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IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.05.31 10:36:00 -
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I'm not gonna read through all this mess, though I did read the first post by Aran.
Just a heads up, if you click on Sica (for example) or Viper... and go to the 'variants' tab, you can see that there are already "BPO's" for these items that aren't available.
You can also see some of the 'rewards' we may be getting from using those recruit links... such as the "staff recruiter sniper rifle" BPO...
Just a heads up. It always helps to take a look around. = ) |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.31 10:36:00 -
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Posting in another Goon social engineering thread.
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Aran Abbas
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.31 11:04:00 -
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Shion Typhon wrote:There's the option to add new ISK-only tiers as you start selling more and more Aurum tiers. If everyone can buy a proto-BPO the top players don't get quite so antsy if they can still use a MegaHyperProto dropsuit that only they with their massive ISK and SP can fit.
Bare in mind that adding tiers is difficult and resource-intensive (we still don't have racial variants of dropsuits after all this time) but introducing a BPO of something that already exists and is reasonably balanced is both easy and profitable.
We all want Dust to be great. It won't be great without development. There won't be development without real life money. And real life money is most easily acquired via new and exciting BPO's |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:15:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:Shion Typhon wrote:There's the option to add new ISK-only tiers as you start selling more and more Aurum tiers. If everyone can buy a proto-BPO the top players don't get quite so antsy if they can still use a MegaHyperProto dropsuit that only they with their massive ISK and SP can fit. Bare in mind that adding tiers is difficult and resource-intensive (we still don't have racial variants of dropsuits after all this time) but introducing a BPO of something that already exists and is reasonably balanced is both easy and profitable. We all want Dust to be great. It won't be great without development. There won't be development without real life money. And real life money is most easily acquired via new and exciting BPO's Actually, adding new tiers of existing equipment just means a new colour scheme on the existing model.
It's no more intensive than adding the AUR version of the same item, and if they're donw at the same time, it would make the process even easier.
Add an AUR Advanced item, and a Proto+ version of the same item for ISK. That way, the top-level competitive players will still be running the top 2 tiers and lower-level players or those running BPOs will run "cheap" gear. |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:11:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote: Actually, adding new tiers of existing equipment just means a new colour scheme on the existing model.
It's no more intensive than adding the AUR version of the same item, and if they're donw at the same time, it would make the process even easier.
Add an AUR Advanced item, and a Proto+ version of the same item for ISK. That way, the top-level competitive players will still be running the top 2 tiers and lower-level players or those running BPOs will run "cheap" gear.
Don't forget that any new tier must go through balancing, and we all know how timely and efficient CCP are with that. How long have we been waiting for certain weapons to be tweaked? How long will we wait for the Assault suits to be made competitive with Logi suits? How long have free murder taxi's been a problem but instead of weakening they buffed instead? Weeks if not months.
On the other hand, turning an existing Advanced item into a BPO and thereby into real world income is possible in a few days. You kinda just have to put a blue square around it (very simplified, I realise). You can then breathe a sigh of relief and pay your staff to work on the hard problems of balancing and creating art and models and maps etc.
Most peoples idea of CCP's CEO is that he's probably looking at spreadsheets of item stats all day long. I find it infinitely more likely he's looking at spreadsheets of costs and revenue streams and headcounts. "This brought in lots of money, let's do it again and on a larger scale so we get even more money than last time."
Nothing wrong with that. It's a business.
I think you're perfectly right about there eventually being a Proto+ tier of items that they'll need to bring out when Advanced AUR BPO's arrive. I think we'll see it if not in one year then two max. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:19:00 -
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As soon as they start releasing Advanced BPOs without also releasing another tier of weapons above Proto, they start hemorraging players.
If they DON'T, and they keep to their promises and vision of a 10-year lifespan for DUST without pay-to-win, they hold onto the current 50,000+ playerbase (low estimate), and keep working towards expanding that playerbase. As new players come into the game, some will spend money, buy BPOs and other AUR items, providing income, and the constant flow of new players who DON'T want to spend AUR will encourage people with disposable income to - when the player market arrives - buy up those BPOs to sell on to other players for ISK.
Which would be more profitable? A stable playerbase hovering around the 100,000 mark, with occasional purchases from long-time players and regular purchases from new arrivals, producing consistent profits on an ongoing basis as time marches on? Or a small core of 10,000 and dropping with no sales except when you release a new tier of BPOs, and each time losing more of that dwindling playerbase and those dwindling sales?
I know which picture I'd rather be looking at, and it's not the way you're expecting the game to go. |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:29:00 -
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In response I put to you "Last chance to get these Merc pack items before they go away permanently!" and then a week later they're in the Store. We'll see the Omega boosters again, despite the allusion they were a one-shot deal, precisely because they were bestsellers. Everyone knows there's no scarcity of digital goods so to make it seem so and get people to part with money quickly you have to lie.
