Every time I make a post suggesting to fix armor I can't ever suggest anything without thinking at how much shield tanks would benefit from it, so the only way to really fix it is to add passives for the Armor races for just being the race, or increase the speed of all suits that focus on using armor so when the penalty hits it would put us on par with a normal suit that focuses on shields while both having an equal EHP with equal investment.

Also I believe that armor should fragment and increase the damage we take from explosives progressively, so instead of a MD doing 130% damage initially it would start out at 100% and go up as our armor goes down; almost everything on the field is made to destroy armor so we should have a fighting chance at least. Flux grenades should also have the ability disrupt the recharge delay and have a EMP effect, so if I get fluxed my shields would take longer to recharge and my sensors would be disrupted pretty much a flash bang/grenade.

For dropsuits, one thing to consider with a speed increase is that, in combination with lots of low slots on armour tanking suits, the modules that increase speed would now make speed tanking easier as well. Would a fast Gallente scout benefit out of proportion? A Gallente prototype scout has 4 low slots and 5.5 m/s move, 7.6 m/s sprint right now.

That would work, yeah.
It would nerf shield tanking fairly significantly at the same time as buffing armour quite a bit, though, so that's perhaps not ideal.

I don't think devs read these posts as much as they should :(

IMO
1.Change the gallente and amarr assault suits skill bonus from 5% shield recharge to 5% reduction to armor plates speed penality.
2.Give shields a proper drawback. In eve armor plates slows you down BUT shields increase your sig. radius.
Just give shield extender a sig radius penality like in eve so that armor is slower but shields make you more visible on the battlefield.
-Basic shield extender +3% sig radius
-Advanced shield extender +5% sig radius
-Proto shield extender +10% sig radius

In the world of EVE were sig radius matters a bit more, in our world sig radius isn't as important as speed. Sig radius doesn't save my life as much as running away.

Did FoxFour read it

FoxFour said he'd read this later on IRC.
Maybe I'll stop calling him SoxFour.

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Your forgetting the weapons that do have an edge against armor, like missiles, grenades, mass drivers, flaylock pistol, smgs, HMG, and remote explosives. All of which have a 130% damage increase against armor.

I am going to be honest, I learnt a fair bit reading this post. I actually asked Arkena to make this post as he was explaining armor tanking to me in IRC.

I can't really comment on this very much though as it is not an area I work on. I can and will say however that those that do work on this stuff have read this thread. It actually made it into our weekly community report today that gets sent around to everyone working on DUST.

Thank you very much for this post. :D

We haven't yet seen the bonuses that are being put in, or the stats on the new stuff and tweaked stuff.

There also other tweaks like the bonuses and a speed penalty reduction.
I'm not certain it'll fix things, but it's worth waiting for.

Not really because now armor can be stacked just as much as shields. And because armor tanks have more low slots in the end they both come out having the same EHP.

I did the same thing, but I assumed reactive to have the same EHP as shields, and 2/3/4 repair. What I got was actually pretty interesting, I compared a Assault ck.0 and a Assault gk.0. They had the same exactly EHP, but the Gallente was repping armor 4 hp/s faster and the Caldari was drowning in CPU/PG costs trying to keep up while the Gallente was breezing through it, when averaged the Caldari had a bit higher total regeneration but it came at the cost of exhausting almost all of their CPU/PG. With these numbers it means that the Caldari will not able to use Reactive plates as good as the Gallente and must compensate elsewhere, meaning the Gallente will actually have a assumed advantage when stacking these plates, which is awesome .

I compared the Logistics suit but I got a bag full of fail and OPness going to the CaLogi.

the idea is to create more skilled players, not cater to wimps. if, it only takes 3 extra bullets to kill a heavy than to kill a meduim frame there is no point to using it.


likewise, with armor tankers with all the penalties and draw backs, if it you only can take 3-4 more bullents whats the point to using it?

they already have. Range.

Plus the forge gun bites ass killing infantry.