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ANON Illuminati
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:45:00 -
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CCP.
You should consider another respec to players now that you completly totaled the Tac rifles. infact im not even mad about it as i knew it would come but why the hell did you not do the patch before people specced into the gun? why do you constantly do things backwards instead of doing them right? why worry about nerfing everything when the game itself isnt done? why wont you reply to the actual community? why the constant screw ups? your supposed to make a game better not ruin it. i think i could make a better fps then you at this point. i mean no disrespect but gawd foreal get it together. |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:46:00 -
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Yes, they will give you respec every time they change color of the tires on LAVs. |
The Black Art
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
68
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:46:00 -
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We knew about the Tac AR nerf before the respecs. If you chose to spec into them anyway, that's on you. I spec'd into them, and I don't regret it, just use the other ARs. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
71
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:51:00 -
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There are other AR's you know???
You wouldn't have thought it for the last month but they are there.
I still specced into AR after my respec, you know why??
Cos I want to use AR's and I feel I can now return to them without being forced to use a TAC to remain competitive. AND I'll probably still use the TAR anyway when the situation calls for it (i.e when I need an accurate mid-long range weapon)
They haven't broken the TAR, they have fixed it. People were just used to being able to abuse a broken weapon and became complacent with it. Use it as intended and it will still shine. |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:51:00 -
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No. No respec for you. O_O |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1771
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:52:00 -
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Cybus Trama'dol wrote:There are other AR's you know???
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Trollhard514
TeamPlayers EoN.
1
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:53:00 -
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Aoena Rays wrote:Yes, they will give you respec every time they change color of the tires on LAVs.
This is clever for me at 4 am. +1 |
GLiMPSE X
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
109
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:53:00 -
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I could see a situation where they'd refund xp in a given tree if they made a radical change...however, the TAC rebalancing wasnt unexpected or even that harsh. It was brought down to a reasonable level -- no nerf bat has been swung. Move along. Get good. HTFU. Adapt or die. |
Panther Alpha
Lone Wolf Going Solo
409
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:53:00 -
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You want another Respec ?.... Most haven't have their first one yet. But of course... is all about YOU. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1771
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:54:00 -
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Now, to the people who want to nerf my Flayock with 1mill+ SP into it, you can go **** yourself.
Actually, that should be a requirement to request a nerf, you must spend at least 1mill SP on the weapon you want nerfed first. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
235
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:54:00 -
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Cybus Trama'dol wrote:There are other AR's you know???
You wouldn't have thought it for the last month but they are there.
I still specced into AR after my respec, you know why??
Cos I want to use AR's and I feel I can now return to them without being forced to use a TAC to remain competitive. AND I'll probably still use the TAR anyway when the situation calls for it (i.e when I need an accurate mid-long range weapon)
They haven't broken the TAR, they have fixed it. People were just used to being able to abuse a broken weapon and became complacent with it. Use it as intended and it will still shine.
They did break the TAC by screwing around with the ROF way to much, not only can most people pull the trigger far faster than what its set at now when you do exceed that speed now the gun stutters and doesnt even fire as quickly as the breach which it shares its new ROF with Thats broken, hip fire and clip size changes were fine though |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:57:00 -
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These kind of people deserve to pay AUR for it :D Enjoy your respec then. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1771
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:58:00 -
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ROF was the biggest thing that needed changing, don't kid yourself. W/E it is now might be too low, idk, but it did need changing. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
71
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Posted - 2013.06.06 08:00:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:There are other AR's you know???
You wouldn't have thought it for the last month but they are there.
I still specced into AR after my respec, you know why??
Cos I want to use AR's and I feel I can now return to them without being forced to use a TAC to remain competitive. AND I'll probably still use the TAR anyway when the situation calls for it (i.e when I need an accurate mid-long range weapon)
They haven't broken the TAR, they have fixed it. People were just used to being able to abuse a broken weapon and became complacent with it. Use it as intended and it will still shine. They did break the TAC by screwing around with the ROF way to much, not only can most people pull the trigger far faster than what its set at now when you do exceed that speed now the gun stutters and doesnt even fire as quickly as the breach which it shares its new ROF with Thats broken, hip fire and clip size changes were fine though And those were the two changes I was asking for. IMO they could have left the RoF as was I didn't care about that. However......... Think about it for a minute for the way MOST people were using the gun
Higher RoF + Trigger Finger Spam = Less accuracy..... Less Accuracy + Less Bullets = Worse overall gun performance due to less shots hit and more reloading
So in a way you could argue the fact that the slower RoF actually improves the weapon by rewarding ACCURATE shots. |
ANON Illuminati
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS
79
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Posted - 2013.06.06 08:04:00 -
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The Black Art wrote:We knew about the Tac AR nerf before the respecs. If you chose to spec into them anyway, that's on you. I spec'd into them, and I don't regret it, just use the other ARs.
i was just being a smart ass i dont really expect a respec just trying to get the point across to ccp to stop messing up the game
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ANON Illuminati
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS
79
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Posted - 2013.06.06 08:06:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:You want another Respec ?.... Most haven't have their first one yet. But of course... is all about YOU. yup correct it is all about me since this has nothing to do with you.
