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XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:52:00 -
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So here it is, people constely complain about what is wrong, and whats ****** up. I am not looking to have an ass-kissing thread, but I want people to list what they feel is actually where it should be. Not needing a buff, or nerf. In the past some weapons have been nerfed that didn't need it *coughmassdrivercough* or a buff and didnt need it.
Below I am listing weapons I have used and feel are ballenced, I cant say that these are the only weapons balanced, but these are the ones I have experence with.
Balanced Weapons
- Flaylock: Some people complain about them beeing OP, but the amount of people who are actually skilled at using it are low. So to me, that means its ballenced enough.
- Sniper rifle: Been killed by it, killed people with it, to me I dont see anything really wrong with these weapons.
- SMG: Used it more in the last build, used it a bit in this, still works good and still kills people who get too close.
- Scrambler Pistol: Not the easiest to use, but powerful when hit.
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True Adamance
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:53:00 -
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Scrambler Rifle is balanced.
Does whats intended, takes down shields rapidly, suffers against armour. |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
171
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:53:00 -
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Flux grenades, |
C Saunders
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
243
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:54:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:So here it is, people constely complain about what is wrong, and whats ****** up. I am not looking to have an ass-kissing thread, but I want people to list what they feel is actually where it should be. Not needing a buff, or nerf. In the past some weapons have been nerfed that didn't need it *coughmassdrivercough* or a buff and didnt need it. Below I am listing weapons I have used and feel are ballenced, I cant say that these are the only weapons balanced, but these are the ones I have experence with. Balanced Weapons
- Flaylock: Some people complain about them beeing OP, but the amount of people who are actually skilled at using it are low. So to me, that means its ballenced enough.
- Sniper rifle: Been killed by it, killed people with it, to me I dont see anything really wrong with these weapons.
- SMG: Used it more in the last build, used it a bit in this, still works good and still kills people who get too close.
- Scrambler Pistol: Not the easiest to use, but powerful when hit.
I'm going to be that guy and say Mass Drivers are also balanced. |
Don Von Hulio
Not Guilty EoN.
280
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:57:00 -
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If all weapons are not balanced close enough, it makes too hard to tell because the balance will be shifted too far to one side... nothing is balanced, just broke. |
castba
Penguin's March
4
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:57:00 -
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Forge guns are balanced. |
Jenova's Witness
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
142
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:57:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:So here it is, people constely complain about what is wrong, and whats ****** up. I am not looking to have an ass-kissing thread, but I want people to list what they feel is actually where it should be. Not needing a buff, or nerf. In the past some weapons have been nerfed that didn't need it *coughmassdrivercough* or a buff and didnt need it. Below I am listing weapons I have used and feel are ballenced, I cant say that these are the only weapons balanced, but these are the ones I have experence with. Balanced Weapons
- Flaylock: Some people complain about them beeing OP, but the amount of people who are actually skilled at using it are low. So to me, that means its ballenced enough.
- Sniper rifle: Been killed by it, killed people with it, to me I dont see anything really wrong with these weapons.
- SMG: Used it more in the last build, used it a bit in this, still works good and still kills people who get too close.
- Scrambler Pistol: Not the easiest to use, but powerful when hit.
I'm going to be that guy and say Mass Drivers are also balanced, if equipped with flux grenades. How many people have you seen using MD vs post Uprising threads about the MD being OP compared to Chrome. Something's wrong with a weapon that isn't an AR when people don't complain about it. Look at tanks and HMGs as well. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
208
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:02:00 -
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TAC ARs Trolololol |
C Saunders
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
243
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:05:00 -
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Jenova's Witness wrote:C Saunders wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:So here it is, people constely complain about what is wrong, and whats ****** up. I am not looking to have an ass-kissing thread, but I want people to list what they feel is actually where it should be. Not needing a buff, or nerf. In the past some weapons have been nerfed that didn't need it *coughmassdrivercough* or a buff and didnt need it. Below I am listing weapons I have used and feel are ballenced, I cant say that these are the only weapons balanced, but these are the ones I have experence with. Balanced Weapons
- Flaylock: Some people complain about them beeing OP, but the amount of people who are actually skilled at using it are low. So to me, that means its ballenced enough.
- Sniper rifle: Been killed by it, killed people with it, to me I dont see anything really wrong with these weapons.
- SMG: Used it more in the last build, used it a bit in this, still works good and still kills people who get too close.
- Scrambler Pistol: Not the easiest to use, but powerful when hit.
