DUST Search - Newbie help needed.

Kaidan Riddick wrote:

A little info about myself to help answer my questions. Almost 50, can't see great, have hearing loss ( listened to rock music to loud) and reflexes slow as a snail. I have been playing dust almost 2 weeks. Haven't played FPS games that much but like playing 514. When in academy did decent and also ran with my brother and son a few matches outside academy. But now I'm thrown out to the stomping grounds and it's not that fun but willing to improve and try to adapt.

Questions:

1. Being the Minmatar race give you any bonuses for certain builds?

2. Since I was new I had know ideal where to put skills in. I then have asked for a respec in hopes that I can start over now that I know a few things about game. Still I need some advice on which way is better. I had some playstation $ so I bought the elite pack which has 4 Dren dropsuits and 4 Dren guns. Before I had opened up dropsuit command and light weapons going down the AR trail. Now I have noticed I need dropsuit upgrades for my 4 suits. My question is are those suits good enough to play later in game or should I still open dropsuit command to get better suits?

3. Is it better to stay with 1 build as in scout or have 2 builds like scout and assault?

4. Are the Dren weapons good enough to play with or should I go a different route? Also is it ok to try to go down two trees or just be specialized in 1 weapon?

Thanks for any advice. It is greatly appreciated. Big smile

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Kaidan Riddick Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.06 18:19:00 - [1] - Quote A little info about myself to help answer my questions. Almost 50, can't see great, have hearing loss ( listened to rock music to loud) and reflexes slow as a snail. I have been playing dust almost 2 weeks. Haven't played FPS games that much but like playing 514. When in academy did decent and also ran with my brother and son a few matches outside academy. But now I'm thrown out to the stomping grounds and it's not that fun but willing to improve and try to adapt. Questions: 1. Being the Minmatar race give you any bonuses for certain builds? 2. Since I was new I had know ideal where to put skills in. I then have asked for a respec in hopes that I can start over now that I know a few things about game. Still I need some advice on which way is better. I had some playstation $ so I bought the elite pack which has 4 Dren dropsuits and 4 Dren guns. Before I had opened up dropsuit command and light weapons going down the AR trail. Now I have noticed I need dropsuit upgrades for my 4 suits. My question is are those suits good enough to play later in game or should I still open dropsuit command to get better suits? 3. Is it better to stay with 1 build as in scout or have 2 builds like scout and assault? 4. Are the Dren weapons good enough to play with or should I go a different route? Also is it ok to try to go down two trees or just be specialized in 1 weapon? Thanks for any advice. It is greatly appreciated.
Wakki Tehbakki Kite Co. Couriers 5	Posted - 2013.06.06 18:55:00 - [2] - Quote 1. The race you choose at the beginning does not affect anything other than your avatar here on the forums and on channels. The racial bonuses are gained through leveling the skills for racial suits and using those suits. 2. Not familiar enough to comment/recommend. However, I will tell you that often the best way to figure out your favorite playstyle is to start building skills to improve on is to buy militia items and just experiment, then find what you enjoy and invest in it. 3. It really depends on what you prefer. Just be aware that you can only have passive SP enabled on one character at any time. You can change the character it's on, but only active on one. 4. Again, not familiar enough to comment there.
Asmodeus Reinhart Ninth Rim 23	Posted - 2013.06.06 19:50:00 - [3] - Quote Kaidan Riddick wrote: A little info about myself to help answer my questions. Almost 50, can't see great, have hearing loss ( listened to rock music to loud) and reflexes slow as a snail. I have been playing dust almost 2 weeks. Haven't played FPS games that much but like playing 514. When in academy did decent and also ran with my brother and son a few matches outside academy. But now I'm thrown out to the stomping grounds and it's not that fun but willing to improve and try to adapt. Questions: 1. Being the Minmatar race give you any bonuses for certain builds? 