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
235
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Posted - 2013.06.06 08:21:00 -
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Cybus Trama'dol wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:There are other AR's you know???
You wouldn't have thought it for the last month but they are there.
I still specced into AR after my respec, you know why??
Cos I want to use AR's and I feel I can now return to them without being forced to use a TAC to remain competitive. AND I'll probably still use the TAR anyway when the situation calls for it (i.e when I need an accurate mid-long range weapon)
They haven't broken the TAR, they have fixed it. People were just used to being able to abuse a broken weapon and became complacent with it. Use it as intended and it will still shine. They did break the TAC by screwing around with the ROF way to much, not only can most people pull the trigger far faster than what its set at now when you do exceed that speed now the gun stutters and doesnt even fire as quickly as the breach which it shares its new ROF with Thats broken, hip fire and clip size changes were fine though And those were the two changes I was asking for. IMO they could have left the RoF as was I didn't care about that. However......... Think about it for a minute for the way MOST people were using the gun Higher RoF + Trigger Finger Spam = Less accuracy..... Less Accuracy + Less Bullets = Worse overall gun performance due to less shots hit and more reloading So in a way you could argue the fact that the slower RoF actually improves the weapon by rewarding ACCURATE shots.
Not trying to be mean but thats idiotic, the lower magazine alone rewards accurate shooting while a lower rate of fire just gimps you Ill use an example that happened to me today, I flank some guy and open fire on him with the glu as Im already a fairly accurate guy that likes to stay in the mid to long range Im using my sight and not spraying wildly Due to the screwed up ROF and the gun stuttering when you surpass it I dont get off the shots I need and get eaten by his gek If the rate of fire was left alone or hell if the fix was coded properly so that the gun wouldnt stutter I could have gotten off the shots I needed to put him down before he turned to open fire |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
57
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Posted - 2013.06.06 08:29:00 -
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No respec for the "I want to spec into the best proto weapon and suit all the time because I am too much of a baby to play with anything remotely challenging" crowd
They should have planned ahead. They should have hedged their bets. They should adapt to the other AR variants. They should have saved some SP. They know more stuff is coming.
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Panther Alpha
Lone Wolf Going Solo
409
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Posted - 2013.06.06 08:34:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:You want another Respec ?.... Most haven't have their first one yet. But of course... is all about YOU. yup correct it is all about me since this has nothing to do with you.
Is in the General Discussion, in a Public Forum... If it was just about YOU, just send a support ticket to CCP, asking for another Respec. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
71
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Posted - 2013.06.06 08:41:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:There are other AR's you know???
You wouldn't have thought it for the last month but they are there.
I still specced into AR after my respec, you know why??
Cos I want to use AR's and I feel I can now return to them without being forced to use a TAC to remain competitive. AND I'll probably still use the TAR anyway when the situation calls for it (i.e when I need an accurate mid-long range weapon)
They haven't broken the TAR, they have fixed it. People were just used to being able to abuse a broken weapon and became complacent with it. Use it as intended and it will still shine. They did break the TAC by screwing around with the ROF way to much, not only can most people pull the trigger far faster than what its set at now when you do exceed that speed now the gun stutters and doesnt even fire as quickly as the breach which it shares its new ROF with Thats broken, hip fire and clip size changes were fine though And those were the two changes I was asking for. IMO they could have left the RoF as was I didn't care about that. However......... Think about it for a minute for the way MOST people were using the gun Higher RoF + Trigger Finger Spam = Less accuracy..... Less Accuracy + Less Bullets = Worse overall gun performance due to less shots hit and more reloading So in a way you could argue the fact that the slower RoF actually improves the weapon by rewarding ACCURATE shots. Not trying to be mean but thats idiotic, the lower magazine alone rewards accurate shooting while a lower rate of fire just gimps you Ill use an example that happened to me today, I flank some guy and open fire on him with the glu as Im already a fairly accurate guy that likes to stay in the mid to long range Im using my sight and not spraying wildly Due to the screwed up ROF and the gun stuttering when you surpass it I dont get off the shots I need and get eaten by his gek If the rate of fire was left alone or hell if the fix was coded properly so that the gun wouldnt stutter I could have gotten off the shots I needed to put him down before he turned to open fire
As I said " Think about it for a minute for the way MOST people were using the gun"
You may have been accurate with it... BUT..... most weren't therefore the people who weren't just spammed away and the smaller clip size combined with a high RoF makes the gun worse.
