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          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.30 10:02:00 -
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          I know I know CALM DOWN I HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR THIS 
  don't you find it funny how in the last build people did not have this much complaining about the lav's ? 
  back then core skills like shield and Armour pg and cpu  where linked with vehicles (so as you level your merch you level ALL vehicles you could possibly use) 
  but now with the nerf on vehicles forcing you to actually spec into the class if you want to use it effectively it just become OP ?  and needs to be removed ? 
  if anything now its easier to deal with vehicles since there are less off them  not to mention the tank nerf 
  leave feedback and discussion out of this post please no one will notice this here lol  im not being serious just want to see how people will handle this wall of text and if my opinion will get taken seriously lol
  no the real problem is people did not spec into av since no one wanted to pilot the UP tanks so there was no point right ? 
  now no one has av people just drive around in lav's racking up road kills ~ 
  this is how things are going to be until more people get av for a mere 600k sp they would be set for the game  then Free Lav fits would be in trouble that's why they need to be buffed 
  sooner or later they will literally become ticking time bombs  you want fast safe transportation ? 
  to bad ! 
  TLDR; Kids will get angry and spec into av and make the free fit av useless so buff it before its to late ccp If you have anything to say on this issue please leave a reply stating your opinion | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.30 10:07:00 -
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          Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Turret needs to get more kills than the bumper.   
  Fly with a good drop ship pilot  that's where the turret kills are at 
  this is just a occupational safety hazard that can easily be avoided with hand eye coordination and motor skills | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.30 10:08:00 -
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          XiBravo wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Turret needs to get more kills than the bumper.   This x1million.  Make bumper do less damage than turret and lavs are fixed.  
  you do know that a missile turret on a lav can one shot almost any none heavy in one shot if you can hit them  (splash damage does 50% of there hp...) | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.30 10:15:00 -
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          Fun fact 
  firing a proto missile launcher while in a proto drop ship can make the pilot VERY unhappy should you miss and hit his ship causing him to flip and crash into the ground 
  it was a VERY exiting experiment
  (same story for lav's) | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.30 10:17:00 -
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          RKKR wrote:If my suits takes damage from a 0,3m drop then a driver of a vehicle should take damage too when he crashes into something.
  Byebye bumpercars!  
  if you can jump out of a air ships almost 1km up in the air and have technology that allows you to hit the ground without splattering all over the ground in a cute little picture 
  i think its safe to say a fast moving heavy object with a shield that collides into a stationary light weight object should be able to pass through the object with little challenge | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.30 10:32:00 -
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          XiBravo wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:XiBravo wrote:[quote=Iron Wolf Saber]  you do know that a missile turret on a lav can one shot almost any none heavy in one shot if you can hit them  (splash damage does 50% of there hp...)  What is your point? In other words I'm saying have the LAV bumper be as useful to the turret as a Melee attack is to a dropsuit... If the missiles are that great, than why does no one use them? Oh yea, it's because the laughable mechanic of "touch player = instant death" is infinitely more viable, which is a complete joke honestly.   
 
