even then I don't think it would).

Believe me, you can't one shot with any other pistol unless it's a headshot.

I can't kill someone in one hit to the body most of the time hitting 550 damage.

1. You can't body shot anybody with 550 damage with any sniper rifle. The charge deals 460 with 3 complex damage mods, and the thales deals 508 (with proficiency 5)

5 complex damage mods, 5 proficiency, charge sniper. In its current state the complex damage mods are bugged so there is no penalty of stacking. 486 damage.

2. Damage specs for the scrambler pistols are widely available. You can plainly see that a body shot will not yield 380 damage, however, the headshot multiplier is 450%, so it is well within the realm of possibility that this would kill you in one shot. I would hazard a guess that there was either a bug with the revive symbol or your friend lied to you.

Fair enough, I'll go with bug. Don't know about you but I don't hang around liars.

3. Aside from all of this, you're correct in saying that the hit detection for snipers is grossly unacceptable, and I'll add to that by saying it is also grossly unacceptable that the rendering distance when ADS of a non-officer sniper is ~400m when the range is 599.. and goes a long way to invalidating its range advantage.

Agreed and +1 for not being an idiot like everyone else on the forums.

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Fiasco Llana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 334	Posted - 2013.06.08 02:46:00 - [1] - Quote I'm not calling for a nerf, but I am QQIng. Deal with it. This thing is stupidly powerful, faced blank, because no name and shame, huehuehue from huehuehue who had one equipped, I shot him in the face in an ambush match and he comes searching for me (running like 600m for one kill lmao) I spot him, so I start shooting at him, as he abuses hit detection physics. (Zigzagging and bunny hopping, also he has mcdonalds wi-fi so that just made it worse.) Get multiple shots on him with my proto-tac sniper, full complex damage mods. 1st shot hits him, 2nd shot hits him, 3rd shot hits him no damage. Reload. his shields regenerated, 4th shot hits him no damage, 5th shot hits him no damage, 6th shot hits him. by this time he's about 45-50m in front of me, he shoots me one time with a scrambler pistol and I am dead. One shot? By a pistol? 200 shields 180 armor You're telling me a scrambler pistol does more damage than a proto-charge rifle with no damage mods? It was not a headshot, had another sniper behind me who took him out after I died with a SMG. he had a nano-injector and said my revive icon was there. What is the point of carrying a sniper rifle if I can just run around with a proto-scrambler pistol and one shot everything? That is my question.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 219	Posted - 2013.06.08 02:48:00 - [2] - Quote Fiasco Llana wrote: It was not a headshot. Yes it was.
Fiasco Llana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 334	Posted - 2013.06.08 02:50:00 - [3] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Fiasco Llana wrote: It was not a headshot. Yes it was. Lrn2read
Isaa Quade PROJECT 86 U 150	Posted - 2013.06.08 02:50:00 - [4] - Quote Fiasco Llana wrote: What is the point of carrying a sniper rifle if I can just run around with a proto-scrambler pistol and one shot everything? That is my question. Because while the pistol is more powerful, it requires risking your clone in close combat, thus balancing the risk versus reward ratio
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 219	Posted - 2013.06.08 02:51:00 - [5] - Quote Fiasco Llana wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Fiasco Llana wrote: It was not a headshot. Yes it was. Lrn2read Lrn2shoot Mmm salty tears
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 648	Posted - 2013.06.08 02:51:00 - [6] - Quote Funny thing is, I was going crazy with the pistol today I absolutely love it. I have even rocked it with three damage mods just to see how much damage it did. Unless he was a caldari logi and had a breach pistol he could not have one shotted you (even then I don't think it would). Believe me, you can't one shot with any other pistol unless it's a headshot.
Fiasco Llana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 334	Posted - 2013.06.08 02:56:00 - [7] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Funny thing is, I was going crazy with the pistol today I absolutely love it. I have even rocked it with three damage mods just to see how much damage it did. Unless he was a caldari logi and had a breach pistol he could not have one shotted you (even then I don't think it would). Believe me, you can't one shot with any other pistol unless it's a headshot. It was either a proto scrambler pistol or the officer variant if there is one. 1 shot is stupid. I can't kill someone in one hit to the body most of the time hitting 550 damage. So this thing can probably kill anything in two hits right? Point still stands, why use a charge rifle if I can use a proto scrambler pistol. Faster reload, faster ADS, faster fire rate, more damage, less range. What's the point of range on the sniper if hit detection is so terrible that anything beyond 120m is impossible to hit. Never gotten officer anything in 1+ years of playing this game.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 219	Posted - 2013.06.08 03:16:00 - [8] - Quote Fiasco Llana wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Funny thing is, I was going crazy with the pistol today I absolutely love it. I have even rocked it with three damage mods just to see how much damage it did. Unless he was a caldari logi and had a breach pistol he could not have one shotted you (even then I don't think it would). Believe me, you can't one shot with any other pistol unless it's a headshot. It was either a proto scrambler pistol or the officer variant if there is one. 1 shot is stupid. I can't kill someone in one hit to the body most of the time hitting 550 damage. So this thing can probably kill anything in two hits right? Point still stands, why use a charge rifle if I can use a proto scrambler pistol. Faster reload, faster ADS, faster fire rate, more damage, less range. What's the point of range on the sniper if hit detection is so terrible that anything beyond 120m is impossible to hit. Never gotten officer anything in 1+ years of playing this game. I got wolfmans scrambler pistol and even that cant one shot someone.
Anita Hardone Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2013.06.08 03:29:00 - [9] - Quote Scrambler pistols have a x3.0 headshot damage multiplier. Sooo ya, your meager 380 HP is one shottable. Maybe spend more SP in core skills instead of on Damage mods and Weapons.
xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 272	Posted - 2013.06.08 03:30:00 - [10] - Quote Alldin murked you