I'm going to be that guy and say Mass Drivers are also balanced, if equipped with flux grenades. How many people have you seen using MD vs post Uprising threads about the MD being OP compared to Chrome. Something's wrong with a weapon that isn't an AR when people don't complain about it. Look at tanks and HMGs as well.
I use the mass driver exclusively, and I gotta say it's still a beast of a weapon when paired with flux grenades and used correctly.
Also I would say Tanks are balanced now. |
Jenova's Witness
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
142
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:09:00 -
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C Saunders wrote: I use the mass driver exclusively, and I gotta say it's still a beast of a weapon when paired with flux grenades and used correctly.
Also I would say Tanks are balanced now.
It's not that I don't believe you, but there are quite a few veteran MD users that say the contrary. Feel free to read through that thread and share your experiences with the weapon.
Edit: There are not proto tanks available, yet there's proto AV still available and their base PG was nerfed by 20% along with the engineering skill being bugged to the point that they can't equip any modules of the same meta level of their vehicle. Tanks are anything but balanced. I'm a forge gunner, and I can attest to this. |
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C Saunders
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
243
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:22:00 -
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Jenova's Witness wrote:C Saunders wrote: I use the mass driver exclusively, and I gotta say it's still a beast of a weapon when paired with flux grenades and used correctly.
Also I would say Tanks are balanced now.
It's not that I don't believe you, but there are quite a few veteran MD users that say the contrary. Feel free to read through that thread and share your experiences with the weapon. Edit: There are not proto tanks available, yet there's proto AV still available and their base PG was nerfed by 20% along with the engineering skill being bugged to the point that they can't equip any modules of the same meta level of their vehicle. Tanks are anything but balanced. I'm a forge gunner, and I can attest to this.
To be quite honest, it's all opinions.
Mass Driver, fluxs and remote explosives are the only damage dealing items I actually have on my suit, yet I can get 20+ kills.
When the mass driver first changed, I was also raging that they changed it. I also said they had completely ruined it.
I go back on those statements now since all it took was a slight change in playstyle. You had to re-learn the weapon and once I did that I was fine with it again. |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
136
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:38:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:Also I would say Tanks are balanced now. Tanks aren't even balanced with EACH OTHER... let alone with AV.
Without adv-proto tanks, it's hard to determine if they're actually balanced.
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I'd like to mention that with the removal of the scrambler pistols headshot bonus within 18m the damn things are more or less the weakest sidearm all around.
In other news, I agree that scrambler rifles, flaylocks (when they work) etc...
@Sniper rifles... Lol. MAYBE the 'regular' ones, but the Thale's (officer) rifle is easily the most overpowered weapon in the game. And that's not even an effect of draw distance, though it helps. Simply put, you can go places no one else can (like MCC) and hit targets 300m+ away with impunity.
That's not a risk/reward weapon by any means. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
359
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:43:00 -
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Adaptation is the key to most of our problems. I feel like most of the weapons have a good balance with the exception of the sights on the LR. Replace the sights and maybe 10-15 more meters of range and it would be balanced. |
C Saunders
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
243
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:49:00 -
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IamI3rian wrote:C Saunders wrote:Also I would say Tanks are balanced now. Tanks aren't even balanced with EACH OTHER... let alone with AV. Without adv-proto tanks, it's hard to determine if they're actually balanced. ... I'd like to mention that with the removal of the scrambler pistols headshot bonus within 18m the damn things are more or less the weakest sidearm all around. In other news, I agree that scrambler rifles, flaylocks (when they work) etc... @Sniper rifles... Lol. MAYBE the 'regular' ones, but the Thale's (officer) rifle is easily the most overpowered weapon in the game. And that's not even an effect of draw distance, though it helps. Simply put, you can go places no one else can (like MCC) and hit targets 300m+ away with impunity. That's not a risk/reward weapon by any means.
Opinions sir.
Everything people state are opinions. Sometimes people will agree with other peoples opinions and sometimes not.
What I've said are opinions and may not be the general consensus. |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
136
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:52:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:Opinions sir.
Everything people state are opinions. Sometimes people will agree with other peoples opinions and sometimes not.
What I've said are opinions and may not be the general consensus.
