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STABBEY
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:05:00 -
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Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. QUIT catering to the cry baby azz forum warriors and leave the dam guns alone. The crying wont stop until there gun kills in 1 shot and every other gun sucks balls. LOWER the price on the duvoll TAC RIFLE or FIX the fking thing this **** is getting old. Some people actualy PLAY the game and dont sit on forums crying about dieing in the 1 game a day were they arent on this forum crap. Get your **** together ffs. |
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Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
349
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:08:00 -
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Who knew you could make so little sense with so many words? |
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SENATOR KODOS
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:08:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. QUIT catering to the cry baby azz forum warriors and leave the dam guns alone. The crying wont stop until there gun kills in 1 shot and every other gun sucks balls. LOWER the price on the duvoll TAC RIFLE or FIX the fking thing this **** is getting old. Some people actualy PLAY the game and dont sit on forums crying about dieing in the 1 game a day were they arent on this forum crap. Get your **** together ffs.
Im confused. What are we mad at exactly?
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Blammmo
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
48
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:10:00 -
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Lol, NERF THE TAC MORE CCP!!! DO IT!!!!!![Big smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) |
![Delta 749 Delta 749](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_caldari_128.jpg)
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
255
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:11:00 -
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Why not complain about the bigger issue, the screwed up rate of fire that is 1 slower than your average person can pull the trigger and 2 broken so that if you exceed that low ROF the gun actually starts to stutter when it fires putting you at less than 400 rpm |
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Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:13:00 -
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The standard Assault Rifle has the same 60 capacity as the prototype Duvolle and you don't see anyone else *****ing.. |
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Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty EoN.
105
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:14:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. * Why does The Boundless HMG have the same magazine size as the Militia HMG |
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Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty EoN.
105
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:15:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:The standard Assault Rifle has the same 60 capacity as the prototype Duvolle and you don't see anyone else *****ing..
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Aurra Field
Goonfeet
19
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:16:00 -
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My proto Mass Driver has less ammo than a militia Assault Rifle.
What the hell CCP can't you do anything right. |
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Shadowswipe
WarRavens
103
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:18:00 -
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FYI, they don't listen to forum posts directly. They have kill numbers for everyone weapon, usage numbers, and everything you can think of to compare it to other weapons. Obviously something had to be done because the numbers + forum posts said the same thing. If it was only forum posts, it would have taken a lot longer to change the weapon, if at all. Give the developers a little bit of credit. |
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Nariec
Carbon 7
37
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:19:00 -
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TAC AR is horrible, not worth the price tag anymore, I can't get into the top 3 rank with it anymore, so I switched to the regular AR, and sure enough I got back to top 3, took me a few games to get used with the AR again though. |
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Ricwi Banor
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:19:00 -
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Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. * Why does The Boundless HMG have the same magazine size as the Militia HMG Where the heck you getting a militia HMG? :P |
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
60
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:37:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. QUIT catering to the cry baby azz forum warriors and leave the dam guns alone. The crying wont stop until there gun kills in 1 shot and every other gun sucks balls. LOWER the price on the duvoll TAC RIFLE or FIX the fking thing this **** is getting old. Some people actualy PLAY the game and dont sit on forums crying about dieing in the 1 game a day were they arent on this forum crap. Get your **** together ffs. You can still kill 3+ guys with one clip if you hit every time, stop the QQ. |
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RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:43:00 -
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The Duvolle TAR does 18x4hp more damage per magazine than the GLU-5 if I remember correctly. 72hp total.
The Duvolle Assault Rifle does something like 60x4 more damage per magazine and due to the now much higher RoF can bring that bonus damage into play much faster than the TAR.
Fix for the GLU-5 was a decent attempt at balance, DTAR was a poor after thought I feel. |
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Dethosis
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:44:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. QUIT catering to the cry baby azz forum warriors and leave the dam guns alone. The crying wont stop until there gun kills in 1 shot and every other gun sucks balls. LOWER the price on the duvoll TAC RIFLE or FIX the fking thing this **** is getting old. Some people actualy PLAY the game and dont sit on forums crying about dieing in the 1 game a day were they arent on this forum crap. Get your **** together ffs.
because the proto does more dmg |
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Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty EoN.
