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RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
187
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:21:00 -
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I hereby formally request that CCP releases PvE content in the very near future, no matter the state it's in. I don't care how unfinished it is or how broken it is, because PvP is already like this and tweaking the PvP experience is going to be a very long process.
To kill the time and give use something fun to do, let us shoot at those beautifully designed drones, even if they just shuffle around the map or are horrifically stupid or even just sit doing nothing.
I just want something better to do that isn't as basic as being stomped or doing the stomping.
Please. |
Cinnamon267
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
73
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:23:00 -
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Petition? Forcing it out won't do anyone any good. |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
422
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:11:00 -
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Cinnamon267 wrote:Petition? Forcing it out won't do anyone any good.
Having no PvE, won't do anyone any good either.
I've actually been going out more, and just not bothering to try and make it to every PC battle, because PvP just seems to drag on and on. Almost the same predictable outcome between the same predictable players. Good matches are rare, and most matches are one-sided because of overall balancing issues.
I'm tired of this ****. I want more content.
I use to think nerfing one weapon or buffing some other would make the game manageable after a while. Now idgas, and I should have known better. I've been playing online games for 13 years, I already KNOW balancing issues NEVER get 100% player satisfaction. So I end up just 'flavor-of-the-monthing' it, until QQ leads to more adjusting.
It would be nice to have PvE game modes, where PvP is of little to no consequence. Even soldiers take time to stop and play a game of football or basketball or cards, FFS...
What's so wrong with opening up the redzone a bit more and having a LAV race? (I know, this is PvP, but it's something new.) What's wrong with being able to walk about in say... an instance of your own district?
There's always the choice of just taking a break from the game in general, but I think that's self-defeating to a player that actually wants to simply BE in the New Eden universe doing SOMETHING... ANYTHING other than PvP. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
608
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:03:00 -
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We do need PVE or at least other different game modes with some sort of worth and meaning sooner rather than soon(tm) but I'd prefer them to be well thought out and decently constructed instead of quickly rushed out rubbish that amounts to nothing more than COD zombies. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
189
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:14:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:We do need PVE or at least other different game modes with some sort of worth and meaning sooner rather than soon(tm) but I'd prefer them to be well thought out and decently constructed instead of quickly rushed out rubbish that amounts to nothing more than COD zombies. Me too but wouldn't you rather have CoD zombies than nothing? I personally hate CoD, but I loved zombies in World at War and Black Ops, but even that got stale. The reasons I want it in Dust is because it will take so long for it to get boring. Character advancement and playing with fittings is what will keep this game alive, and only through PvE content will players really get to test their gear within controlled parameters. |
Esper Shadows
Copper Dogs
5
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:46:00 -
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Good enemy AI is not easy to achieve and is probably a massive dev time sink. There are enough issues in the PvP modes that sidetracking a significant portion of the dev team into a whole entirely new game mode is probably not a good idea right now.
I'd be happy with improved PvP, and more PvP gaming mode options for right now. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
140
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:54:00 -
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Imagine a bunch of NPCs like the RDV pilots that try to shoot at you. You will be lucky if you can kill one of them before they accidentally kill each other. The AI is one of the hardest part to implement in a game, it takes time. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2220
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:16:00 -
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+1 Roll out PvE asap. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
197
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:32:00 -
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Esper Shadows wrote:Good enemy AI is not easy to achieve and is probably a massive dev time sink. There are enough issues in the PvP modes that sidetracking a significant portion of the dev team into a whole entirely new game mode is probably not a good idea right now.
I'd be happy with improved PvP, and more PvP gaming mode options for right now. But the original point remains: Getting PvP to even 90% of what it should be is going to take a long long time as we're already at 80% - fine tuning takes much longer. At the moment we have no PvE so going from nothing to something is going to be preferable than going from 80% - 81% (and so on) for the next year.
As for the post about AI, that doesn't matter for one, maybe two reasons. Firstly, I just want to roam environments that I can control in some degree, even if these drones worked the same as enemy turret AI, I wouldn't care. It would simply be something else to do. Secondly, I'm 99.9% certain that unreal 3 has it's own AI hard coded. Even if we're just fighting bots it would be great to just shoot something else, feel as powerful as we should as genetically engineered super soldiers.
