DUST Search - Fitting Skills Tip

hydraSlav's wrote:

J Falcs wrote:

Basically, unless the 1% bonus is required for either Engineering or Electronics, your SP is best spent in getting Dropsuit Core Upgrade to V before maxing out Electronics or Engineering because you will be given a greater overall bonus with a ~160,000 SP savings.

Don't forget that bonuses from multiple skills are compounded, so you cannot compare 5% increase vs 4% increase at face value

If you have Engineering and Electronics at IV already, and add Dropsuit Core Upgrade at V:
(1+(0.05 * 4)) * (1+(0.01 * 5)) = 1.26 or 26% compounded bonus to total CPU and PG

If you just take Engineering or Electronics to V, and you have to account for prereq Dropsuit Core Upgrade at I:
(1+(0.05 * 5)) * (1+(0.01 * 1)) = 1.2625 or 26.25% compounded bonus to total CPU or PG

Bringing one of the individual skills to V (at higher SP cost) will only give you 0.25% (that's a quarter of one percent) more bonus than bringing the shared skill to V (at lower SP cost and effecting both attributes at once)

Edit:
And of course i couldn't miss the opportunity to say that to decide if you need that 0.25% increase or not, try your fits here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67188&find=unread
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J Falcs Bojo's School of the Trades 87	Posted - 2013.06.06 13:00:00 - [1] - Quote So, in my need to get level V on basic fitting skills (Dropsuit Core Upgrade, Dropsuit Engineering, and Dropsuit Electronics), I realized that it is more often than not best to get level V in Dropsuit Core Upgrade rather than level V in Engineering or Electronics first IF you already have Engineering and Electronics at IV. Here is why: To get from Dropsuit Core Upgrade I to V requires 609,400 SP. You need Dropsuit Core Upgrade I to open up Electronics and Engineering. To get from Electronics IV to Electronics V (same for Engineering) requires 777,300 SP. Therefore, if you are where I am at, and have Dropsuit Core Upgrade I (I have II) and Dropsuit Engineering IV and Dropsuit Electronics IV, it is better to get through to Dropsuit Core Upgrades V. From Dropsuit Core Upgrade I to V = 4% CPU AND 4% PG (a total of 8% bonus) for 609,400 SP From Electronics IV to V = 5% CPU (a total of 5% bonus) for 777,300 SP From Engineering IV to V = 5% PG (a total of 5% bonus) for 777,300 SP Basically, unless the 1% bonus is required for either Engineering or Electronics, your SP is best spent in getting Dropsuit Core Upgrade to V before maxing out Electronics or Engineering because you will be given a greater overall bonus with a ~160,000 SP savings. Going from Engineering or Electronics III to IV instead of Dropsuit Core Upgrade IV or V will be dependent on your needs and is a less obvious answer.
Chankk Saotome SyNergy Gaming EoN. 339	Posted - 2013.06.06 13:12:00 - [2] - Quote I posted the following in RedBleach's Logi Code post. If you're maxing them anyway it doesn't matter but here's a quick benefit of some min-max benefits based on maths: Note on First Skills: Quote: Also, with Core Upgrades, you're only benefiting 1% per skill level. I'd say 2-3, and then get Electronics and Engineering up to 3-4 beyond that. 621,920 for 5% CPU/PG with Core Upgrades alone, or lvl 1 Core, lvl 3 Engineering & Electronics for total 16% CPU/PG for 696,600. Again, that's a straight total% mod to your suit's base stat.
J Falcs Bojo's School of the Trades 91	Posted - 2013.06.06 14:47:00 - [3] - Quote Thanks for the added tip. Agreed, like me, I'm shooting straight for V on all three skills. But I'll be maxing Upgrades first since Engineering and Electronics are at IV. I should have pumped upgrades sooner... but the respec made me do it.