105
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:45:00 -
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Ricwi Banor wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. * Why does The Boundless HMG have the same magazine size as the Militia HMG Where the heck you getting a militia HMG? :P
shhh ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) |
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Vaux Karn
The Mercenary Collective
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Posted - 2013.06.08 08:51:00 -
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I have to agree with everyone else here, other guns don't get increased magazine sizes with higher tier. Though I do think they should bumb it up 2 rounds...18 just feels off, an even 20 would be nice and also would make a little bit of sense in balance to the burst (3 shot burst, 60 rounds, 20 bursts) which has (and will continue to have) higher damage potential. Beyond that I think they did good on tac balancing. Hell even with that they did good...I was dreading an over nerf like breach got last build. Thank kitten god they learned to put away the sledge (read as nerf) hammer. |
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NovaSpree
Always playing to AFK
0
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Posted - 2013.06.08 08:56:00 -
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Not sure but isn't it half of breach rifle capacity. |
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Acturus Galaxy
Horizons' Edge Orion Empire
53
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Posted - 2013.06.08 09:00:00 -
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I agree with the TAC balance now, it seems fine. I use it often and the 18 bullet size magazine is fine and the nerf to the spread as cqc works as intended. It is allmost impossible to hit anyting hipfiring the weapon now.
The tactical role has come back as more have switched to the regular AR. The TAC users now has the advantage of range over the normal assault rifles and looses in close combat.
You also get increased optimal range on the proto weapons compared to the advanced versions. It is reasonable that it is much more expensive than the advanced or everyone will be using the proto weapons all the time. |
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Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
400
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Posted - 2013.06.08 09:07:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Why not complain about the bigger issue, the screwed up rate of fire that is 1 slower than your average person can pull the trigger and 2 broken so that if you exceed that low ROF the gun actually starts to stutter when it fires putting you at less than 400 rpm Just no. Don't even try to pretend that the average person can pull a trigger 6 - 7 times a second. (yes I know there are some people with insanely fast fingers, but I'd like to see them try that trick with an actual trigger) |
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Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
342
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Posted - 2013.06.08 09:11:00 -
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Stop bitching and use a differn't AR then if you think it's so pointless, also save your proto for corp matches, not pubs |
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STABBEY
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:33:00 -
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Most engagements mainly PC battles are CQC, They rendered the damn gun useless. Its only usefull in Pub matches now, were everyone that hated the gun in the first place is getting killed and crying about it. Good job cry babys. ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) |
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Israckcatarac
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
25
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Posted - 2013.06.08 22:31:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:Most engagements mainly PC battles are CQC, They rendered the damn gun useless. Its only usefull in Pub matches now, were everyone that hated the gun in the first place is getting killed and crying about it. Good job cry babys. ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) You need to thank the moded control hero's there the ones that screwed it up. I am amazed at the amount of people that suck with out it.
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EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
109
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Posted - 2013.06.08 22:42:00 -
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Israckcatarac wrote:STABBEY wrote:Most engagements mainly PC battles are CQC, They rendered the damn gun useless. Its only usefull in Pub matches now, were everyone that hated the gun in the first place is getting killed and crying about it. Good job cry babys. ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) You need to thank the moded control hero's there the ones that screwed it up. I am amazed at the amount of people that suck with out it.
can you provide proof to modded controllers?
I'm still waiting on proof of this epic slayer that completely dominated everyone and everything with just his TAC |
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Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
103
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Posted - 2013.06.08 22:56:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:Why the hell does my 77k isk proto weapon have the same Magazine size as my 17k isk Advanced weapon. QUIT catering to the cry baby azz forum warriors and leave the dam guns alone. The crying wont stop until there gun kills in 1 shot and every other gun sucks balls. LOWER the price on the duvoll TAC RIFLE or FIX the fking thing this **** is getting old. Some people actualy PLAY the game and dont sit on forums crying about dieing in the 1 game a day were they arent on this forum crap. Get your **** together ffs.