Fiasco Llana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 334	Posted - 2013.06.08 03:32:00 - [11] - Quote xjumpman23 wrote: Alldin murked you What? Oh I guess you recognize people based off their mcdonalds connection and bunny hopping. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWZNaShNu78
2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 130	Posted - 2013.06.08 03:37:00 - [12] - Quote Fiasco Llana wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Funny thing is, I was going crazy with the pistol today I absolutely love it. I have even rocked it with three damage mods just to see how much damage it did. Unless he was a caldari logi and had a breach pistol he could not have one shotted you (even then I don't think it would). Believe me, you can't one shot with any other pistol unless it's a headshot. I can't kill someone in one hit to the body most of the time hitting 550 damage. 1. You can't body shot anybody with 550 damage with any sniper rifle. The charge deals 460 with 3 complex damage mods, and the thales deals 508 (with proficiency 5) 2. Damage specs for the scrambler pistols are widely available. You can plainly see that a body shot will not yield 380 damage, however, the headshot multiplier is 450%, so it is well within the realm of possibility that this would kill you in one shot. I would hazard a guess that there was either a bug with the revive symbol or your friend lied to you. 3. Aside from all of this, you're correct in saying that the hit detection for snipers is grossly unacceptable, and I'll add to that by saying it is also grossly unacceptable that the rendering distance when ADS of a non-officer sniper is ~400m when the range is 599.. and goes a long way to invalidating its range advantage.
Fiasco Llana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 334	Posted - 2013.06.08 03:44:00 - [13] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: Fiasco Llana wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Funny thing is, I was going crazy with the pistol today I absolutely love it. I have even rocked it with three damage mods just to see how much damage it did. Unless he was a caldari logi and had a breach pistol he could not have one shotted you (even then I don't think it would). Believe me, you can't one shot with any other pistol unless it's a headshot. I can't kill someone in one hit to the body most of the time hitting 550 damage. 1. You can't body shot anybody with 550 damage with any sniper rifle. The charge deals 460 with 3 complex damage mods, and the thales deals 508 (with proficiency 5) 5 complex damage mods, 5 proficiency, charge sniper. In its current state the complex damage mods are bugged so there is no penalty of stacking. 486 damage. 2. Damage specs for the scrambler pistols are widely available. You can plainly see that a body shot will not yield 380 damage, however, the headshot multiplier is 450%, so it is well within the realm of possibility that this would kill you in one shot. I would hazard a guess that there was either a bug with the revive symbol or your friend lied to you. Fair enough, I'll go with bug. Don't know about you but I don't hang around liars. 3. Aside from all of this, you're correct in saying that the hit detection for snipers is grossly unacceptable, and I'll add to that by saying it is also grossly unacceptable that the rendering distance when ADS of a non-officer sniper is ~400m when the range is 599.. and goes a long way to invalidating its range advantage. Agreed and +1 for not being an idiot like everyone else on the forums.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 219	Posted - 2013.06.08 04:07:00 - [14] - Quote Fiasco Llana wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: Fiasco Llana wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Funny thing is, I was going crazy with the pistol today I absolutely love it. I have even rocked it with three damage mods just to see how much damage it did. Unless he was a caldari logi and had a breach pistol he could not have one shotted you (even then I don't think it would). Believe me, you can't one shot with any other pistol unless it's a headshot. I can't kill someone in one hit to the body most of the time hitting 550 damage. 1. You can't body shot anybody with 550 damage with any sniper rifle. The charge deals 460 with 3 complex damage mods, and the thales deals 508 (with proficiency 5) 5 complex damage mods, 5 proficiency, charge sniper. In its current state the complex damage mods are bugged so there is no penalty of stacking. 486 damage. 2. Damage specs for the scrambler pistols are widely available. You can plainly see that a body shot will not yield 380 damage, however, the headshot multiplier is 450%, so it is well within the realm of possibility that this would kill you in one shot. I would hazard a guess that there was either a bug with the revive symbol or your friend lied to you. Fair enough, I'll go with bug. Don't know about you but I don't hang around liars. 3. Aside from all of this, you're correct in saying that the hit detection for snipers is grossly unacceptable, and I'll add to that by saying it is also grossly unacceptable that the rendering distance when ADS of a non-officer sniper is ~400m when the range is 599.. and goes a long way to invalidating its range advantage. Agreed and +1 for not being an idiot like everyone else on the forums. There is a stacking penalty for damage mods
