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          BASSMEANT 
          ZionTCD Unclaimed.
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          not enough profit?
  anyone else hearing this?
  Peace B | 
      
      
      
          
          dabest2evadoit7 
          Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Universal Accord
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          Nah, but wouldn't surprise me. | 
      
      
      
          
          HOMMANDO 
          Goonfeet
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 04:10:00 -
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          Was the person who told you this over the age of 12? | 
      
      
      
          
          Centurion mkII 
          SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 04:11:00 -
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          This is exactly where that rumor started. | 
      
      
      
          
          Daxxis KANNAH 
          Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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          P!ss Poor - CCP this is absolutely pathetic.
  1st get some rock solid servers
  Stop what ever you doing with your head in the clouds and work on the damn basics. | 
      
      
      
          
          WolfmanmikeFC 
          Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 04:15:00 -
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          trust me it wouldn't be that. they make more then enough over head from EVE to support running the servers from dust. and they have the same developers for both games so its not like when they made dust 514 they had to hire a bunch of people to make a whole new game. | 
      
      
      
          
          Win TheDay 
          Death in Two Strikes
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 04:17:00 -
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          Problem due to Templar Hunt? | 
      
      
      
          
          UNIsTaken 
          AMC Dropbears
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 04:22:00 -
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          I can say I was there the day this rumour started! (today, in this thread) | 
      
      
      
          
          itsmellslikefish 
          DIOS X. II
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 04:35:00 -
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          Did they spend too much isk thinking it was from their respec and go negative after the fix? | 
      
      
      
          
          LongLostLust 
          Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 04:43:00 -
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          itsmellslikefish wrote:Did they spend too much isk thinking it was from their respec and go negative after the fix?   Epic probably | 
      
      
      
          
          Jason Punk 
          DUST University Ivy League
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 04:52:00 -
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          Centurion mkII wrote:This is exactly where that rumor started.  
  Bah ha ha he, yep...and hopefully ended.
  Server is having trouble. It happens. Nothing getting shut down...calm down ladies   | 
      
      
      
          
          hooc order 
          Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 04:53:00 -
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          You would never hear a word it would just happen...maybe a week notice. | 
      
      
      
          
          Eggress 
          Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 04:55:00 -
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          The sooner, the better. Blacklist the devteam industry wide. | 
      
      
      
          
          stlcarlos989 
          SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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          WolfmanmikeFC wrote:trust me it wouldn't be that. they make more then enough over head from EVE to support running the servers from dust. and they have the same developers for both games so its not like when they made dust 514 they had to hire a bunch of people to make a whole new game.   
  They should have. They have the MMO aspect of this game down but the FPS aspect needs a lot of work. They should hire developers who have experience in FPS games. If this game had the current MMO experience and the gameplay was truly a cross between MAG and Halo as the developers intended there would be at least 100 times the amount of people currently playing.
  I consider this game to be in open beta because of the vast amount of the game that we still don't have. I hope that in the near future probably on PS4 that we have smooth lag free gameplay with beatutiful graphics, tight and responsive controls that allow for actual competitive skill based gameplay. | 
      
      
      
          
          Xocoyol Zaraoul 
          Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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          BASSMEANT wrote:not enough profit?
  anyone else hearing this?
  Peace B  
  Source: You | 
      
      
      
          
          SuperKing BigNuts 
          Contract Hunters
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          stlcarlos989 wrote:WolfmanmikeFC wrote:trust me it wouldn't be that. they make more then enough over head from EVE to support running the servers from dust. and they have the same developers for both games so its not like when they made dust 514 they had to hire a bunch of people to make a whole new game.   They should have. They have the MMO aspect of this game down but the FPS aspect needs a lot of work. They should hire developers who have experience in FPS games. If this game had the current MMO experience and the gameplay was truly a cross between MAG and Halo as the developers intended there would be at least 100 times the amount of people currently playing. I consider this game to be in open beta because of the vast amount of the game that we still don't have. I hope that in the near future probably on PS4 that we have smooth lag free gameplay with beatutiful graphics, tight and responsive controls that allow for actual competitive skill based gameplay.  
  400-600k players? perhaps i dont know the FPS player base as well as i should, but do call of duty and other games of the genre pull that many people? and thats being lax only counting the numbers i see on the login screen of 'currently online'
  your estimation seems a bit high to me though...
  and personally, i could give 2 ***** less about the GFX if they could fix the game play... broken needles, the terrain issues, make the EVE-DUST connection and have it be meaningful maybe?
  and speaking of the EVE-DUST connection... i shudder at the thought of the meta level bastardization that is the DUST meta level being involved in EVE based industry... the ONLY accurate piece of meta level that i saw was that the officer weapons were meta 10... standard suits are meta 1(should be 0 if its to be base line), militia are meta 1(shouldnt even be a meta group either), proto suits are 7(storyline loot), proto rifles are 8 and 9(faction). there is no way that i can imagine the current meta levels being introduced in a coherent and meaningful fashion to EVE industry... being t1(meta 0) > invention > t2(meta 5) and all meta 1-4 and 6-14 being 'found loot' from drops/mission rewards with no existing BPOs... | 
      
