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        |  STABBEY
 Molon Labe.
 League of Infamy
 
 11
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:05:00 -
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 Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. QUIT catering to the cry baby azz forum warriors and leave the dam guns alone. The crying wont stop until there gun kills in 1 shot and every other gun sucks balls. LOWER the price on the duvoll TAC RIFLE or FIX the fking thing this **** is getting old. Some people actualy PLAY the game and dont sit on forums crying about dieing in the 1 game a day were they arent on this forum crap. Get your **** together ffs.
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        |  Kitten Empress
 Ametat Security
 Amarr Empire
 
 349
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:08:00 -
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 Who knew you could make so little sense with so many words?
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        |  SENATOR KODOS
 Intara Direct Action
 Caldari State
 
 89
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:08:00 -
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 STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. QUIT catering to the cry baby azz forum warriors and leave the dam guns alone. The crying wont stop until there gun kills in 1 shot and every other gun sucks balls. LOWER the price on the duvoll TAC RIFLE or FIX the fking thing this **** is getting old. Some people actualy PLAY the game and dont sit on forums crying about dieing in the 1 game a day were they arent on this forum crap. Get your **** together ffs. 
 Im confused.
 What are we mad at exactly?
 
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        |  Blammmo
 Better Hide R Die
 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
 
 48
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:10:00 -
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 Lol, NERF THE TAC MORE CCP!!! DO IT!!!!!
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        |  Delta 749
 Kestrel Reconnaissance
 
 255
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:11:00 -
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 Why not complain about the bigger issue, the screwed up rate of fire that is 1 slower than your average person can pull the trigger and 2 broken so that if you exceed that low ROF the gun actually starts to stutter when it fires putting you at less than 400 rpm
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        |  Mike Poole
 Kirkinen Risk Control
 Caldari State
 
 185
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:13:00 -
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 The standard Assault Rifle has the same 60 capacity as the prototype Duvolle and you don't see anyone else *****ing..
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        |  Sponglyboy Squaredoo
 Not Guilty
 EoN.
 
 105
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:14:00 -
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 STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. * Why does The Boundless HMG have the same magazine size as the Militia HMG
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        |  Sponglyboy Squaredoo
 Not Guilty
 EoN.
 
 105
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:15:00 -
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 Mike Poole wrote:The standard Assault Rifle has the same 60 capacity as the prototype Duvolle and you don't see anyone else *****ing.. 
 
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        |  Aurra Field
 Goonfeet
 
 19
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:16:00 -
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 My proto Mass Driver has less ammo than a militia Assault Rifle.
 
 What the hell CCP can't you do anything right.
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        |  Shadowswipe
 WarRavens
 
 103
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:18:00 -
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 FYI, they don't listen to forum posts directly. They have kill numbers for everyone weapon, usage numbers, and everything you can think of to compare it to other weapons. Obviously something had to be done because the numbers + forum posts said the same thing. If it was only forum posts, it would have taken a lot longer to change the weapon, if at all. Give the developers a little bit of credit.
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        |  Nariec
 Carbon 7
 
 37
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:19:00 -
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 TAC AR is horrible, not worth the price tag anymore, I can't get into the top 3 rank with it anymore, so I switched to the regular AR, and sure enough I got back to top 3, took me a few games to get used with the AR again though.
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        |  Ricwi Banor
 Kirkinen Risk Control
 Caldari State
 
 0
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:19:00 -
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 Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. *  Why does The Boundless HMG have the same magazine size as the Militia HMG Where the heck you getting a militia HMG? :P
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        |  THUNDERGROOVE
 ZionTCD
 Unclaimed.
 
 60
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:37:00 -
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 STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. QUIT catering to the cry baby azz forum warriors and leave the dam guns alone. The crying wont stop until there gun kills in 1 shot and every other gun sucks balls. LOWER the price on the duvoll TAC RIFLE or FIX the fking thing this **** is getting old. Some people actualy PLAY the game and dont sit on forums crying about dieing in the 1 game a day were they arent on this forum crap. Get your **** together ffs. You can still kill 3+ guys with one clip if you hit every time, stop the QQ.
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        |  RedRebelCork
 Ahrendee Mercenaries
 Omega Commission
 
 115
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:43:00 -
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 The Duvolle TAR does 18x4hp more damage per magazine than the GLU-5 if I remember correctly. 72hp total.
 
 The Duvolle Assault Rifle does something like 60x4 more damage per magazine and due to the now much higher RoF can bring that bonus damage into play much faster than the TAR.
 