2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.06.08 04:13:00 - [15] - Quote Fiasco Llana wrote: 5 complex damage mods, 5 proficiency, charge sniper. In its current state the complex damage mods are bugged so there is no penalty of stacking. 486 damage. Fair enough, I'll go with bug. Don't know about you but I don't hang around liars. Agreed and +1 for not being an idiot like everyone else on the forums. Damage stacking is in effect, I've tested the charge rifle specifically with damage from one hit and viewing the end of game screen. Proficiency 5, 5 complex damage mods and a charge rifle yields damage of 474.89738 The same with the thales yields 524.17222 damage. I won't speak to who you hang out with, but objectively speaking, lying is a possibility.. whether maliciously or innocently.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 221	Posted - 2013.06.08 04:14:00 - [16] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: There is a stacking penalty for damage mods Funny thing that is. I remember reading somewhere that it really is just making it so that it's not multiplying your 110% bonus times 10%. Not so much a stacking penalty so much as just add the damage bonuses together. I wonder if that is the same for all stacking penalty mods.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 342	Posted - 2013.06.08 04:15:00 - [17] - Quote The officer one does 110 damage base, but that was before the buff so it's like 121 dmg a hit now, also it does better damage against shields, you sure it was one shot? not mutliple shots in rapid succession? because the RoF on those scrambler pistols is impressive.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 239	Posted - 2013.06.08 04:22:00 - [18] - Quote Fiasco Llana wrote: I'm not calling for a nerf, but I am QQIng. Deal with it. This thing is stupidly powerful, faced blank, because no name and shame, huehuehue from huehuehue who had one equipped, I shot him in the face in an ambush match and he comes searching for me (running like 600m for one kill lmao) I spot him, so I start shooting at him, as he abuses hit detection physics. (Zigzagging and bunny hopping, also he has mcdonalds wi-fi so that just made it worse.) Get multiple shots on him with my proto-tac sniper, full complex damage mods. 1st shot hits him, 2nd shot hits him, 3rd shot hits him no damage. Reload. his shields regenerated, 4th shot hits him no damage, 5th shot hits him no damage, 6th shot hits him. by this time he's about 45-50m in front of me, he shoots me one time with a scrambler pistol and I am dead. One shot? By a pistol? 200 shields 180 armor You're telling me a scrambler pistol does more damage than a proto-charge rifle with no damage mods? It was not a headshot, had another sniper behind me who took him out after I died with a SMG. he had a nano-injector and said my revive icon was there. What is the point of carrying a sniper rifle if I can just run around with a proto-scrambler pistol and one shot everything? That is my question. Yum. 1st - At close range I clearly saw you shoot only 1-2 times but I still got you with a headshot + body shot (I fired twice with nasty trigger finger). 2nd - I never died after that encounter. 3rd - There was a second sniper? I only saw YOU around, made run back to the the middle to try spawn killing you -.- P.S. I have proficiency 3 with the Proto pistol... and 150 Wolfman's ready to use.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 219	Posted - 2013.06.08 04:42:00 - [19] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: The officer one does 110 damage base, but that was before the buff so it's like 121 dmg a hit now, also it does better damage against shields, you sure it was one shot? not mutliple shots in rapid succession? because the RoF on those scrambler pistols is impressive. Wolfmans scrambler pistol has 96 base damage.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 342	Posted - 2013.06.08 05:13:00 - [20] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: The officer one does 110 damage base, but that was before the buff so it's like 121 dmg a hit now, also it does better damage against shields, you sure it was one shot? not mutliple shots in rapid succession? because the RoF on those scrambler pistols is impressive. Wolfmans scrambler pistol has 104 base damage. really? thought it was more, but still, thats 1144 dmg a clip