MOOOOOOOMMMMMYYY
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
242
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Posted - 2013.06.08 22:57:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Israckcatarac wrote:STABBEY wrote:Most engagements mainly PC battles are CQC, They rendered the damn gun useless. Its only usefull in Pub matches now, were everyone that hated the gun in the first place is getting killed and crying about it. Good job cry babys. ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) You need to thank the moded control hero's there the ones that screwed it up. I am amazed at the amount of people that suck with out it. can you provide proof to modded controllers? I'm still waiting on proof of this epic slayer that completely dominated everyone and everything with just his TAC
ROF nerf stopped people from using it. while not proof, supports peoples opinion. the people who did use modded controllers would not admit to it, there is no such thing as integrity any more.
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TheMarkOf22
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
185
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Posted - 2013.06.08 23:02:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Israckcatarac wrote:STABBEY wrote:Most engagements mainly PC battles are CQC, They rendered the damn gun useless. Its only usefull in Pub matches now, were everyone that hated the gun in the first place is getting killed and crying about it. Good job cry babys. ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) You need to thank the moded control hero's there the ones that screwed it up. I am amazed at the amount of people that suck with out it. can you provide proof to modded controllers? I'm still waiting on proof of this epic slayer that completely dominated everyone and everything with just his TAC ROF nerf stopped people from using it. while not proof, supports peoples opinion. the people who did use modded controllers would not admit to it, there is no such thing as integrity any more.
LOL people's opinion=facts now?
Nobody I know used turbo controllers or modded controllers and we have the best players in THE GAME in our corp.
I think it's pathetic for scrubs like yourself who pick up the same gun and automatically assume someone is cheating because you can't do as well with the same gun.
Your right, this is no such thing as integrity anymore, when's the last time you read, " wow I just got owned, by a player clearly better then me" never, video games are the last place you see that. |
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TheMarkOf22
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
185
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Posted - 2013.06.08 23:18:00 -
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Just for future reference:
Turbo controllers are only useful when it increase's your gun's accuracy by reducing bullet spray by tricking the game into thinking your burst firing, when your not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKY4bTwOYVQ
Using a turbo controller for damage out put is irrelevant for the most part unless your playing a low health game like COD and just need to hit your opponent once to kill them.
In a game with high health turbo controllers are USELESS, as most GOOD gamers already have a good TRIGGER FINGER, allowing them to maximize Ammo capacity, which a Turbo controller is counter Productive too...
If you would like to know more about video games you can check out PDIGGY22 on youtube. |
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
362
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Posted - 2013.06.08 23:22:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Israckcatarac wrote:STABBEY wrote:Most engagements mainly PC battles are CQC, They rendered the damn gun useless. Its only usefull in Pub matches now, were everyone that hated the gun in the first place is getting killed and crying about it. Good job cry babys. ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) You need to thank the moded control hero's there the ones that screwed it up. I am amazed at the amount of people that suck with out it. can you provide proof to modded controllers? I'm still waiting on proof of this epic slayer that completely dominated everyone and everything with just his TAC ROF nerf stopped people from using it. while not proof, supports peoples opinion. the people who did use modded controllers would not admit to it, there is no such thing as integrity any more. While i completely disagree with pretty much everything else the OP and his supporters said, i'm really getting kittened when i hear that modded controller argument lately.
Let's be quite honest here. Everyone agrees that modded controllers exist and that it's almost guaranteed that someone would have tried/used it, if it were viable. The problem is, there was never a single shred of solid evidence that modded controllers really were the problem that people made it out to be. No videos, no confessions, nothing that really pointed to the fact that modded controllers were "rampant" as one related thread read. No definite proof that the pre nerf tac would have been even controllable at ~800rpm.
You are basically using the "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" gambit but you'll have to admit that the severe lack of evidence only supports one position and that's skepticism.
Now keep the QQ going, it's still a little bit funny for some reason. ![Lol](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png)
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STABBEY
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:26:00 -
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Modded controllers are being used ive heard many people come into pc match telling us not to get infront of them when they are firing because they are using TAC with modded controllers. (Not giving names) Lowering the ROF was probably needed not the dispersion and magazine size. Thats just bs. Every alliance has these people, its ok i'll destroy pub match cry babys just as bad with a normal duvole and spend less money. ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) |
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