EDIT: Told you. |
Interplanetary Insanitarium
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:40:00 -
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Just wait. I want PvE as much as the next guy, but asking for an unfinished free to play game mode is just as bad as willingly playing an unfinished free to play game and then complaining about it (not saying you're complaining).
Seriously though, Resistance 2 had a ballin' PvE mode, and if CCP can make it working to where it's half as good (where the enemy uses a wall of bullets but doesn't really take cover) I would probably literally p++p my pants in excitement. |
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dustyvanilla
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:32:00 -
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When you make a new char the intro video says you can fight drones so it really should be in the game, the video also says you can choose who to fight for but you can't do that either |
Fadiia
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:32:00 -
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dustyvanilla wrote:When you make a new char the intro video says you can fight drones so it really should be in the game, the video also says you can choose who to fight for but you can't do that either
coke commercials also depict happy ppl with friends and girlfriends and everything is super awesome.
Would you expecte the bottle of coke to give you all you see in a commercial?
see those trailers as commercials. not everything in it is also reality.
To the Petition: NO. Because you ppl would be among the first to rage and QQ in the forums. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
197
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:19:00 -
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Fadiia wrote:dustyvanilla wrote:When you make a new char the intro video says you can fight drones so it really should be in the game, the video also says you can choose who to fight for but you can't do that either coke commercials also depict happy ppl with friends and girlfriends and everything is super awesome. Would you expecte the bottle of coke to give you all you see in a commercial? see those trailers as commercials. not everything in it is also reality. To the Petition: NO. Because you ppl would be among the first to rage and QQ in the forums. Would you mind telling me how you came to that conclusion? Raging and QQ'ing has no place here...
As for your little analogy, it's terrible. No I wouldn't expect a bottle of Cola to be a magic item that grants wishes, but I would expect that if the commercial told me it could, it damn well better be able to. The only excuse you have for the trailer's apparent inaccuracy is that the voice says GÇ£you might need to clear out drone infestationsGÇ¥ but that's shaky at best because we've been shown these drones in at least two trailers now and this one:
The way of the mercenary
It's at least 8 months old! And the next one:
Gathering Forces
It's 5 months old.
If a game has a trailer that clearly shows in game footage, you expect to be able to go and enjoy that particular part of the game unless stated otherwise.
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RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:30:00 -
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Any more support here? |
Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
72
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:21:00 -
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RINON114 wrote:If a game has a trailer that clearly shows in game footage, you expect to be able to go and enjoy that particular part of the game unless stated otherwise.
Not hating the idea, I like it. I just popped in to say, that's not in-game footage. Assault Suits can't hold Forge Guns, and they didn't have white suits. I'm sorry to say, that's computer animation. :( |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:11:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:RINON114 wrote:If a game has a trailer that clearly shows in game footage, you expect to be able to go and enjoy that particular part of the game unless stated otherwise.