  I use my missile turrets all the time 
  but if im in a hurray i just take a nice little drive to the object and if i hit a merc or 7 on the way so be it | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.30 10:33:00 -
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          Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:Fun fact 
  firing a proto missile launcher while in a proto drop ship can make the pilot VERY unhappy should you miss and hit his ship causing him to flip and crash into the ground 
  it was a VERY exiting experiment
  (same story for lav's)   Funner fact, when the dropship angles just right forcing the aiming limitations of the turret, The turret automatically snaps into a position where it CAN fire on the dropship.  
  my experiments...  have just become ever so fun.... 
  we should do tests together you and i...  it will be fun.... 
  (glados voice) | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.30 10:41:00 -
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          RKKR wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:RKKR wrote:If my suits takes damage from a 0,3m drop then a driver of a vehicle should take damage too when he crashes into something.
  Byebye bumpercars!  if you can jump out of a air ships almost 1km up in the air and have technology that allows you to hit the ground without splattering all over the ground in a cute little picture  i think its safe to say a fast moving heavy object with a shield that collides into a stationary light weight object should be able to pass through the object with little challenge   I just said I take damage from a 0,3M drop and you ignore it. Can't my technology save me from a bumpercars? A LAV that just made a U-turn is not on full speed and thus not a fast moving object. If should just push me away.  If said LAV is fast moving and crashes into something: shouldn't it lose its grip and flip over? But if I play along with your statement...then a dropsuit would lose its shield and armor while the LAV stays full on said shields/armor with no friction of the shields colliding or something like that whatever...?  
  I don't know who showed you the technology of neweden but i can assure you that is not how it works
  1. Lav is not a bumpercar  Bumpercar's are powered by friction (therefore making all your accusations actual solid reasons as to why i should run you over) 
  2. Shielding works in a special way look up melee combat in dune to understand properly how shields work 
  3. im sorry are you a pilot ?  me and wolf and highly trained and highly qualified lav experts and we know our lav's well  fun fact if you believe hard enough the lav will never leave the ground and be unaffected by gravity  another fun fact this does not work on planets with low gravity 
  but let's sit and talk for a moment about gravity 
  you know the think that stops bullets from flying in a straight forward motion and pulls down missiles reducing there flight duration do to the over whelming pressure that the planetary pull has on it 
  oh and av grenades ye ive seen what they said about gravity behinds its back....  they are not very nice. | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.31 04:50:00 -
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          RKKR wrote:1. I'm calling them bumpercars because everyone is just using to bump into other players instead of actually trying to cap objectives, I'm sorry that I don't followed the rules of the dictionairy, I can see you have some brainpower and should be able to understand the "wordplay" but used it instead to prove me wrong.
  2. Summary?
  3. What does it matter if I'm a pilot or not? I know you can keep the LAV steady in game, I'm just questionning if it's realistic after you crash into something with full speed and you still not lose control over your LAV? The answer might be in 2. But you decided to give me a lesson in gravity instead....  
  1. you can cap objectives while your in a lav ? 
  CCP has not buffed the lav yet :P 
  2. shield block objects that approach at speed that are considered lethal so crashing into some one shield flare kills them  rolling onto the ground (no shield flair)  slow motion knife fighting no shield flair 
  3. if you are not a good pilot then you don't know our pains don't act like you know what it is to be a lav user | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.31 06:43:00 -
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          KOBLAKA1 wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:RKKR wrote:If my suits takes damage from a 0,3m drop then a driver of a vehicle should take damage too when he crashes into something.
  Byebye bumpercars!  if you can jump out of a air ships almost 1km up in the air and have technology that allows you to hit the ground without splattering all over the ground in a cute little picture  i think its safe to say a fast moving heavy object with a shield that collides into a stationary light weight object should be able to pass through the object with little challenge   My heavies run 1200hp+ that like running into a boulder of steel. If you run into rocks on the map you take damage. Therefore if you run into me you should take damage. Yay for fysix! \o/  
  Correction  the heavy is not moving at 30mph 
  also your heavy weight is not based on his shield and Armour its based on small modules attached to him  my car is still heavier but i will notify ccp of this over powered severity of a heavy suit with more hp the a LAV | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.31 08:12:00 -
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          Coleman Gray wrote:LAV trouble is the same trouble as all Vehicles, we only have Militia and standard level, we can't buff vehicles anymore until we tried out the higher level ones.  
  if you get two equally skilled players to fight with the same fits suits but slightly different guns 
  for example 
  militia Assault rifle vs Gek Assault rifle 
  at the end of the day the only difference is that one does a few points more damage (literally look it up) | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.31 08:25:00 -
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          KOBLAKA1 wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:RKKR wrote:If my suits takes damage from a 0,3m drop then a driver of a vehicle should take damage too when he crashes into something.
  Byebye bumpercars!  if you can jump out of a air ships almost 1km up in the air and have technology that allows you to hit the ground without splattering all over the ground in a cute little picture  i think its safe to say a fast moving heavy object with a shield that collides into a stationary light weight object should be able to pass through the object with little challenge   My heavies run 1200hp+ that like running into a boulder of steel. If you run into rocks on the map you take damage. Therefore if you run into me you should take damage. Yay for fysix! \o/  Correction  the heavy is not moving at 30mph  also your heavy weight is not based on his shield and Armour its based on small modules attached to him  my car is still heavier but i will notify ccp of this over powered severity of a heavy suit with more hp the a LAV   Lmao run a car into non-moving rock and let me know what happens. The reason armor plates make me go slower is because they add weight. Go pick up an uparmored humvee door...oh right you can't because it weighs 300+ lbs because it's made of armor plates  
  Gooby plz  rocks are solid and there "Attached" the the ground 
  Mercs have Armour made from very fine Tritanium but if a merc replaced his Armour with rock let me tell you he would not be moving very far | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.31 08:30:00 -
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          Superluminal Replicant wrote:Im proto forge and pretty good with it, but lately im finding it harder to kill LAV's than any tank. That's wrong I think.  