      
      
          
          Maken Tosch 
          DUST University Ivy League
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          This was the thread that started the rumor. | 
      
      
      
          
          Delta 749 
          Kestrel Reconnaissance
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          SuperKing BigNuts wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:WolfmanmikeFC wrote:trust me it wouldn't be that. they make more then enough over head from EVE to support running the servers from dust. and they have the same developers for both games so its not like when they made dust 514 they had to hire a bunch of people to make a whole new game.   They should have. They have the MMO aspect of this game down but the FPS aspect needs a lot of work. They should hire developers who have experience in FPS games. If this game had the current MMO experience and the gameplay was truly a cross between MAG and Halo as the developers intended there would be at least 100 times the amount of people currently playing. I consider this game to be in open beta because of the vast amount of the game that we still don't have. I hope that in the near future probably on PS4 that we have smooth lag free gameplay with beatutiful graphics, tight and responsive controls that allow for actual competitive skill based gameplay.  400-600k players? perhaps i dont know the FPS player base as well as i should, but do call of duty and other games of the genre pull that many people? and thats being lax only counting the numbers i see on the login screen of 'currently online' your estimation seems a bit high to me though... and personally, i could give 2 ***** less about the GFX if they could fix the game play... broken needles, the terrain issues, make the EVE-DUST connection and have it be meaningful maybe? and speaking of the EVE-DUST connection... i shudder at the thought of the meta level bastardization that is the DUST meta level being involved in EVE based industry... the ONLY accurate piece of meta level that i saw was that the officer weapons were meta 10... standard suits are meta 1(should be 0 if its to be base line), militia are meta 1(shouldnt even be a meta group either), proto suits are 7(storyline loot), proto rifles are 8 and 9(faction). there is no way that i can imagine the current meta levels being introduced in a coherent and meaningful fashion to EVE industry... being t1(meta 0) > invention > t2(meta 5) and all meta 1-4 and 6-14 being 'found loot' from drops/mission rewards with no existing BPOs...  
  Only commenting on you asking about the playerbase of other FPS games and I have to tell you that Black Ops 2 sold 7.5 million copies in 24 hours in the US alone at launch date so half a millions players at once is easily conceivable | 
      
      
      
          
          stlcarlos989 
          SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 05:29:00 -
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          SuperKing BigNuts wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:WolfmanmikeFC wrote:trust me it wouldn't be that. they make more then enough over head from EVE to support running the servers from dust. and they have the same developers for both games so its not like when they made dust 514 they had to hire a bunch of people to make a whole new game.   They should have. They have the MMO aspect of this game down but the FPS aspect needs a lot of work. They should hire developers who have experience in FPS games. If this game had the current MMO experience and the gameplay was truly a cross between MAG and Halo as the developers intended there would be at least 100 times the amount of people currently playing. I consider this game to be in open beta because of the vast amount of the game that we still don't have. I hope that in the near future probably on PS4 that we have smooth lag free gameplay with beatutiful graphics, tight and responsive controls that allow for actual competitive skill based gameplay.  400-600k players? perhaps i dont know the FPS player base as well as i should, but do call of duty and other games of the genre pull that many people? and thats being lax only counting the numbers i see on the login screen of 'currently online' your estimation seems a bit high to me though... and personally, i could give 2 ***** less about the GFX if they could fix the game play... broken needles, the terrain issues, make the EVE-DUST connection and have it be meaningful maybe? and speaking of the EVE-DUST connection... i shudder at the thought of the meta level bastardization that is the DUST meta level being involved in EVE based industry... the ONLY accurate piece of meta level that i saw was that the officer weapons were meta 10... standard suits are meta 1(should be 0 if its to be base line), militia are meta 1(shouldnt even be a meta group either), proto suits are 7(storyline loot), proto rifles are 8 and 9(faction). there is no way that i can imagine the current meta levels being introduced in a coherent and meaningful fashion to EVE industry... being t1(meta 0) > invention > t2(meta 5) and all meta 1-4 and 6-14 being 'found loot' from drops/mission rewards with no existing BPOs...  
  google search came up with this its a year old but its shows the scale of the FPS community http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250080/top-10-in-sales-first-person-shooters/
  By smooth lag free game play I meant that current issues in the game are fixed. | 
      