Not hating the idea, I like it. I just popped in to say, that's not in-game footage. Assault Suits can't hold Forge Guns, and they didn't have white suits. I'm sorry to say, that's computer animation. :( Sorry, I meant in terms of in game models. The trailer uses in game assets along with a little computer magic for sure but the intention is to make it appear as though you can do all of the things in the trailer. This also doesn't cover the GÇ£Way of the MercenaryGÇ¥ trailer (which is even older) as it does use what I can only see as in game footage. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
146
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Posted - 2013.06.04 19:09:00 -
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A tower defense mode can be something pretty easy to start. For the devs, it doesn't require a superb AI. And level design should be not so complicated for them. |
martinofski
Les Rebelles A Qc
169
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Posted - 2013.06.04 19:14:00 -
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+1 |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
203
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Posted - 2013.06.04 19:52:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:A tower defense mode can be something pretty easy to start. For the devs, it doesn't require a superb AI. And level design should be not so complicated for them. Like I said earlier, I don't care if I'm shooting at targets standing still, I just want a controlled environment ASAP. I love ambush OMS because it's the only game mode where you can be in a match by yourself or with just one other person. It's great to get to know the maps on your terms, and it's much less frustrating to be killed by a giant robot of death than somebody who is miles better than you for whatever reason (More SP, better gear, OP fit, LAV, or just being better). |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2013.06.04 19:58:00 -
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It's surprising that CCP is against releasing an unfinished game feature. I mean hell just look around. |
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Cinnamon267
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
75
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:16:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Cinnamon267 wrote:Petition? Forcing it out won't do anyone any good. Having no PvE, won't do anyone any good either. I've actually been going out more, and just not bothering to try and make it to every PC battle, because PvP just seems to drag on and on. Almost the same predictable outcome between the same predictable players. Good matches are rare, and most matches are one-sided because of overall balancing issues. I'm tired of this ****. I want more content. I use to think nerfing one weapon or buffing some other would make the game manageable after a while. Now idgas, and I should have known better. I've been playing online games for 13 years, I already KNOW balancing issues NEVER get 100% player satisfaction. So I end up just 'flavor-of-the-monthing' it, until QQ leads to more adjusting. It would be nice to have PvE game modes, where PvP is of little to no consequence. Even soldiers take time to stop and play a game of football or basketball or cards, FFS... What's so wrong with opening up the redzone a bit more and having a LAV race? (I know, this is PvP, but it's something new.) What's wrong with being able to walk about in say... an instance of your own district? There's always the choice of just taking a break from the game in general, but I think that's self-defeating to a player that actually wants to simply BE in the New Eden universe doing SOMETHING... ANYTHING other than PvP.
And forcing it out causes more people to **** and moan about it "sucking" and the game is "dying". We don't need more. I agree more content is needed. But, the thing that is needed is more FINISHED content. We don't know how far PVE is away from being released into this game. It is coming. We know that. We've heard about it.
Walk in your own district? People are so desperate for something else other than what they have I have to wonder why are they even playing? You sound like you hate it. I don't see how forcing out content is going to remedy that.
Mike Poole wrote:It's surprising that CCP is against releasing an unfinished game feature. I mean hell just look around.
Except we don't know what state it is in. For all we know it's still in the prototype stage.
RINON114 wrote:Any more support here?
I support more content. Just not half assed content. I want what they have polished and finalized. Not other things that clearly aren't ready for the daylight. |
Pent'noir
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:48:00 -
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I also want pve, but it probably isn't something to be rushed. I have no clue how they will make pve meaningful. Running instances without some sort of goal is very boring. When I've ran all of the instances in a game and got all of the good loot, I usually quit and find a new game. I have no clue what sort of goal we will get with running dust pve besides a different way to grind sp/isk. Although, i guess a different way to grind would be nice.
If just having a different way to grind is what pve will be, then I'd say let there be a game mode with drones in the middle of our regular matches that attacks everyone while both teams are trying to cap an objective. More death and mayhem is always welcomed. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
4201
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:15:00 -
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Incomplete PVE is better than none. |
Rachoi
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
85
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:22:00 -
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i'd like to see the PvE modes, and help them flesh out what is going right and wrrong with them. hell, they can treat us like beta testers again. a break from the same stuff, over and over. we could use a dash of spice to improve and expand the territory we can see.