 Fix for the GLU-5 was a decent attempt at balance, DTAR was a poor after thought I feel.
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        |  Dethosis
 Sebiestor Field Sappers
 Minmatar Republic
 
 3
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:44:00 -
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 STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. QUIT catering to the cry baby azz forum warriors and leave the dam guns alone. The crying wont stop until there gun kills in 1 shot and every other gun sucks balls. LOWER the price on the duvoll TAC RIFLE or FIX the fking thing this **** is getting old. Some people actualy PLAY the game and dont sit on forums crying about dieing in the 1 game a day were they arent on this forum crap. Get your **** together ffs. 
 because the proto does more dmg
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        |  Sponglyboy Squaredoo
 Not Guilty
 EoN.
 
 105
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.07 23:45:00 -
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 Ricwi Banor wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. *  Why does The Boundless HMG have the same magazine size as the Militia HMG Where the heck you getting a militia HMG? :P 
 shhh
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        |  Vaux Karn
 The Mercenary Collective
 
 11
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 08:51:00 -
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 I have to agree with everyone else here, other guns don't get increased magazine sizes with higher tier. Though I do think they should bumb it up 2 rounds...18 just feels off, an even 20 would be nice and also would make a little bit of sense in balance to the burst (3 shot burst, 60 rounds, 20 bursts) which has (and will continue to have) higher damage potential. Beyond that I think they did good on tac balancing. Hell even with that they did good...I was dreading an over nerf like breach got last build. Thank kitten god they learned to put away the sledge (read as nerf) hammer.
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        |  NovaSpree
 Always playing to AFK
 
 0
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 08:56:00 -
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 Not sure but isn't it half of breach rifle capacity.
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        |  Acturus Galaxy
 Horizons' Edge
 Orion Empire
 
 53
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 09:00:00 -
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 I agree with the TAC balance now, it seems fine. I use it often and the 18 bullet size magazine is fine and the nerf to the spread as cqc works as intended. It is allmost impossible to hit anyting hipfiring the weapon now.
 
 The tactical role has come back as more have switched to the regular AR. The TAC users now has the advantage of range over the normal assault rifles and looses in close combat.
 
 You also get increased optimal range on the proto weapons compared to the advanced versions. It is reasonable that it is much more expensive than the advanced or everyone will be using the proto weapons all the time.
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        |  Ryder Azorria
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
 400
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 09:07:00 -
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 Delta 749 wrote:Why not complain about the bigger issue, the screwed up rate of fire that is 1 slower than your average person can pull the trigger and 2 broken so that if you exceed that low ROF the gun actually starts to stutter when it fires putting you at less than 400 rpm Just no. Don't even try to pretend that the average  person can pull a trigger 6 - 7 times a second. (yes I know there are some people with insanely fast fingers, but I'd like to see them try that trick with an actual trigger)
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        |  Coleman Gray
 GunFall Mobilization
 Covert Intervention
 
 342
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 09:11:00 -
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 Stop bitching and use a differn't AR then if you think it's so pointless, also save your proto for corp matches, not pubs
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        |  STABBEY
 Molon Labe.
 League of Infamy
 
 13
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 17:33:00 -
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 Most engagements mainly PC battles are CQC, They rendered the damn gun useless. Its only usefull in Pub matches now, were everyone that hated the gun in the first place is getting killed and crying about it. Good job cry babys.
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        |  Israckcatarac
 Opus Arcana
 Orion Empire
 
 25
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 22:31:00 -
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 STABBEY wrote:You need to thank the moded control hero's there the ones that screwed it up. I am amazed at the amount of people that suck with out it.Most engagements mainly PC battles are CQC, They rendered the damn gun useless. Its only usefull in Pub matches now, were everyone that hated the gun in the first place is getting killed and crying about it. Good job cry babys.   
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        |  EVEry DUSTOID
 United Planetary Soldiers
 
 109
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 22:42:00 -
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 Israckcatarac wrote:STABBEY wrote:Most engagements mainly PC battles are CQC, They rendered the damn gun useless. Its only usefull in Pub matches now, were everyone that hated the gun in the first place is getting killed and crying about it. Good job cry babys.   You need to thank the moded control hero's there the ones that screwed it up. I am amazed at the amount of people that suck with out it. 
 can you provide proof to modded controllers?
 
