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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:11:00 -
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There is no speed/distance metrics involved.
If an LAV is 5 meters away and accelerates toward me I shouldn't be instakilled.
If an LAV is only going 30 km/hr (about 17 mph i think) and hits me I shouldn't be instakilled only take some damage.
I'm pretty sure I could survive these types of impacts IRL without having the benefit of wearing high tech futuristic shields and armor suit.
However if I get hit by an LAV at full speed I should definitely be instakilled, but the LAV should also take some damage. |
Blammmo
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
48
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:15:00 -
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What if your body is lodged in my wheel well at slow speeds? Shouldn't you die then? |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:25:00 -
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Blammmo wrote:What if your body is lodged in my wheel well at slow speeds? Shouldn't you die then?
No I should not!
https://www.facebook.com/CrimeInLongBeach/posts/510972825602997
http://articles.courant.com/2011-10-24/community/hc-south-windsor-truck-mishap-1025-20111024_1_commercial-truck-ambulance-service-wheel
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EKH0 0ne
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:26:00 -
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Dude you cant dodge an LAV at at a full stop 5 meters away? ive been tapped by lavs going fairly fast and i only get damaged are you suggesting touching an enemy LAV will kill you? You could survive a real life crash that fast, even though you dont have a high tech suit but whos to say the car doesnt have a even greater technology or a technology made to run over people........which it obviously does.
Your frustration is apart of the adaption it will pass.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
164
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:29:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:Dude you cant dodge an LAV at at a full stop 5 meters away?
Not as a Heavy, no!
EKH0 0ne wrote:You could survive a real life crash that fast, even though you dont have a high tech suit but whos to say the car doesnt have a even greater technology or a technology made to run over people........which it obviously does.
Your frustration is apart of the adaption it will pass.
Stop! My argument is completely valid and completely logical. |
EKH0 0ne
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:32:00 -
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Dude......When someone is trying to kill you Serious Injury=death |
EKH0 0ne
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:33:00 -
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Not as a Heavy, no!
Oh yeah,........... well heavies suck dude sorry ta be the one to tell you |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
65
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:33:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:Dude you cant dodge an LAV at at a full stop 5 meters away? ive been tapped by lavs going fairly fast and i only get damaged are you suggesting touching an enemy LAV will kill you? You could survive a real life crash that fast, even though you dont have a high tech suit but whos to say the car doesnt have a even greater technology or a technology made to run over people........which it obviously does.
Your frustration is apart of the adaption it will pass.
Actually, there has been plenty of times where I seen a LAV completely stop and sped up a little bit and killed him. And I'm sure these high tech suits should have the technology to withstand a hit from a LAV not going full sped. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
164
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:34:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:Dude......When someone is trying to kill you Serious Injury=death
Wow you are dense! |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
164
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:35:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:Not as a Heavy, no!
Oh yeah,........... well heavies suck dude sorry ta be the one to tell you
That is a matter of opinion and has nothing to do with this thread. |
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Stalken Pathfinder
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:35:00 -
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There are some metrics involved. I miss people often enough that I have to come around for a second or third pass. Usually I end up doing a quick 180 and coming right back at them from only a couple meters away. This doesnt give me much chance to build up speed and I do not always get a 1-hit-kill, sometimes you gotta run em over a couple times.
Additionally there are many instances where the person gets "caught" on the hood of my car and is simply dragged along for the ride rather than dying. There are other times when you clip a target using the side or rear of the vehicle and this *rarely* results in a kill. I see where you are coming from but I think all in all things aren't so bad. |
martinofski
Les Rebelles A Qc
173
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:36:00 -
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They probably had Sentinel suits filled with Complex plates.
I agree a LAV ramming you from a complete stop 2m away from you killing you at 3mph is really stupid. Don't tell me I don't have the time to roll on the hood unhurt. You go over me? I got a metal suit with 10mm thick plates, don't tell me I should be insta-killed. I should get some damage, but you should get stuck on me.
I agree at high speed, it should insta-kill, and get substantial damage on the LAV. Hitting a Heavy suit should feel like hitting a bear on the road.
I am sure when CCP will fix this (and they will), we will see another bunch of whiners asking a respec and cry all their tears because they used Mil SP into LAV to specifically do the dead-taxi in a LLAV. |
EKH0 0ne
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:36:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:Dude......When someone is trying to kill you Serious Injury=death Wow you are dense!
Explain to me how that guy they pulled out between the wheel weel and the tire was supposed to pick up a rifle and shoot the driver while he was unconscious? |
EKH0 0ne
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:37:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:Not as a Heavy, no!