      
      
          
          SoTah Pawp 
          Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 05:31:00 -
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          GUISE- No need to fear! DAYMAN IS HERE! | 
      
      
      
          
          Sgt Kirk 
          SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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          BASSMEANT wrote:not enough profit?
  anyone else hearing this?
  Peace B   Shut the hell up 
  Peace  S.K. | 
      
      
      
          
          SuperKing BigNuts 
          Contract Hunters
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 05:46:00 -
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          stlcarlos989 wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:WolfmanmikeFC wrote:trust me it wouldn't be that. they make more then enough over head from EVE to support running the servers from dust. and they have the same developers for both games so its not like when they made dust 514 they had to hire a bunch of people to make a whole new game.   They should have. They have the MMO aspect of this game down but the FPS aspect needs a lot of work. They should hire developers who have experience in FPS games. If this game had the current MMO experience and the gameplay was truly a cross between MAG and Halo as the developers intended there would be at least 100 times the amount of people currently playing. I consider this game to be in open beta because of the vast amount of the game that we still don't have. I hope that in the near future probably on PS4 that we have smooth lag free gameplay with beatutiful graphics, tight and responsive controls that allow for actual competitive skill based gameplay.  400-600k players? perhaps i dont know the FPS player base as well as i should, but do call of duty and other games of the genre pull that many people? and thats being lax only counting the numbers i see on the login screen of 'currently online' your estimation seems a bit high to me though... and personally, i could give 2 ***** less about the GFX if they could fix the game play... broken needles, the terrain issues, make the EVE-DUST connection and have it be meaningful maybe? and speaking of the EVE-DUST connection... i shudder at the thought of the meta level bastardization that is the DUST meta level being involved in EVE based industry... the ONLY accurate piece of meta level that i saw was that the officer weapons were meta 10... standard suits are meta 1(should be 0 if its to be base line), militia are meta 1(shouldnt even be a meta group either), proto suits are 7(storyline loot), proto rifles are 8 and 9(faction). there is no way that i can imagine the current meta levels being introduced in a coherent and meaningful fashion to EVE industry... being t1(meta 0) > invention > t2(meta 5) and all meta 1-4 and 6-14 being 'found loot' from drops/mission rewards with no existing BPOs...  google search came up with this its a year old but its shows the scale of the FPS community http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250080/top-10-in-sales-first-person-shooters/By smooth lag free game play I meant that current issues in the game are fixed.  
  i figured as much that you meant getting the game play down, i was just stating that id rather they fix gameplay b4 they do any more facelifts like uprising... in a game thats intended to eventually be player driven, they need to get the market to a state of being by players for players, and mentioned in what i caught of the fanfest feeds that they were just going to farm it out to the EVE side indi guys to take care of rather than giving us the SP sinks of industry skills... which spurred on my rant about the rediculous rant about the connection.
  and as i mentioned, im not familiar with the FPS player base, but being a new title, and not a standing franchise like call of duty or medal of honor or even halo, 600k concurrent players seems a bit excessive of a goal or expectation to me. and given the nature of New Eden, that life here isnt easy, i honestly expect a lot of the regular FPS player base to have a hard time adjusting... some might enjoy the challenge and thrive in the environment, while many others will just say f' this noise... i make this assumption based on my experiences in EVE Online, where many players never make it past their free trial periods... | 
      
      
      
          
          Longshot Ravenwood 
          Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 05:52:00 -
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          The squad holds position as an active scanner spins up to survey the next corridor. They mark their targets and a chirp echoes through the stillness and silence less than a heartbeat before its pierced by the hungry retorts of a scrambler rifle before the air fills with fire. The ugly rumors lie dead on the floor.
  In-game solutions to in-game problems. | 
      
      
      
          
          Thanos Warpfiend 
          HongKong n Shanghai Merc Corp
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          Anybody with a semblance of understanding of investments or any knowledge of CCPs history would understand why this is bullshit.
 