even if it's more of jsut a free roam of some districts we own to see what is set up in that one map square, i would enjoy it, and be able to help CCP find those map seams if they give us coordinate control during that time. and then with that basic free roam they can slowly expand on what we could do with that freedom, from mineral gathering, to fighting random drone swarms and pushing away gurista attacks |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
204
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Posted - 2013.06.05 06:24:00 -
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Cinnamon267 wrote:Jathniel wrote:Cinnamon267 wrote:Petition? Forcing it out won't do anyone any good. Having no PvE, won't do anyone any good either. I've actually been going out more, and just not bothering to try and make it to every PC battle, because PvP just seems to drag on and on. Almost the same predictable outcome between the same predictable players. Good matches are rare, and most matches are one-sided because of overall balancing issues. I'm tired of this ****. I want more content. I use to think nerfing one weapon or buffing some other would make the game manageable after a while. Now idgas, and I should have known better. I've been playing online games for 13 years, I already KNOW balancing issues NEVER get 100% player satisfaction. So I end up just 'flavor-of-the-monthing' it, until QQ leads to more adjusting. It would be nice to have PvE game modes, where PvP is of little to no consequence. Even soldiers take time to stop and play a game of football or basketball or cards, FFS... What's so wrong with opening up the redzone a bit more and having a LAV race? (I know, this is PvP, but it's something new.) What's wrong with being able to walk about in say... an instance of your own district? There's always the choice of just taking a break from the game in general, but I think that's self-defeating to a player that actually wants to simply BE in the New Eden universe doing SOMETHING... ANYTHING other than PvP. And forcing it out causes more people to **** and moan about it "sucking" and the game is "dying". We don't need more. I agree more content is needed. But, the thing that is needed is more FINISHED content. We don't know how far PVE is away from being released into this game. It is coming. We know that. We've heard about it. Walk in your own district? People are so desperate for something else other than what they have I have to wonder why are they even playing? You sound like you hate it. I don't see how forcing out content is going to remedy that. Mike Poole wrote:It's surprising that CCP is against releasing an unfinished game feature. I mean hell just look around. Except we don't know what state it is in. For all we know it's still in the prototype stage. RINON114 wrote:Any more support here? I support more content. Just not half assed content. I want what they have polished and finalized. Not other things that clearly aren't ready for the daylight. Agreed that you shouldn't play if you hate it, but let's face it: people are sticking around for the potential of this game more than for what it is now. Incomplete PvE is better than nothing as has been said previously. Also, I will return to one of my earlier examples:
Dust 514 is like a marathon. Getting to the half way mark is fairly easy for those who have trained, even getting 80% of the way should be fairly simple. But to run that last 10% is massively more difficult than the first 80-90%. What this represents is PvP, it's about 90% completed with all of the tweaks and balancing issues that need applying accounting for the final 10%.
The above example can be applied to PvE so we can have, at least, a 50% finished game mode. It doesn't have to be anything spectacular, the first **** Zombies from CoD: World at War was a simple bonus level that provided hours upon hours of fun, and I doubt it took more than a week to develop and implement.
The main reason for withholding PvE seems to be one of pride, they don't want to release it without the mode having some tie to EVE, to which I say GÇ£I don't careGÇ¥. If PvE was in this game CCP would be at least 100 dollars better off, just saying. |
Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
88
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Posted - 2013.06.05 07:28:00 -
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I agree, PVE would be a worthwhile addition to Dust. We want to kill rogue drones and harvest their carcasses for salvaged goodies. Give us planetary infestations to take care of, we'll farm them for isk and gear and get tons of salvage. This would be a nice bonus revenue stream for mercs wanting a break from the same types of matches over and over again. |
Nariec
Carbon 7
35
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:01:00 -
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I want to kill terminator robots now |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
206
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:53:00 -
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Anybody else want to contribute their opinions? Anything you can offer will be great! |
Adrhianny
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:20:00 -
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I'm an Eve vet, trying my hand at Dust.. which is actually my first FPS. Having some sort of PVE would be helpful for me (and I suspect, others too) in order to get a feel for the mechanics, what damage the weapons do and at what ranges etc.
Right now there's no other way than to learn through pvp, which can be somewhat demotivating since I get whacked time and time again. Of course I HTFU but still - a pve mode would be useful to a newbie like me.
Also, I like to explore. There's beautiful landscapes beyond the red zone.. I'd like to take a look there ;-) |
Skipper Jones
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
111
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:35:00 -
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As much as I would LOVE to see PvE finally come out, It's the wrong time for it. Since the Beta stamp is off now, CCP can't be releasing "Sink or Swim" components to the game. This isn't a tester's game now. They should've released it for a week or two in the closed beta to see how players reacted to it and work from there. I do wanna see PvE soon. This next big update (That should be coming later this year) hopefully has PvE in it.
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