2. Since I was new I had know ideal where to put skills in. I then have asked for a respec in hopes that I can start over now that I know a few things about game. Still I need some advice on which way is better. I had some playstation $ so I bought the elite pack which has 4 Dren dropsuits and 4 Dren guns. Before I had opened up dropsuit command and light weapons going down the AR trail. Now I have noticed I need dropsuit upgrades for my 4 suits. My question is are those suits good enough to play later in game or should I still open dropsuit command to get better suits? 3. Is it better to stay with 1 build as in scout or have 2 builds like scout and assault? 4. Are the Dren weapons good enough to play with or should I go a different route? Also is it ok to try to go down two trees or just be specialized in 1 weapon? Thanks for any advice. It is greatly appreciated. So you spent the hundo... I've considered doing it so that I can play Dust like I like to play every other FPS game I currently or did play. IE: Jack of all trades. It puts you into one of each suit type, and a few basic weapons you can just drop into and use without assigning ANY SP to them AT ALL. IMO this is the greatest asset over time. Not only does it save you $. (ISK) But it means you can flop into a half decent assault role with an assault rifle - even if your primary skills are saying driving tanks. You could put a few million SP into heavy vehicles. Save all the money from my matches using my free gear - and put it ALL into a bad mamma jamma tanker build. If I hop out or get killed a lot it costs me NOTHING. I want to snipe on this map - "click" instant scout sniper suit. Need to do some room cleaning - "click" put on the dren shotgun. I have still spent 0 SP and can now rock faces in CQB - standard assault... etc. This is what the $100 gets you. But that's about where it ends as well. The DREN gear you got with the elite pack is not great gear. It is not militia gear. But it isn't really magical stuff. It is there to increase your immediate enjoyment level of the game. And give you a 'bump' in the long term in the form of standard suits and the ability to fill roles EVERYONE ELSE will have to sink a LOT of SP into to be able to do the same things. You should use this to every single advantage you possibly can - immediately. Run those DREN suits and when your respec lands get into those serious armor and shield modules. That will turn those normal suits into much much tougher suits. Get those key armor and shield 'level' upgrades. The one that unlocks the specific modules. It grants a 5% bonus to armor or shields JUST BY putting SP into it. Use those free suits and guns and put your SP into something ELSE. You get an assault rifle, a shotgun, and I can't remember what else. So pick ANOTHER weapon you really like and buy into that. If this doesn't make sense... it's because it's very SP conscious. Something I've learned - like you - can make or break you pretty fast in this game. The things you "have" cost you nothing. So why buy into say light weapons level 4 - then shotguns, then spec that to level 3 or 5 just to get a better shotgun when NOT doing this - and using the one that comes with your pack saves you from having to touch the ENTIRE SKILL TREE saving you hundreds of thousands of SP.
Aquinarius Zoltanus The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 119	Posted - 2013.06.06 19:59:00 - [4] - Quote It looks like Wakki already gave a great answer to the first question, so I'll just stick to the other 3. 2. This is strange, you must be doing something wrong when putting together your dropsuit fitting. The Dren dropsuits themselves do not require training in any particular skill to use. You should be able to make fittings with each one. If your fitting turns red, then that means you either equipped a weapon/equipment/module that you aren't skilled enough to use, or you've gone over your maximum CPU or PG. 3. I'd disagree with Wakki and say it's best to choose one and stick with it. It takes a long time to advance your character in this game, and if you split your points it'll take just that much longer. 4. Yes, the Dren weapons require no skills, are equivalent to Standard versions of weapons, and are blueprints, meaning you'll never need to restock them. They are all very viable weapons to use, especially if you're new and just trying things out.