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 262	Posted - 2013.06.08 05:34:00 - [21] - Quote My question to you is how bad are you and your friend that you let this guy get close enough while you were sniping that he was able to kill you when it was 2 on 1, also why didnt you bring out a sidearm at close range
Vaux Karn The Mercenary Collective 11	Posted - 2013.06.08 06:48:00 - [22] - Quote Ok...time to let our so incredibly and completely kittening dead sniper in on a little secret. Anything more than 3 damage mods is a waste of good ISK, you should slap on a shield extender or 2. If you are doing anything with base shields and armor, my charge sniper, burst/tactical AR, or any scrambler pistol will eat you for breakfast, kitten you out to fertilize my garden so my tomatoes and potatoes can eat you for breakfast too, and then come back in about a month to eat them for breakfast and you too if you still havent learned. In other words, if you a squishy you will be squished.
EVEry DUSTOID United Planetary Soldiers 107	Posted - 2013.06.08 08:11:00 - [23] - Quote Post like this is the reason this game will NEVER be good, get enough morons to post something similar and changes will happen....
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 10	Posted - 2013.06.08 08:29:00 - [24] - Quote The scrambler pistol is something to be feared in the right hands. Anyone got tips how to get more headshots? Should I switch to KBM? It's one thing I love about the game is that all the sidearms rock.
Kastigrar Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.06.08 08:35:00 - [25] - Quote Anita Hardone wrote: Scrambler pistols have a x3.0 headshot damage multiplier. Sooo ya, your meager 380 HP is one shottable. Maybe spend more SP in core skills instead of on Damage mods and Weapons. Breach scram pistol will do it with a headshot. About 128 base damage (not including damage mods) and x3 headshot multiplier. Think about it. Great fun when it works, but difficult against an alert enemy. Edit: no i'm not calling for a nerf. The skill requirement to actually headshoot in combat means it will never become the new FOTM. If you get one shotted with this they deserve the kill.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 70	Posted - 2013.06.08 09:24:00 - [26] - Quote The Assault Scrambler Pistol which I use now and unlocks at Level 2 has 72 base damage. With this weapon's 400% headshot efficiency that's a potential 288 damage with one shot, pretty good for a standard grade weapon. They get to be this good because you have to risk yourself to get close enough, and without the headshot you'll probably lose the fight. Galvan Nized wrote: The scrambler pistol is something to be feared in the right hands. Anyone got tips how to get more headshots? Should I switch to KBM? It's one thing I love about the game is that all the sidearms rock. All sidearms can rock if you know how to use it, like any weapon really. As far as getting headshots go, the key thing is leveling up your Scrambler Pistol Operations even if you plan to use the basic scrambler pistol because the skill adds a bullet to the clip per level. At Level 5 you have 11 shots instead of 6 before you need to reload, MAJOR difference. Then just get clock and start firing as fast as you can while moving your aim horizontally across at the height of the head, one of them is bound to hit. If you don't kill your target the will be weak very weak. I use full Amarr so carry the Scrambler Pistol and Rifle, I'll usually lead all engagements by unloading my pistol then swapping to finish off, works like a charm.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet 83	Posted - 2013.06.08 09:25:00 - [27] - Quote The receiving end has no way of telling if it's a headshot or not, other than the fact that they fell over in one shot. You got headshotted, foo.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 70	Posted - 2013.06.08 09:52:00 - [28] - Quote Also this is my absolute favorite go-to weapon for dealing with Heavies. Thank you Heavies for being slow and having large heads!
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 152	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:39:00 - [29] - Quote Latency. You only SAW one shot. It was likely a double tap of headshots. Which, oddly enough ends up being around 550 damage. Funny stuff, math.
True Adamance Ametat Security Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2013.06.08 11:48:00 - [30] - Quote Fiasco Llana wrote: I'm not calling for a nerf, but I am QQIng. Deal with it. This thing is stupidly powerful, faced blank, because no name and shame, huehuehue from huehuehue who had one equipped, I shot him in the face in an ambush match and he comes searching for me (running like 600m for one kill lmao) I spot him, so I start shooting at him, as he abuses hit detection physics. (Zigzagging and bunny hopping, also he has mcdonalds wi-fi so that just made it worse.) Get multiple shots on him with my proto-tac sniper, full complex damage mods. 1st shot hits him, 2nd shot hits him, 3rd shot hits him no damage. Reload. his shields regenerated, 4th shot hits him no damage, 5th shot hits him no damage, 6th shot hits him. by this time he's about 45-50m in front of me, he shoots me one time with a scrambler pistol and I am dead. One shot? By a pistol? 200 shields 180 armor You're telling me a scrambler pistol does more damage than a proto-charge rifle with no damage mods? It was not a headshot, had another sniper behind me who took him out after I died with a SMG. he had a nano-injector and said my revive icon was there. What is the point of carrying a sniper rifle if I can just run around with a proto-scrambler pistol and one shot everything? That is my question. Sounds too good to be true. Do I smell hyperbole?



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