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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:02:00 -
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Aoena Rays wrote:So CPM wants to hand-hold CCP apparently? Might as well just hire entire CPM and do game design then! I don't understand individual CPM members that feel "useless" though. Why not resign then? :/ If you can't find yourself useful to CCP sounds like a good idea to me to do...?
I thought IWS is patient and calm dude but he is trying hard to respond to everyone here and just getting buried and melting away from all attacks all over the place.
Frankly we're all a bit frustrated right now, but only due to the sequence of events that was inevitable when we formed the CPM and that we knew would be unpleasant because it was never destined to be "happy-magic-fix-dust-overnight-land" as much as we'd love to romanticize the idea of a player council.
IWS is a great guy, a hard worker who means well and gives all of you far more attention than is often deserved, given some of the assholes he'll reply to. I've already warned him that responding to obvious trollbait threads like this one are a waste of time because many here simply want to vent anger and take statements out of context in order to incite riots. And lets cut through the bullshit - why are people like this continuing with this tactic month after month after month?
...Because they're still waiting for it to finally work. And it won't. CCP is not your enemy alliance you're at war with, they are a RL business staffed by human beings with feelings and none of you are going to successfully **** talk your way into the negotiating table with the individuals that can actually give you what you're bitching about. It's been tried for years, its failed, and you all know it. Pretend that you care about the game, but at least have the balls to admit you know this isn't going to work and that you're just having fun being an *******.
The more rage, butthurt, smack talk, and facepalming that fills forums - even with the feeble attampts at simply ratcheting up frequency and volume as if brute force emotion is somehow effective as a tactic with dealing with business professionals, the more you're going to find the CPM tuning out this noise as well, even if a few of has have a (well-intentioned) urge to quell emotions that are still going to be there until everything we want fixed is fixed.
Now lets look at some of the hyperbole we've heard in here already - emotionally driven by all parties involved. Of course CCP as not a company know for making FPS's, but the Shanghai team is also chock full of staff from both Dice and Zipper and Praetorian himself described their experience making Battlefield Bad Company at the round table at Fanfest. The idea that there's no one in Shanghai that understands FPS games is frankly ridiculous. Again, feel free to try to torment IWS or to insult CCP's designers because of some statements that could have been phrased more elegantly (but were refreshingly heartfelt) but there's no denying objective fact here when it comes to the personnel involved in Dust's production.
Now do all of us, players and CSM and CCP alike - see the need for MORE staff working on the game? Absolutely. Can lack of time to work on a feature mimic the effect of an incompetent designer? Absolutely. Are any of us happy about the media's review scores? Not in the least, even if we may agree with some of them. Is there any point in pretending that there's no issues here to resolve? Of course not. And will calling CCP a failure when the issue lies there always being more we want done than there is people to do them (which is also improving as CCP hires more and more staff, which they are)
This notion that you all need to preach this to CCP, or to us on the CPM, or that the CPM needs to preach any of it to CCP - is simply absurd at this point. This is exactly why the established the CPM at this time to begin with, to construct and begin practicing with some rather essential communication pipelines that every party knows have to be established in order for us to make progress will help Dust evolve into the game it we know it nees to be
I know CCP's not about to abandon this anytime soon, the CPM sure isn't - as restless as all we are to get involved in a deeper capacity, and whether the rest of you abandon the game or not, at least suck it up and stop pretending you're somehow helping by trying to tar and feather the CPM (which only makes you like an ass to CCP, who know better as to what we've been helping with).
For those that stick around, HTFU and stop QQ-ing about how everything's a disaster and that boomotherfuckinghoo everything is all doomed and ****. Either be part of the solution, and work with us - or own up to the asshattery and continue to spam useless circlejerk threads like this one.
As IWS said - we're in a state of transition right now, there are internal meeting going on to establish the best way to use the CPM and to reach out to the community, and CCP's already owned up to the fact that they're aware of what needs to be done. We are slated to have more meetings with them this week in order to answer many of the questions we have, and we'll have more to report at that time. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
354
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:05:00 -
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Hello. o/ |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
355
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:22:00 -
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I'm not referring to you, specifically, Mith. Only to the the terrible posts that jumped on the bandwagon and were quick to wail about the most extreme possibilities without showing any of the reluctance to jump to conlusions that is needed by community and CPM alike while we await more information from CCP. OP's can have legitimate questions and still see the thread end up like Lord of the Flies. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:31:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:I'm not referring to you, specifically, Mith. Only to the the terrible posts that jumped on the bandwagon and were quick to wail about the most extreme possibilities without showing any of the reluctance to jump to conlusions that is needed by community and CPM alike while we await more information from CCP. OP's can have legitimate questions and still see the thread end up like Lord of the Flies. Okay, I get you. I got the impression that you read the thread as an attack on Ironwolf. Yeah, unfortunately drift towards ragethread seems to be an unfortunate consequence of discussing anything of actual import.
Oh no, the thread itself is not. At least where your intentions were concerned. I'm simply highlighting some of the banal conversation that's ensued, about how CCP has no one that knows FPS's, or that there's some communication blackout (completely different situation than "we'd like more, faster") or that the CPM is impotent (already proven far from that), or other ridiculous hyperbole that only accelerates the type of banal feedback that's already clogging the forums and taking time away from the community team - the very community team who's other job is to secure us the information we need from the developers.
That's right, you heard me - every minute that the community team is running around squashing shitposts and locking spamthreads full of tears and immaturity, is time that you're taking away from them supporting US by giving us the resources we need to get real conversations going about things like game balancing and performance. And that's all I'm asking people to consider here. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:30:00 -
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Telcontar Dunedain wrote:
Yes let's discuss hyperbole Hans?
You, yet again, attack everyone and everything in the forums.
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It's this kind of hostility that is then communicated to Shanghai.
You and Ironwolf both have a bad attitude towards the very people you purport to represent.
P.S. You still don't seem to actually play Dust514, you were in what 1? battle as we ejected your alliance from PC?
Shanghai certainly doesn't need me to point out the issues with certain posters in the forum community. And, you're once again outright lying in saying that I've trashed the forums or forum community as a whole when just about every time I've posted I've explicitly encouraged people to keep their feedback organized, focused, and productive so that it wastes less of the developers time sifting through tears like yours. Now you can go and get REAL MAD at me because I've called your posting style ineffective before (and continue to do so), but the fact remains is that most respectful thing I can do for the community is not only help you waste less of your time beating your head against a wall and getting nowhere with CCP, but helping others to see that you've been trying this unsuccessfully for a year now and that maybe its time to look into some other methods and resources.
And there's not even any point in addressing the juvenile ad hominem attack dropped at the end of your statement here, which has become so cliche over the years its now become a brilliant indicator of someone desperate to shut someone down that they can't otherwise refute using evidence and reason. |
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