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 76	Posted - 2013.06.06 20:39:00 - [5] - Quote I've not read above answers. Just popping in for a couple things. Thing 1: I'd join 'Bojos School of The Trades' if you need a training corporation. We're glad to help you with anything you need. Corp will provide ISK funding for any tests you want to make, and we have a program to test unique fittings, squad combinations, and tactics. :D Thing 2: In response to your "Should I go down 2 trees, or specialize" question, New Eden is all about specialization. Some people have trained, and gotten good enough to go down multiple trees and still maintain a solid Kill/Death Ratio, but others need to find a playstyle and work with it. Ex: I used to be a pure Demolitions Logistics. I would lay Remote Explosives down at key points, and use a Mass Driver for area denial. That was back in my early days of Chromosome (Last update, for those that didn't know). I now have branched off into various things. I have a Support Logi, for healing and resupplying my team, I have a Sniper Logistics, and I recently have made a Shotgun Assault (Scout's too squishy, I'll just put some KinCats on that foo). So yea, It's good to specialize when you start out, but when you get enough knowledge of weapons and playstyles, you'll become a much more versatile member of your corporation. :D
greyarea67 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2013.06.07 03:10:00 - [6] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: I've not read above answers. Just popping in for a couple things. Thing 1: I'd join 'Bojos School of The Trades' if you need a training corporation. We're glad to help you with anything you need. Corp will provide ISK funding for any tests you want to make, and we have a program to test unique fittings, squad combinations, and tactics. :D Thing 2: In response to your "Should I go down 2 trees, or specialize" question, New Eden is all about specialization. Some people have trained, and gotten good enough to go down multiple trees and still maintain a solid Kill/Death Ratio, but others need to find a playstyle and work with it. Ex: I used to be a pure Demolitions Logistics. I would lay Remote Explosives down at key points, and use a Mass Driver for area denial. That was back in my early days of Chromosome (Last update, for those that didn't know). I now have branched off into various things. I have a Support Logi, for healing and resupplying my team, I have a Sniper Logistics, and I recently have made a Shotgun Assault (Scout's too squishy, I'll just put some KinCats on that foo). So yea, It's good to specialize when you start out, but when you get enough knowledge of weapons and playstyles, you'll become a much more versatile member of your corporation. :D All the responses are good advice but I just wanted to say I was in a squad with Ghost today. His advice is worth listening too...he is a good player.
Poplo Furuya Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.06.07 04:20:00 - [7] - Quote 1. Nope, race determines avatar and free starter fits. Said fits are relatively uniform and usually left behind for greater things pretty early on anyway. 2. Dren are servicable but Advanced Dropsuits (the level 3 ones) will have the capacity to outperform them a fair margin while still being very affordable. As for advice on skills, a good part of that is what you find yourself wanting to do. As such I'll just cover the basic 'useful for everyone' stuff:- Armor Upgrade and Shield Upgrade - passive 5% boost to armour and shields with each rank, these skills make you permanently tougher. Dropsuit Core Upgrades, Dropsuit Electronics, Dropsuit Engineering - increase your maximum CPU and PG, lets you cram your dropsuits full of more and better toys. Shield Extenders - the real crown jewel of this skill comes right at the end, where it unlocks the final shield extender. The basic is +22 shields, the enhanced +33 and the complex... well, for some reason it's +65. Being able to slot these will grant you a great boost in survivability. Grenades - level 1 grants you basic Locus (frags), Flux (shield disrupting) and AV (anti-vehicular) grenades. All are cheap, the Locus and Flux drain less CPU/PG and they come in packs of three instead of two. If you want to go support Logistics is the go-to suit. The Logistics thread in this forum should have a wealth of information. The brief primer on each race's different suit is as follows: Amarr if you want to be not particularly good at anything, Caldari if you don't want to die, ever, Gallente if you want the world's best utility belt and Minmatar is decent all-around with nothing really remarkable about it. 3. Specialisation is usually the way to go when you've found something you really want to do. Until then dabbling's fine. Some things perform pretty good at the basic level anyway, others less so. 4. The Dren ought to fare well enough. Branching into two weapons is fine, weaponry is actually not as much of an SP sink as Dropsuit Command and Dropsuit Upgrades in order to get to the important stuff, the cost of Operation skills ain't so bad. Level 3 typically unlocks the weapon variant that's the best middleground between effectiveness and cost.