Oh yeah,........... well heavies suck dude sorry ta be the one to tell you That is a matter of opinion and has nothing to do with this thread.
Yeah thats my opinion but im willing to bet statistically most people agree with me |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
164
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:39:00 -
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Stalken Pathfinder wrote:There are some metrics involved. I miss people often enough that I have to come around for a second or third pass. Usually I end up doing a quick 180 and coming right back at them from only a couple meters away. This doesnt give me much chance to build up speed and I do not always get a 1-hit-kill, sometimes you gotta run em over a couple times.
Additionally there are many instances where the person gets "caught" on the hood of my car and is simply dragged along for the ride rather than dying. There are other times when you clip a target using the side or rear of the vehicle and this *rarely* results in a kill. I see where you are coming from but I think all in all things aren't so bad.
Missing is one thing. I have never been hit by an LAV and survived NEVER no matter what speed or distance.
I have been barely clipped to the extent that I would swear i didn't get hit at all, but still died.
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EKH0 0ne
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:41:00 -
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martinofski wrote:They probably had Sentinel suits filled with Complex plates.
I agree a LAV ramming you from a complete stop 2m away from you killing you at 3mph is really stupid. Don't tell me I don't have the time to roll on the hood unhurt. You go over me? I got a metal suit with 10mm thick plates, don't tell me I should be insta-killed. I should get some damage, but you should get stuck on me.
I agree at high speed, it should insta-kill, and get substantial damage on the LAV. Hitting a Heavy suit should feel like hitting a bear on the road.
I am sure when CCP will fix this (and they will), we will see another bunch of whiners asking a respec and cry all their tears because they used Mil SP into LAV to specifically do the dead-taxi in a LLAV.
Dude these LAVs have thicker armor than your 10mm dropsuit.
These futuristic LAVs are like miniature turbo charged tanks of today on steroids........they can survive a swarm of rockets what makes you think a bear in the road is gonna do "substantial" damage? |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
164
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:42:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:Yeah thats my opinion but im willing to bet statistically most people agree with me
I don't care what other people think about the heavy class! If you don't like it stick to your Assault with AR and LLAV easy mode and GTFO Troll!
This thread is not about that! |
EKH0 0ne
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:43:00 -
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Your the one that brought it and keeps bringing it up, dafuq? |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
164
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:45:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:Your the one that brought it and keeps bringing it up, dafuq?
/facepalm |
EKH0 0ne
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:46:00 -
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And it is relevant to this thread, Just cuz your heavy class sux balls and cant run doesnt mean my LAV gets nerfd |
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Lilah Silverstone
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:47:00 -
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If you don't like lavs try this.
Step 1: light or scout suit. Step 2: side step the LAV Step 3: repeat step 2 til the driver jumps out in frustration Step 4: gun him down Step 5: ????? Step 6: Profit ( in the form of lulz) |
EKH0 0ne
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:47:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:Your the one that brought it and keeps bringing it up, dafuq? takes hands off balls then /facepalm
Fixed that for you |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
165
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:48:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:And it is relevant to this thread, Just cuz your heavy class sux balls and cant run doesnt mean my LAV gets nerfd
Who asked for a nerf?
Dude go find somewhere to be other than my thread!
Better yet go get good at the game so you don't need to rely on a lame ass crutch to get kills! |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
65
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:49:00 -
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Well sorry to go off topic but heavies are situational. Catch a heavy in the compound/"city" or any other close combat area and you will get smashed. Catch a heavy in the open, which only bad heavies would do, the he is easy prey. I think heavies are great but only in close combat and confined area, like how it's meant to be used I believe( on the defense). |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
31
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:50:00 -
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They just need to lower militia Lav's health to Chromosome. I don't like having to waste 2 AV grenades to kill a single militia LAV. Given this wont fix the new BPO saga's but there isn't as many of those and they don't come with a shield booster. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
65
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:50:00 -
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Lilah Silverstone wrote:If you don't like lavs try this.
Step 1: light or scout suit. Step 2: side step the LAV Step 3: repeat step 2 til the driver jumps out in frustration Step 4: gun him down Step 5: ????? Step 6: Profit ( in the form of lulz) You can only dodge so many LAVs at a time. Better off running with AV grenades or REs lol |
EKH0 0ne
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:51:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:And it is relevant to this thread, Just cuz your heavy class sux balls and cant run doesnt mean my LAV gets nerfd Who asked for a nerf? Dude go find somewhere to be other than my thread! Better yet go get good at the game so you don't need to rely on a lame ass crutch to get kills!