hydraSlav's Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 194	Posted - 2013.06.06 15:37:00 - [4] - Quote J Falcs wrote: Basically, unless the 1% bonus is required for either Engineering or Electronics, your SP is best spent in getting Dropsuit Core Upgrade to V before maxing out Electronics or Engineering because you will be given a greater overall bonus with a ~160,000 SP savings. Don't forget that bonuses from multiple skills are compounded, so you cannot compare 5% increase vs 4% increase at face value If you have Engineering and Electronics at IV already, and add Dropsuit Core Upgrade at V: (1+(0.05 * 4)) * (1+(0.01 * 5)) = 1.26 or 26% compounded bonus to total CPU and PG If you just take Engineering or Electronics to V, and you have to account for prereq Dropsuit Core Upgrade at I: (1+(0.05 * 5)) * (1+(0.01 * 1)) = 1.2625 or 26.25% compounded bonus to total CPU or PG Bringing one of the individual skills to V (at higher SP cost) will only give you 0.25% more bonus than bringing the shared skill to V (at lower SP cost and effecting both attributes at once)
Rynx Sinfar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 799	Posted - 2013.06.06 20:13:00 - [5] - Quote Disagree because you can stop at Core Upgrade 4, and save ~300k for that last 1% of both. Instead build your fits and decide what you need, save your SP and get that last level electronics/engineering and decide from there. For example at Core Upgrades 2 by instead saving SP and going for Electronics 5 I was able to increase mods on over half my primary suits including a couple that are ~3-4cpu from maxed. I ended up putting 1 more point in Core Upgrades to make it level 3 and was able to make my ideal fitting for my primary suit. The PG from Core upgrades did help with 1-2 fits that were on edge but CPU was my primary concern. You may find different. Only spend what you need, save what you can. It's actually ~300kSP for 4% CPU/PG, and then 300kSP for 1% CPU/PG after if you want to think of it that way. also definitely use the fitting tool above, it'll help show you what you when you'll have extra space. I used it prior to respec to get me right on the edge along with a skillplanner.
J Falcs Bojo's School of the Trades 91	Posted - 2013.06.06 22:37:00 - [6] - Quote This tip was not about whether or not 1% is worth it (and as a logi, I am running suits that can actually use 1%, as in I need 1 more PG for a higher tier module). It was about the optimal order to raise skills if a player was to raise all core fitting skills to V. If you are not planning on raising skills to V or you have your fits just fine with fitting reqs, then any extra fitting is a waste.
J Falcs Bojo's School of the Trades 92	Posted - 2013.06.07 22:20:00 - [7] - Quote hydraSlav's wrote: J Falcs wrote: Basically, unless the 1% bonus is required for either Engineering or Electronics, your SP is best spent in getting Dropsuit Core Upgrade to V before maxing out Electronics or Engineering because you will be given a greater overall bonus with a ~160,000 SP savings. Don't forget that bonuses from multiple skills are compounded, so you cannot compare 5% increase vs 4% increase at face value If you have Engineering and Electronics at IV already, and add Dropsuit Core Upgrade at V: (1+(0.05 * 4)) * (1+(0.01 * 5)) = 1.26 or 26% compounded bonus to total CPU and PG If you just take Engineering or Electronics to V, and you have to account for prereq Dropsuit Core Upgrade at I: (1+(0.05 * 5)) * (1+(0.01 * 1)) = 1.2625 or 26.25% compounded bonus to total CPU or PG Bringing one of the individual skills to V (at higher SP cost) will only give you 0.25% (that's a quarter of one percent) more bonus than bringing the shared skill to V (at lower SP cost and effecting both attributes at once) Edit: And of course i couldn't miss the opportunity to say that to decide if you need that 0.25% increase or not, try your fits here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67188&find=unread I did not know that skills compounded. I always thought it calculated suit bonus separately for each skill, then added them together to the final suit. Then any other percentage based modules stacked with that. So for example, a suit with 100 PG, level V in Engineering and level in Core Upgrade would net you a suit with 130 PG (+25 PG from Engineering and +5 PG from Core Upgrade). Thank you for showing me that.


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