  your aim ? | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.31 08:42:00 -
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          @KOBLAKA1  > I shall feed the troll....more
  An easier example for your hillbilly brain: when you are driving around in your Beatdown ford all liquored up and hit a deer (which is not attached to the ground), besides feeding your family for a week with venison you also have to buy s new front end for your truck...because it caused damage
  (do you understand the concept of shield)  My lav's primary tank is located in the shield i can assure you  any damage you think my car takes is a trick that you people tell you to keep the fact lav's need a buff a secret 
  @Tectonious Falcon > From this. Thread, I have concluded Syther has no idea what he's talking about
  Ill have you know im a expert LAV driver and i have wasted hundreds of noobs in my lav  im assuming your some scrub who drives around all day in the free fit | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.31 08:48:00 -
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          @Garrett Blacknova  >Heavies should act as low-tier rocks. Rock = LAV stops and takes damage. Heavy = LAV slows massively and both take damage.
  if 1M tall infantry in a fat suit counts as a Low-tier rock
  then my LAV that is flying through the air at 30MPH should count as a Low-tier statue of justice and freedom 
  (and as it stand now i hit a scout i stop dead in my tracks due to "collision physics" if i was allowed to keep going at a cost of 400 shield id be fine with that) | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.31 08:52:00 -
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          @KOBLAKA1  >Ok so you should take damage equal to my shield? Your argument makes no sense everyones got a shield, by your mentality LAVs shouldn't be able to kill people because their shield deflects the LAVs shield. Please put some effort into your thoughts.
  You miss read what i stated maybe you should try out the lav and tell me that hitting that small tiny merc is actually going to damage the vehicle  keep in mind that i am both bigger and heavier than your merc could ever be and those modules you have on your suit are tiny compared to the Force of tritanium that i am rushing towards you | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.31 09:18:00 -
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          Jack McReady wrote:LAVs are more then fine.
  I am running around with proto swarm launcher with one damage mod and it cant kill militia fit lavs with one full salvo anymore and it cant even one shot the free caldari lav with zero modules fitted. a shield tanked logi lav is impossible to kill for my proto swarm launcher with proto damage mod unless the driver stands still for 10 seconds doing nothing (aka ******** monkey playing). armor tanked LAVs are managable but if the driver is not stupid I wont get him neither.
  and the best part about it, LAVs can dodge swarm missiles because the missiles tend to fly into the ground when the LAV driver makes a turn.
  in short: a single proto swarm cant take out a well fitted LAV driven by someone that is not a monkey, LAVs dont need a buff.  
  lol your the first person who has actually fought me on my original points 
  but i bet you did not read the whole thing due to the fact your taking this semi seriously   | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.31 09:20:00 -
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          Garrett Blacknova wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:@Garrett Blacknova  >Heavies should act as low-tier rocks. Rock = LAV stops and takes damage. Heavy = LAV slows massively and both take damage.
  if 1M tall infantry in a fat suit counts as a Low-tier rock
  then my LAV that is flying through the air at 30MPH should count as a Low-tier statue of justice and freedom 
  (and as it stand now i hit a scout i stop dead in my tracks due to "collision physics" if i was allowed to keep going at a cost of 400 shield id be fine with that)   I've seen LAVs take down Heavies without slowing. I've seen them get stuck on Scouts. BOTH are wrong. BOTH need fixing. Hitting a lightweight Dropsuit should cost you a SMALL amount of shields, and maybe knock your speed down by 1 or 2 kph if they're running at you. If you're trying to splatter a dual-tanked Prototype Heavy across the front of your free LAV, you should be the one who comes out worse. +1 to you.  
  Can i ask you to do yourself a favor and read my original post btw 
  (the fact people just went on to argue about how lav's shouldn't be able to run over people just goes to show how mad they are at it) 
  but considering the fact that this whole post is based on what would happen if i make up some random nonsense and see what happens i guess it does not matter | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.31 09:27:00 -
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          Syther Shadows wrote:I know I know CALM DOWN I HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR THIS 
  don't you find it funny how in the last build people did not have this much complaining about the lav's ? 
  back then core skills like shield and Armour pg and cpu  where linked with vehicles (so as you level your merch you level ALL vehicles you could possibly use) 
  but now with the nerf on vehicles forcing you to actually spec into the class if you want to use it effectively it just become OP ?  and needs to be removed ? 
  if anything now its easier to deal with vehicles since there are less off them  not to mention the tank nerf 
  leave feedback and discussion out of this post please no one will notice this here lol  im not being serious just want to see how people will handle this wall of text and if my opinion will get taken seriously lol
  no the real problem is people did not spec into av since no one wanted to pilot the UP tanks so there was no point right ? 
  now no one has av people just drive around in lav's racking up road kills ~ 
  this is how things are going to be until more people get av for a mere 600k sp they would be set for the game  then Free Lav fits would be in trouble that's why they need to be buffed 
  sooner or later they will literally become ticking time bombs  you want fast safe transportation ? 
  to bad ! 
  TLDR; Kids will get angry and spec into av and make the free fit av useless so buff it before its to late ccp If you have anything to say on this issue please leave a reply stating your opinion   
  I got to 3 pages so im happy with my work 
  ill make it easy for every one to see 
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          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.05.31 09:51:00 -
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          Jack McReady wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:Jack McReady wrote:LAVs are more then fine.
  I am running around with proto swarm launcher with one damage mod and it cant kill militia fit lavs with one full salvo anymore and it cant even one shot the free caldari lav with zero modules fitted. a shield tanked logi lav is impossible to kill for my proto swarm launcher with proto damage mod unless the driver stands still for 10 seconds doing nothing (aka ******** monkey playing). armor tanked LAVs are managable but if the driver is not stupid I wont get him neither.
  and the best part about it, LAVs can dodge swarm missiles because the missiles tend to fly into the ground when the LAV driver makes a turn.
  in short: a single proto swarm cant take out a well fitted LAV driven by someone that is not a monkey, LAVs dont need a buff.  lol your the first person who has actually fought me on my original points  but i bet you did not read the whole thing due to the fact your taking this semi seriously    fought you? you were defeated before you even posted    your own posts cleary shows that you have no clue about this topic.  
 