  I guess
 
  some people
 
  just ooze stupidity
 
 
  Peace
  T | 
      
      
      
          
          stlcarlos989 
          SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 05:56:00 -
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          SuperKing BigNuts wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:WolfmanmikeFC wrote:trust me it wouldn't be that. they make more then enough over head from EVE to support running the servers from dust. and they have the same developers for both games so its not like when they made dust 514 they had to hire a bunch of people to make a whole new game.   They should have. They have the MMO aspect of this game down but the FPS aspect needs a lot of work. They should hire developers who have experience in FPS games. If this game had the current MMO experience and the gameplay was truly a cross between MAG and Halo as the developers intended there would be at least 100 times the amount of people currently playing. I consider this game to be in open beta because of the vast amount of the game that we still don't have. I hope that in the near future probably on PS4 that we have smooth lag free gameplay with beatutiful graphics, tight and responsive controls that allow for actual competitive skill based gameplay.  400-600k players? perhaps i dont know the FPS player base as well as i should, but do call of duty and other games of the genre pull that many people? and thats being lax only counting the numbers i see on the login screen of 'currently online' your estimation seems a bit high to me though... and personally, i could give 2 ***** less about the GFX if they could fix the game play... broken needles, the terrain issues, make the EVE-DUST connection and have it be meaningful maybe? and speaking of the EVE-DUST connection... i shudder at the thought of the meta level bastardization that is the DUST meta level being involved in EVE based industry... the ONLY accurate piece of meta level that i saw was that the officer weapons were meta 10... standard suits are meta 1(should be 0 if its to be base line), militia are meta 1(shouldnt even be a meta group either), proto suits are 7(storyline loot), proto rifles are 8 and 9(faction). there is no way that i can imagine the current meta levels being introduced in a coherent and meaningful fashion to EVE industry... being t1(meta 0) > invention > t2(meta 5) and all meta 1-4 and 6-14 being 'found loot' from drops/mission rewards with no existing BPOs...  google search came up with this its a year old but its shows the scale of the FPS community http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250080/top-10-in-sales-first-person-shooters/By smooth lag free game play I meant that current issues in the game are fixed.  i figured as much that you meant getting the game play down, i was just stating that id rather they fix gameplay b4 they do any more facelifts like uprising... in a game thats intended to eventually be player driven, they need to get the market to a state of being by players for players, and mentioned in what i caught of the fanfest feeds that they were just going to farm it out to the EVE side indi guys to take care of rather than giving us the SP sinks of industry skills... which spurred on my rant about the rediculous rant about the connection. and as i mentioned, im not familiar with the FPS player base, but being a new title, and not a standing franchise like call of duty or medal of honor or even halo, 600k concurrent players seems a bit excessive of a goal or expectation to me. and given the nature of New Eden, that life here isnt easy, i honestly expect a lot of the regular FPS player base to have a hard time adjusting... some might enjoy the challenge and thrive in the environment, while many others will just say f' this noise... i make this assumption based on my experiences in EVE Online, where many players never make it past their free trial periods...  
  while I agree that most of the FPS community is impatient and won't want to endure the grind of New Eden, there is also the MMO community to consider. CCP shouldn't have "released" the game until it was a more of a finished product. Then atleast they could have properly advertised the game and the reviews wouldn't be as brutal as they are. I'm not hating on this game I honestly hope that it reaches the potential I envisioned when I first learned about this game almost 4 years ago.
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          lllIIIlI IIIlIl 
          Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 05:56:00 -
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          As an insider at CCP I can confirm this statement. | 
      
      
      
          
          SuperKing BigNuts 
          Contract Hunters
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        Posted - 2013.06.02 06:06:00 -
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          stlcarlos989 wrote:while I agree that most of the FPS community is impatient and won't want to endure the grind of New Eden, there is also the MMO community to consider. CCP shouldn't have "released" the game until it was a more of a finished product. Then atleast they could have properly advertised the game and the reviews wouldn't be as brutal as they are. I'm not hating on this game I honestly hope that it reaches the potential I envisioned when I first learned about this game almost 4 years ago.
   
  i admit to being something of a fanboy, but i also expect CCP to be held accountable for their end of the bargain... which to date, they have done a relatively poor job of in terms of grand schemes vs what theyve got out... the problem isnt how great this game will be in 5-10 years, the problem is that the games broke right now, and was hardly ready for commercial launch with such major gaps between what they envision for the game and what theyve actually got so far... 
  i am concerned that this game might go the way of captains quarters... some great grand scheme they had of getting us interacting as pilots instead of just ships in space, playing dress up in our quarters with a $60 monocole... | 
      
      
      
          
          KalOfTheRathi 
          Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire
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          Daxxis KANNAH wrote: -- snip QQ about servers -- 
   Excuse me? They have had very few server issues during the entire time of Dust 514 and the move to Tranquility. Not to mention that EVE has been up and going for quite sometime as well with little outages.
  Things fail. It happens. Take a chill pill. | 
      
      
      
          
          DAMIOS82 
          Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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          I would not worry about CCP and Dust. EVE has had the same problems and 10 years later its doing just fine. Even a few years back CCP had problems due to the economy and they survived. Same for now, Dust might not be as grand as some games, but i'm sure it will grow better and so will the player base. | 
      
      
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