 I'm still waiting on proof of this epic slayer that completely dominated everyone and everything with just his TAC
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        |  Terra Thesis
 HDYLTA
 Defiant Legacy
 
 103
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 22:56:00 -
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 STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. QUIT catering to the cry baby azz forum warriors and leave the dam guns alone. The crying wont stop until there gun kills in 1 shot and every other gun sucks balls. LOWER the price on the duvoll TAC RIFLE or FIX the fking thing this **** is getting old. Some people actualy PLAY the game and dont sit on forums crying about dieing in the 1 game a day were they arent on this forum crap. Get your **** together ffs. 
 MOOOOOOOMMMMMYYY
 
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        |  Darken-Sol
 BIG BAD W0LVES
 Eternal Syndicate
 
 242
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 22:57:00 -
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 EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Israckcatarac wrote:STABBEY wrote:Most engagements mainly PC battles are CQC, They rendered the damn gun useless. Its only usefull in Pub matches now, were everyone that hated the gun in the first place is getting killed and crying about it. Good job cry babys.   You need to thank the moded control hero's there the ones that screwed it up. I am amazed at the amount of people that suck with out it. can you provide proof to modded controllers? I'm still waiting on proof of this epic slayer that completely dominated everyone and everything with just his TAC 
 ROF nerf stopped people from using it. while not proof, supports peoples opinion. the people who did use modded controllers would not admit to it, there is no such thing as integrity any more.
 
 
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        |  TheMarkOf22
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
 185
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 23:02:00 -
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 Darken-Sol wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Israckcatarac wrote:STABBEY wrote:Most engagements mainly PC battles are CQC, They rendered the damn gun useless. Its only usefull in Pub matches now, were everyone that hated the gun in the first place is getting killed and crying about it. Good job cry babys.   You need to thank the moded control hero's there the ones that screwed it up. I am amazed at the amount of people that suck with out it. can you provide proof to modded controllers? I'm still waiting on proof of this epic slayer that completely dominated everyone and everything with just his TAC ROF nerf stopped people from using it. while not proof, supports peoples opinion. the people who did use modded controllers would not admit to it, there is no such thing as integrity any more.  
 LOL people's opinion=facts now?
 
 Nobody I know used turbo controllers or modded controllers and we have the best players in THE GAME in our corp.
 
 I think it's pathetic for scrubs like yourself who pick up the same gun and automatically assume someone is cheating because you can't do as well with the same gun.
 
 Your right, this is no such thing as integrity anymore, when's the last time you read, " wow I just got owned, by a player clearly better then me" never, video games are the last place you see that.
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        |  TheMarkOf22
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
 185
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 23:18:00 -
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 Just for future reference:
 
 Turbo controllers are only useful when it increase's your gun's accuracy by reducing bullet spray by tricking the game into thinking your burst firing, when your not.
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKY4bTwOYVQ
 
 Using a turbo controller for damage out put is irrelevant for the most part unless your playing a low health game like COD and just need to hit your opponent once to kill them.
 
 In a game with high health turbo controllers are USELESS, as most GOOD gamers already have a good TRIGGER FINGER, allowing them to maximize Ammo capacity, which a Turbo controller is counter Productive too...
 
 
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        |  Malkai Inos
 Opus Arcana
 Orion Empire
 
 362
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.08 23:22:00 -
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 Darken-Sol wrote:While i completely disagree with pretty much everything else the OP and his supporters said, i'm really getting kittened when i hear that modded controller argument lately.EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Israckcatarac wrote:STABBEY wrote:Most engagements mainly PC battles are CQC, They rendered the damn gun useless. Its only usefull in Pub matches now, were everyone that hated the gun in the first place is getting killed and crying about it. Good job cry babys.   You need to thank the moded control hero's there the ones that screwed it up. I am amazed at the amount of people that suck with out it. can you provide proof to modded controllers? I'm still waiting on proof of this epic slayer that completely dominated everyone and everything with just his TAC ROF nerf stopped people from using it. while not proof, supports peoples opinion. the people who did use modded controllers would not admit to it, there is no such thing as integrity any more.  
 Let's be quite honest here. Everyone agrees that modded controllers exist and that it's almost guaranteed that someone would have tried/used it, if it were viable. The problem is, there was never a single shred of solid evidence that modded controllers really were the problem that people made it out to be. No videos, no confessions, nothing that really pointed to the fact that modded controllers were "rampant" as one related thread read. No definite proof that the pre nerf tac would have been even controllable at ~800rpm.
 
 You are basically using the "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" gambit but you'll have to admit that the severe lack of evidence only supports one position and that's skepticism.
 
 Now keep the QQ going, it's still a little bit funny for some reason.
  
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        |  STABBEY
 Molon Labe.
 League of Infamy
 
 15
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.06.09 19:26:00 -
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 Modded controllers are being used ive heard many people come into pc match telling us not to get infront of them when they are firing because they are using TAC with modded controllers. (Not giving names) Lowering the ROF was probably needed not the dispersion and magazine size. Thats just bs. Every alliance has these people, its ok i'll destroy pub match cry babys just as bad with a normal duvole and spend less money.
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