When the real potential for more money is involved, a company very quickly forgets its promises. CCP has proven that time and again. And ten years down the line is less important than being able to pay the wages now. They would have introduced Gold Ammo into EVE too had it not been plastered across the media, causeed an immense player backlash, and threatened their bottom line. With Dust, however, world + dog expects Gold Ammo to an extent since the base product is free.
I too would hope Dust goes the way you hope it to go, but I would stake an immense amount on it going the way I believe it will. |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:02:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:In response I put to you "Last chance to get these Merc pack items before they go away permanently!" and then a week later they're in the Store. We'll see the Omega boosters again, despite the allusion they were a one-shot deal, precisely because they were bestsellers. Everyone knows there's no scarcity of digital goods so to make it seem so and get people to part with money quickly you have to lie.
When the real potential for more money is involved, a company very quickly forgets its promises. CCP has proven that time and again. And ten years down the line is less important than being able to pay the wages now. They would have introduced Gold Ammo into EVE too had it not been plastered across the media, causeed an immense player backlash, and threatened their bottom line. With Dust, however, world + dog expects Gold Ammo to an extent since the base product is free.
I too would hope Dust goes the way you hope it to go, but I would stake an immense amount on it going the way I believe it will.
1 - That particular merc pack was removed, not the items. It seems you failed to read "The items however will be available for purchase in the store. 2 - Of course we'll see omega boosters again, they are a wanted item. Saying "this week only" implies its a limited time offer, not that its a one-shot deal. 3 - Limited time offers on popular products are a proven source of profitable income. McDonalds has been doing it for years with its nasty little mcrib. 4 - After 10 years of providing enjoyable games to enjoy, increasing their revenue to begin developing a generations first console to pc integrated virtual world and providing it for free, i have no doubts that CCP will make this game into the dream they envisioned. 5 - If you "worried" about CCP's financial state, buy a merc pack and donate money to them. |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:11:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:McDonalds has been doing it for years with its nasty little mcrib. You better take that back right now! |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:13:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:1 - That particular merc pack was removed, not the items. It seems you failed to read "The items however will be available for purchase in the store. 2 - Of course we'll see omega boosters again, they are a wanted item. Saying "this week only" implies its a limited time offer, not that its a one-shot deal. 3 - Limited time offers on popular products are a proven source of profitable income. McDonalds has been doing it for years with its nasty little mcrib. 4 - After 10 years of providing enjoyable games to enjoy, increasing their revenue to begin developing a generations first console to pc integrated virtual world and providing it for free, i have no doubts that CCP will make this game into the dream they envisioned. 5 - If you "worried" about CCP's financial state, buy a merc pack and donate money to them.
1. Actually, that clarification about those items being available in the store came some time afterwards. If you check this announcement you'll see the post was edited about two weeks after it was initially posted. Easy to miss for your average person, but the sharper ones among us know what's going on.
2. That would be all well and good, except for the tactics employed in 1 that most folk miss
3. There is also real scarcity with real goods. Not so with digital goods, so you have to employ tactics like in 1 which are a bit more sketchy
4. In ten years, certainly. The Advanced BPO's will fund it, which is why everyone should expect them
5. A purchase of a good in not a donation, it's a transaction. If I gave the impression that I was worried about their financial state, I'm really not. Those Advanced BPO's will sell like hotcakes. |
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Vin Mora
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:39:00 -
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Would like to point out that all of the BPOs in the packs are for reskinned (and renamed) Standard gear.
I have 2 different AR BPOs, the Exile and the Dren, both have the exact same stats and equipment requirements.
I run BPO gear because I have .79 KDR and am a terrible shot, so I would rather not use (and thusly lose) ADV and PROTO gear in even match to survive. So I just run around in Free/Cheap fits until my skill improves. |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:49:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Would like to point out that all of the BPOs in the packs are for reskinned (and renamed) Standard gear.
I have 2 different AR BPOs, the Exile and the Dren, both have the exact same stats and equipment requirements.
I run BPO gear because I have .79 KDR and am a terrible shot, so I would rather not use (and thusly lose) ADV and PROTO gear in even match to survive. So I just run around in Free/Cheap fits until my skill improves.
Would you buy another Elite pack if all you got on top of the AUR was a re-skin of the BPO's you already have and you had maxed the major skills? |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:40:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:1. Actually, that clarification about those items being available in the store came some time afterwards. If you check this announcement you'll see the post was edited about two weeks after it was initially posted. Easy to miss for your average person, but the sharper ones among us know what's going on.
You truly are blind, or trolling, for it was weeks before they removed the pack when they announced both its removable, and individual item purchase.
Arguing for the sake of arguing is a child's game. End of thread. |
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