Daylon Daxx Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2013.06.07 05:06:00 - [8] - Quote Kaidan Riddick wrote: A little info about myself to help answer my questions. Almost 50, can't see great, have hearing loss ( listened to rock music to loud) and reflexes slow as a snail. I have been playing dust almost 2 weeks. Haven't played FPS games that much but like playing 514. When in academy did decent and also ran with my brother and son a few matches outside academy. But now I'm thrown out to the stomping grounds and it's not that fun but willing to improve and try to adapt. Questions: 1. Being the Minmatar race give you any bonuses for certain builds? 2. Since I was new I had know ideal where to put skills in. I then have asked for a respec in hopes that I can start over now that I know a few things about game. Still I need some advice on which way is better. I had some playstation $ so I bought the elite pack which has 4 Dren dropsuits and 4 Dren guns. Before I had opened up dropsuit command and light weapons going down the AR trail. Now I have noticed I need dropsuit upgrades for my 4 suits. My question is are those suits good enough to play later in game or should I still open dropsuit command to get better suits? 3. Is it better to stay with 1 build as in scout or have 2 builds like scout and assault? 4. Are the Dren weapons good enough to play with or should I go a different route? Also is it ok to try to go down two trees or just be specialized in 1 weapon? Thanks for any advice. It is greatly appreciated. Nice to see a fellow "old-timer" I'm almost 48, and have been playing Dust about as long a you. Ditto on the eyesight, hearing and reflexes by the way. Ha! I don't have any advice for you, but if you feel you need a bit more time in the academy, create an alternate character. All I know is the best weapons and dropsuits won't help you if you are old and slow. The younger players are too good and too fast . So, you must learn to adapt to a role that is a comfortable pace for you. My future "LogiBro" build wasn't going to work well with the buggy nanite injectors and I found it hard to keep pace with everyone, so I went "back to school" and tried to figure out what would work best for me and my turtle-like reflexes. I now have a sniper alt character that seems to work better for me outside of the academy. I like being a Sniper, it's a lot more my speed and I don't die as often. It might work for you too, If your reflexes are like mine and don't want to spend the entire game running to the battle and dying as you get there. I usually play late 11p-4a EST, Give me a holla if you see one of the Daxx's (Daylon or Damien) on your team, maybe we can get an "old geezer" squad going. :)
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission 166	Posted - 2013.06.07 08:17:00 - [9] - Quote If you bought the elite pack spend the Arum on boosters - ISK is plentiful in game. SP is not. Best thing to do is pick a route and stick with it. This is an RPG. If you spend sp all over the place you wont be effective. I think you said you were thinking assault or scout. Max that character out. around 10m SP - after that the side characters are less demanding as the basics have been done. And you have a properly built character. If you are choosing between scout or assault. go assault. Scout suits have been over nerfed to pointlessness. I prefer caldari assault as my main. I have minmitar assault as an alt which I am building to be faster than a scout, but it isnt as strong/ versitile as the caldari. I play it for fun. make sure you get weapons up first. Prof 3 at least. sharpshooter apparently can wait as the changes to this skill have apparently made the bonuses negligible. If you dont you will be shooting flowers not bullets. Avoid dumping precious SP into 'core skills' first off. until you need them. For example, level 4 shield upgrades gives me a bonus of 36HP. But if i spend that SP to get complex shields thats 66? or something per module. Basically modules better than core. get the modules then build the core skill. Get a tier 3 suit ASAP. You can fit more equipmemt etc and will keep you alive longer. Also, its a very big ask and it can gimp you in the short term in terms of SP/ access to other goodies. But if you know which suit you definitely want you could go straight racial. It saves you alot of SP in the long run. Though I recognise it can impact on your immediate enjoyment. And of course if you dont want to run proto suits then I guess why bother. Do remember this is an RPG. Dont run miliita fits etc. get into advanced suits, equipment etc they are cheap to run. It will improve your performance and once you are in them work out how to stay alive as long as possible while trying to kill as many of the enemy as possible.


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