I'm sorry, but math is not an opinion. Neither is time. Both of these things are what makes shield tanks amazingly inferior to armor tanks. Something any HAV pilot is well aware of. |
SoCal Ninja
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
92
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:53:00 -
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If anyone says Shotgun or Scout is balanced I'm gonna rage hardcore. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
582
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:55:00 -
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IamI3rian wrote:C Saunders wrote:Also I would say Tanks are balanced now. Tanks aren't even balanced with EACH OTHER... let alone with AV. Without adv-proto tanks, it's hard to determine if they're actually balanced. ... I'd like to mention that with the removal of the scrambler pistols headshot bonus within 18m the damn things are more or less the weakest sidearm all around. In other news, I agree that scrambler rifles, flaylocks (when they work) etc... @Sniper rifles... Lol. MAYBE the 'regular' ones, but the Thale's (officer) rifle is easily the most overpowered weapon in the game. And that's not even an effect of draw distance, though it helps. Simply put, you can go places no one else can (like MCC) and hit targets 300m+ away with impunity. That's not a risk/reward weapon by any means. you can't buy thales so that's balanced. anything else you want to add to snipers being unbalanced. HAVs are unbalanced. |
Jenova's Witness
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
144
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:59:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:Jenova's Witness wrote:C Saunders wrote: I use the mass driver exclusively, and I gotta say it's still a beast of a weapon when paired with flux grenades and used correctly.
Also I would say Tanks are balanced now.
It's not that I don't believe you, but there are quite a few veteran MD users that say the contrary. Feel free to read through that thread and share your experiences with the weapon. Edit: There are not proto tanks available, yet there's proto AV still available and their base PG was nerfed by 20% along with the engineering skill being bugged to the point that they can't equip any modules of the same meta level of their vehicle. Tanks are anything but balanced. I'm a forge gunner, and I can attest to this. To be quite honest, it's all opinions. Mass Driver, fluxs and remote explosives are the only damage dealing items I actually have on my suit, yet I can get 20+ kills. When the mass driver first changed, I was also raging that they changed it. I also said they had completely ruined it. I go back on those statements now since all it took was a slight change in playstyle. You had to re-learn the weapon and once I did that I was fine with it again. Did you use the MD in Chromosome? It's not about getting kills, it's about the support functions. You can get more kills in its current state, but logistics players are having issues pushing back and disorienting enemies to revive downed allies (when it works) or flushing enemies out of CQC areas. This is without even factoring the desynch issues. |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
136
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:01:00 -
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ladwar wrote:anything else you want to add to snipers being unbalanced.
You can't buy them yet.
I'm sure that when the full market gets here there will be more than enough of them around to grab them up.
Just throwing that out there. I'd sell mine too, but there's a few select corpmates I'm gonna dish them off to. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
4186
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:03:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:So here it is, people constely complain about what is wrong, and whats ****** up. I am not looking to have an ass-kissing thread, but I want people to list what they feel is actually where it should be. Not needing a buff, or nerf. In the past some weapons have been nerfed that didn't need it *coughmassdrivercough* or a buff and didnt need it. Below I am listing weapons I have used and feel are ballenced, I cant say that these are the only weapons balanced, but these are the ones I have experence with. Balanced Weapons
- Flaylock: Some people complain about them beeing OP, but the amount of people who are actually skilled at using it are low. So to me, that means its ballenced enough.
- Sniper rifle: Been killed by it, killed people with it, to me I dont see anything really wrong with these weapons.
- SMG: Used it more in the last build, used it a bit in this, still works good and still kills people who get too close.
- Scrambler Pistol: Not the easiest to use, but powerful when hit.
I'm going to be that guy and say Mass Drivers are also balanced, if equipped with flux grenades.
You should have to use special grenades just to make a weapon worthwhile. |
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IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
137
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:09:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:You should have to use special grenades just to make a weapon worthwhile. Assuming you meant "shouldn't" I'd agree up to a point.
It's an explosive weapon, by nature it's gonna deal crap damage to shields.
Kinda how a scrambler rifle flubs when it hits armor. It's simply inherent in the weapon. This is multiplied by the fact that everyone and their cousin uses CalLogi suits with seventy eight million shields. |
Jenova's Witness
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
146
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:10:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
You shouldn't have to use special grenades just to make a weapon worthwhile.
QFT
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
534
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:19:00 -
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Forge Gun
Smg
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C Saunders
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
243
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:19:00 -
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Jenova's Witness wrote: Did you use the MD in Chromosome? It's not about getting kills, it's about the support functions. You can get more kills in its current state, but logistics players are having issues pushing back and disorienting enemies to revive downed allies (when it works) or flushing enemies out of CQC areas. This is without even factoring the desynch issues.
Yep, I used the Mass Driver in Chromosone as much as I do now in Uprising.
No need to push back and disorientate enemies when killing them is easier.
Mass Drivers great in CQC. |
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