By forcing everybody to slow down it rewards better use of the gun hence making the gun better and more suited to its purpose. Now if there is stuttering then that needs to be fixed but the RoF is fine. But hell put it back to what it was, like is said I don't care if it makes most people worse then it means I'll stay alive longer.
I wish the best of luck to those emptying a clip in 1.5 seconds. I was in the Clip Size and CQC hipfire nerf camp but not once did I ask for RoF nerf and was very vocal about it in the Feedback request thread. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
237
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Posted - 2013.06.06 08:46:00 -
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Cybus Trama'dol wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:There are other AR's you know???
You wouldn't have thought it for the last month but they are there.
I still specced into AR after my respec, you know why??
Cos I want to use AR's and I feel I can now return to them without being forced to use a TAC to remain competitive. AND I'll probably still use the TAR anyway when the situation calls for it (i.e when I need an accurate mid-long range weapon)
They haven't broken the TAR, they have fixed it. People were just used to being able to abuse a broken weapon and became complacent with it. Use it as intended and it will still shine. They did break the TAC by screwing around with the ROF way to much, not only can most people pull the trigger far faster than what its set at now when you do exceed that speed now the gun stutters and doesnt even fire as quickly as the breach which it shares its new ROF with Thats broken, hip fire and clip size changes were fine though And those were the two changes I was asking for. IMO they could have left the RoF as was I didn't care about that. However......... Think about it for a minute for the way MOST people were using the gun Higher RoF + Trigger Finger Spam = Less accuracy..... Less Accuracy + Less Bullets = Worse overall gun performance due to less shots hit and more reloading So in a way you could argue the fact that the slower RoF actually improves the weapon by rewarding ACCURATE shots. Not trying to be mean but thats idiotic, the lower magazine alone rewards accurate shooting while a lower rate of fire just gimps you Ill use an example that happened to me today, I flank some guy and open fire on him with the glu as Im already a fairly accurate guy that likes to stay in the mid to long range Im using my sight and not spraying wildly Due to the screwed up ROF and the gun stuttering when you surpass it I dont get off the shots I need and get eaten by his gek If the rate of fire was left alone or hell if the fix was coded properly so that the gun wouldnt stutter I could have gotten off the shots I needed to put him down before he turned to open fire As I said " Think about it for a minute for the way MOST people were using the gun" You may have been accurate with it... BUT..... most weren't therefore the people who weren't just spammed away and the smaller clip size combined with a high RoF makes the gun worse. By forcing everybody to slow down it rewards better use of the gun hence making the gun better and more suited to its purpose. Now if there is stuttering then that needs to be fixed but the RoF is fine. But hell put it back to what it was, like is said I don't care if it makes most people worse then it means I'll stay alive longer. I wish the best of luck to those emptying a clip in 1.5 seconds. I was in the Clip Size and CQC hipfire nerf camp but not once did I ask for RoF nerf and was very vocal about it in the Feedback request thread.
I wouldnt say a smaller clip size and high rate of fire would make the gun worse it would make a particular play style worse instead while still rewarding those that are accurate Ah well, we seem to be in agreement anyway |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
71
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Posted - 2013.06.06 08:52:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:
I wouldnt say a smaller clip size and high rate of fire would make the gun worse it would make a particular play style worse instead while still rewarding those that are accurate Ah well, we seem to be in agreement anyway
Agreed
can we now at least get back to harvesting the tears of those who are REALLY upset their crutch is now gone (naming no names of course) |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
271
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:13:00 -
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Is this stuttering you're talking about maybe some kind of intended weapon malfunction caused by trying to fire it beyond its RoF capabilities ? Or is it just a glitch ?
I've not used the TAR since last year sometime, so I couldn't test it, but this could be a way to reign in the over spamming of fire buttons. |
BUGSBUNNY LOONEY
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS
24
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:17:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:You want another Respec ?.... Most haven't have their first one yet. But of course... is all about YOU. yup correct it is all about me since this has nothing to do with you.
And you need to go and play call of duty
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1173
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:35:00 -
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Nope
You all knew this Tac nerf was incoming
It was mentioned around on the forums how the gun was too good, the nerf was coming
The nerf was coming and you still decided to respec into the AR
You still decided to respec into AR
Your fav gun is nerfed because it was too good yet you still decided to spec into it so you could pad your KDR before the nerf hit
It was your choice |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
151
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:36:00 -
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Stop crying about the RoF for a semi auto rifle.
Ill post this again for you guys who may not realize this.