  the problem with the fight was 
  people base it off real life 
  "then they go and take numbers from the game"  if this was fighting you would have been disqaulified 
  if it was a reality fight i would just say 
  **** you **** is from the future deal with it
  if it was a numbers fight i would point out that my lav has more shield and Armour than you and regardless of what comes when i drive into you it should kill you  "i know you think your a rock but numbers say other wise" < even if you did use that argument that im big and heavy my argument again reality would still win | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.06.14 09:19:00 -
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          Jack McReady wrote:Syther Shadows wrote: i don't think 
 
  that is right, you dont have enough brainpower :) this is a game and should be fair for everyone which you do not grasp. as long you do not need atleast 2 people to drive a vehicle a single person should have a decent chance to atleast scare the LAV driver off which currently works perfectly fine. in short: as already mentioned, it is futile to argue with someone like you (with no clue and a biased invalid opinion)  
  idk lav's have become a rather good method in fighting 
  after we cap a point we call in lav's to rush the infantry line 
  they are presumable half way to the new objective in open ground lav's tear them to pieces and then the normal infantry show up just as they re-spawn back in with swarm launches and av nads 
  if lav's don't get changed soon you will see them in organized squads becoming a standard tactic.. 
 
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          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.06.14 10:33:00 -
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          RKKR> 
  the thread was designed to be a troll joke to see how many people would ignore and just go tldr 
  then it was funny watching people take me seriously  then i had to go home 
  but i have to agree with the point made 
  vehicles should take some damage when colliding with infantry if it means the vehicle in question can just pass through them and not hit them like a rock 
  keep in mind this post was made like 2 weeks ago lol | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.06.14 10:50:00 -
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          people. | 
      
      
      
          
          Syther Shadows 
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        Posted - 2013.06.15 08:59:00 -
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  if i wast peoples times and mislead people i would call it successful  depends on how you view trolling  but considering its a word made up on the internet by people who use the internet i really would not give it official terms | 
      
      
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