The rest of their knowledge can come from actual matches, with squad mates in pub matches, etc.

PC mechanics completely cater towards the parties that can win 16vs16 consistently, mostly due to morale, player retention and spoils of victor mechanics. How is this type of a sandbox supposed to work? It is nothing but a glorified clan ladder at the current state of things. It is probably moving more players out of Dust514 than bringing in new ones.


In EVE, you can bring numbers. In Dust, numbers will get steamrolled out of the game by more skilled competition (case Orion). The argument of numbers providing more playerbase to pick fights from continuously is void, because playing any mediocre players with current mechanics decreases the morale for everyone through losses. The teams that field bad players are harshly penalized for allowing them in matches.


In fact, the most skillful entity will slow but steady steamroll everyone else out of the game, as the high end players like to polarize to the winning party. What will happen with Dust sandbox is that Molden Heath will fast narrow down to the 2-3 most skilled alliances that can consistently win 16vs16 with their top 3 ringer teams. Numbers play no role in this, as the losses take the toll and kill out any lesser skilled players, no matter how big their numbers are. When Molden Heath is controlled by the top dogs, PC will generate a steady isk revenue to them, putting them further into the region of untouchable. When new regions will be opened, the evolved skill coalitions will simply grab all of it and push out the new competition through the same player retention and morale killing mechanic that is removing lesser skilled alliances from dust514 currently.

The sandbox of Dust, PC, will thus be completely restricted to the good players. There is no room for bad or even average players in it. The only imaginable place for the 90% of dust playerbase in PC will be farming isk for the top 10%. Do you honestly think this game will survive upon a sandbox that favors winners, who already have a huge intrinsic advantage in morale? EVE online survives, because you can bring the blob. There is room for mediocrity - just bring enough of it.

Now this is of course no news in an FPS game. However, in order for dust to ever become a meaningful sandbox, direct ways for the average Joe to affect PC are needed. PVE? Secondary fights? Come up with something. All the numbers show that dust is dying rapidly, at this pace it is nothing but terminal and the life expectancy of the game is under a year.


1) Nerf artificial mechanics that favor the victor. Victor gets a morale boost and should not need to receive anything else.
2) Note down the clone efficiency of sides in the end of match under victor and defeated.
3) Come up with game modes for the average players to have their place in the sandbox.

Dust Sandbox?

Those two words do not belong in the same sentence as of yet.

Hopefully one day we'll get a real sandbox, but we don't have that yet, all we have is "INSTANT BATTLES!!!!"

This is exactly right games like farcry, GTA, and borderlands are sandbox. As of now Dust is COD/Battlefield in the future gameplay wise and only their multilayer at that.

If the better players win at PC then there is something going on that is broken? Did I read that right? Ok so basically you are not liking your chances at PC and are not willing or able to fund PC attacks or is it that you are seriously concerned that there is a problem? No matter who you are there is a chance you will win. No matter the battlefield, in the end it will always come down to how well does your team work together and what you are willing to do to make it work. If you have a problem with the good players all being on the other team then recruit some better players or train them. There is no excuse for not trying.