GLU-5 is capable of 400 RPM
400/60 = 6.6 RPS
6 - 7 shots per second.
In Reality shooting a semi auto rifle at this rate would mean you are lucky to hit the broad side of a barn!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rate_of_fire
'Semi-Automatic rate
The semi-automatic rate is the assault rifle/semi-auto only version on rapid fire. It is the maximum rate that a weapon can fire with any degree of accuracy in semi-auto mode, usually 45-60 rpm."
60/60 = 1 RPS
1 shot per second!!!!
for those of you who do not want to click and face the truth.
I guess in the future humans will be able to pull triggers much MUCH MUCH faster than we can now! |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
75
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:42:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Stop crying about the RoF for a semi auto rifle. Ill post this again for you guys who may not realize this. GLU-5 is capable of 400 RPM 400/60 = 6.6 RPS 6 - 7 shots per second. In Reality shooting a semi auto rifle at this rate would mean you are lucky to hit the broad side of a barn! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rate_of_fire
" Semi-Automatic rateThe semi-automatic rate is the assault rifle/semi-auto only version on rapid fire. It is the maximum rate that a weapon can fire with any degree of accuracy in semi-auto mode, usually 45-60 rpm." 60/60 = 1 RPS 1 shot per second!!!! for those of you who do not want to click and face the truth. I guess in the future humans will be able to pull triggers much MUCH MUCH faster than we can now!
Didnt you know?
Facts are meaningless..
You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!!! |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
237
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:46:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Stop crying about the RoF for a semi auto rifle. Ill post this again for you guys who may not realize this. GLU-5 is capable of 400 RPM 400/60 = 6.6 RPS 6 - 7 shots per second. In Reality shooting a semi auto rifle at this rate would mean you are lucky to hit the broad side of a barn! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rate_of_fire" Semi-Automatic rateThe semi-automatic rate is the assault rifle/semi-auto only version on rapid fire. It is the maximum rate that a weapon can fire with any degree of accuracy in semi-auto mode, usually 45-60 rpm." 60/60 = 1 RPS 1 shot per second!!!! for those of you who do not want to click and face the truth. I guess in the future humans will be able to pull triggers much MUCH MUCH faster than we can now!
I know you feel all proud right now and think you made a point but you didnt really Now if you had used this copy pasta to say that the hip fire accuracy should be altered to increase dispersion even more depending on how rapidly the trigger was squeezed I would be with you But using evidence that supports accuracy ratings and not speed ratings cuts your credibility down, especially when you decide that some of us cant possibly pull the trigger 10 times in a second which many people are able to do
Hell on a real rifle I can do that, even my 12 year old cousin can do that also with a real rifle |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
152
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:22:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Stop crying about the RoF for a semi auto rifle. Ill post this again for you guys who may not realize this. GLU-5 is capable of 400 RPM 400/60 = 6.6 RPS 6 - 7 shots per second. In Reality shooting a semi auto rifle at this rate would mean you are lucky to hit the broad side of a barn! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rate_of_fire
" Semi-Automatic rateThe semi-automatic rate is the assault rifle/semi-auto only version on rapid fire. It is the maximum rate that a weapon can fire with any degree of accuracy in semi-auto mode, usually 45-60 rpm." 60/60 = 1 RPS 1 shot per second!!!! for those of you who do not want to click and face the truth. I guess in the future humans will be able to pull triggers much MUCH MUCH faster than we can now! I know you feel all proud right now and think you made a point but you didnt really Now if you had used this copy pasta to say that the hip fire accuracy should be altered to increase dispersion even more depending on how rapidly the trigger was squeezed I would be with you But using evidence that supports accuracy ratings and not speed ratings cuts your credibility down, especially when you decide that some of us cant possibly pull the trigger 10 times in a second which many people are able to do Hell on a real rifle I can do that, even my 12 year old cousin can do that also with a real rifle
Maybe you didn't understand the whole point of the post. I'm not saying there are no people who can pull a trigger 6 or 7 times per second (although I would have to see it to believe it)
I'm saying there is no way you can achieve this RoF with any accuracy whatsoever, whether ADS or from hip.
Delta 749 wrote:But using evidence that supports accuracy ratings and not speed ratings cuts your credibility down, especially when you decide that some of us cant possibly pull the trigger 10 times in a second which many people are able to do
Hell on a real rifle I can do that, even my 12 year old cousin can do that also with a real rifle
LOL stop.
Better yet just change your name to Bob Munden LMAO.
Do people even believe this kinda nonsense?
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Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
340
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:24:00 -
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Why should you get a respecc when you knew the Tac was op? of course it was gonna get nerfed, and CCP already said NO MORE RESPECCS! |
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