Well guess what noobtard, I havnt admited to using LAVs to get kills so better yet nothing. Your suggesting a nerf b cuz your lame ass is using a heavy and keeps getting run over
You can have this crap thread its all yours |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
165
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:52:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:Well sorry to go off topic but heavies are situational. Catch a heavy in the compound/"city" or any other close combat area and you will get smashed. Catch a heavy in the open, which only bad heavies would do, the he is easy prey. I think heavies are great but only in close combat and confined area, like how it's meant to be used I believe( on the defense).
And this is exactly where the 5 meter away LAV instakill happens to me. I'm not an Idiot. I do not just run out into an open field. If I have to travel more than 20 meters I call in an LAV to get me there. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
165
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:56:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:Well guess what noobtard, I havnt admited to using LAVs to get kills so better yet nothing.
EKH0 0ne wrote:And it is relevant to this thread, Just cuz your heavy class sux balls and cant run doesnt mean my LAV gets nerfd
Bye! |
EKH0 0ne
R.I.f.t
119
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:57:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:Well guess what noobtard, I havnt admited to using LAVs to get kills so better yet nothing. EKH0 0ne wrote:And it is relevant to this thread, Just cuz your heavy class sux balls and cant run doesnt mean my LAV gets nerfd Bye!
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/26308264.jpg |
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Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
65
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:57:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:Well sorry to go off topic but heavies are situational. Catch a heavy in the compound/"city" or any other close combat area and you will get smashed. Catch a heavy in the open, which only bad heavies would do, the he is easy prey. I think heavies are great but only in close combat and confined area, like how it's meant to be used I believe( on the defense). And this is exactly where the 5 meter away LAV instakill happens to me. I'm not an Idiot. I do not just run out into an open field. If I have to travel more than 20 meters I call in an LAV to get me there. Yeah I understand. Because most LAVs will like completely miss you but then they back up a lil bit and run you over. Most bs ever, there's no way to dodge when your slow/out of stamina. I'm cool with getting ran over when I'm out in the open though. Just when they hit the damn wall, after I side step, and proceed to back up and run me over is annoying . Whenever I see a LLAV and see the kill feed and clones drop cause of it, I afk in the MCC lol. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
165
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:02:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/26308264.jpg
I thought you left.
and LOL that is funny IDC who you are.
FYI i'm not butt hurt. When an LAV driver pisses me off I just pull out my forge and make quick work of him and get back to business.
I'm simply making an observation. One that no one can make a legitimate rebuttal against. |
EKH0 0ne
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:05:00 -
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Legitamate rebuttal:
I never die from slow moving LAVs, I always survive those low energy impacts |
EKH0 0ne
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:06:00 -
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Stalken Pathfinder wrote:There are some metrics involved. I miss people often enough that I have to come around for a second or third pass. Usually I end up doing a quick 180 and coming right back at them from only a couple meters away. This doesnt give me much chance to build up speed and I do not always get a 1-hit-kill, sometimes you gotta run em over a couple times.
Additionally there are many instances where the person gets "caught" on the hood of my car and is simply dragged along for the ride rather than dying. There are other times when you clip a target using the side or rear of the vehicle and this *rarely* results in a kill. I see where you are coming from but I think all in all things aren't so bad.
This^ |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
165
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:08:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:Legitamate rebuttal:
I never die from slow moving LAVs, I always survive those low energy impacts
I would like to see this.
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EKH0 0ne
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:10:00 -
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Play some games with Stalken it happens to him |
EKH0 0ne
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:13:00 -
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Its a weakness to your class....
See when you think an LAV is moving slow its actually moving very fast, Just because your moving so slowly and your seeing the Lave take along time to get to you it seems like its moving fast. But to the scouts and Assaults around you who got out of the way and are looking at the vehicle from a diffrent angle.They can tell the car is moving fast.
Things slow down when your about ta get run over. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1182
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:14:00 -
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What problem is this?
Idiot red dot stands still? his problem not mine
Idiot red dots dont use any AV? ther problem not mine
Milita LAV? refer to problem 2
Logi LAV? refer to problem 2
Meh i have nearly 14mil into vehicles and use logi LAVs, so much fun, so much death, so many idiots |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
165
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:14:00 -
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Stalken Pathfinder wrote:There are some metrics involved. I miss people often enough that I have to come around for a second or third pass. Usually I end up doing a quick 180 and coming right back at them from only a couple meters away. This doesnt give me much chance to build up speed and I do not always get a 1-hit-kill, sometimes you gotta run em over a couple times.
Additionally there are many instances where the person gets "caught" on the hood of my car and is simply dragged along for the ride rather than dying. There are other times when you clip a target using the side or rear of the vehicle and this *rarely* results in a kill. I see where you are coming from but I think all in all things aren't so bad.
Missing should not net you a kill.
Stalken Pathfinder wrote:sometimes you gotta run em over a couple times It should still take you more than 2 hits from a "couple meters away" to kill someone with an LAV.
Stalken Pathfinder wrote:Additionally there are many instances where the person gets "caught" on the hood of my car and is simply dragged along for the ride rather than dying Glitches do not count towards any argument.
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EKH0 0ne
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:16:00 -
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Just in case you missed it:
Its a weakness to your class....
See when you think an LAV is moving slow its actually moving very fast, Just because your moving so slowly and your seeing the LAV take along time to get to you it seems like its moving fast. But to the scouts and Assaults around you who got out of the way and are looking at the vehicle from a diffrent angle.They can tell the car is moving fast.
Things slow down when your about ta get run over. |
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
165
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:18:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:Its a weakness to your class....
See when you think an LAV is moving slow its actually moving very fast, Just because your moving so slowly and your seeing the LAV take along time to get to you it seems like its moving fast. But to the scouts and Assaults around you who got out of the way and are looking at the vehicle from a diffrent angle.They can tell the car is moving fast.
Things slow down when your about ta get run over.
They aren't moving fast if they only started accelerating from 5 meters away. I do not get hit in the open. When I get hit it is from som jack ass who drives up into an objective and hits a wall then backs up stops hits the gas and rams me.
I have been instakilled from someone's LAV when it was practically touching the end of my HMG. |
martinofski
Les Rebelles A Qc
173
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:21:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:martinofski wrote:They probably had Sentinel suits filled with Complex plates.
I agree a LAV ramming you from a complete stop 2m away from you killing you at 3mph is really stupid. Don't tell me I don't have the time to roll on the hood unhurt. You go over me? I got a metal suit with 10mm thick plates, don't tell me I should be insta-killed. I should get some damage, but you should get stuck on me.
I agree at high speed, it should insta-kill, and get substantial damage on the LAV. Hitting a Heavy suit should feel like hitting a bear on the road.
I am sure when CCP will fix this (and they will), we will see another bunch of whiners asking a respec and cry all their tears because they used Mil SP into LAV to specifically do the dead-taxi in a LLAV. Dude these LAVs have thicker armor than your 10mm dropsuit. These futuristic LAVs are like miniature turbo charged tanks of today on steroids........they can survive a swarm of rockets what makes you think a bear in the road is gonna do "substantial" damage?
Lol. I was about to right something, but your not even worth arguing. Anyway, I'll just drop this here and say it doens't need to be fight over, since CCP agree it's an issue. Guess you're going to ask a respec then lol.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&p=2 [FEEDBACK] LAV "death taxis": https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?find=unread&g=posts&t=81717 Update: We are working on resolving this issue.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
165
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:22:00 -
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EKH0 0ne wrote:
Its a weakness to your class....
A weakness that my 1000 hp should more than make up for in this type of situation, but I'm still instakilled from less than 10 meters away by LAVs all the time while inside close quarters.
LAV =/= CQC
LAV = transportation |
EKH0 0ne
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Posted - 2013.06.07 14:26:00 -
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martinofski wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:martinofski wrote:They probably had Sentinel suits filled with Complex plates.
I agree a LAV ramming you from a complete stop 2m away from you killing you at 3mph is really stupid. Don't tell me I don't have the time to roll on the hood unhurt. You go over me? I got a metal suit with 10mm thick plates, don't tell me I should be insta-killed. I should get some damage, but you should get stuck on me.
I agree at high speed, it should insta-kill, and get substantial damage on the LAV. Hitting a Heavy suit should feel like hitting a bear on the road.
I am sure when CCP will fix this (and they will), we will see another bunch of whiners asking a respec and cry all their tears because they used Mil SP into LAV to specifically do the dead-taxi in a LLAV. Dude these LAVs have thicker armor than your 10mm dropsuit. These futuristic LAVs are like miniature turbo charged tanks of today on steroids........they can survive a swarm of rockets what makes you think a bear in the road is gonna do "substantial" damage? Lol. I was about to right something, but your not even worth arguing. Anyway, I'll just drop this here and say it doens't need to be fight over, since CCP agree it's an issue. Guess you're going to ask a respec then lol. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&p=2[FEEDBACK] LAV "death taxis": https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?find=unread&g=posts&t=81717Update: We are working on resolving this issue.
I havnt spent any skilpoints on LAVS so you can kiss your revenge fantasy goodbye.
Resolving the issue = putting a gag on the QQ
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