1) They cost 2,000 ISK and do 1500 damage, each.
2) The fact that they home at all is stupid and a crutch for no-skill AR's who think they should be just as good at AV as a forge gunner
3) Adapt or die. You don't hear tankers or real AV players complaining about free LAVs because we put SP into being able to blow them up.


I think I'm gonna go pub stomp with my LLAV, now. Good luck killing a LAV with 4000 EHP. Hahahahaha!

AV Grenades are not a real form of AV.

1) And that isn't enough to kill them... They used to be OHK, a good counter to foolish drivers... -_-
2) They don't home for me, and even if they do they do it too late...
3) I have heard them complaining a lot, but how can I adapt when the only solution is to spec into Heavy AV or to carry proto AV grenades?

Blame all the terrible tank drivers that whined and moaned about AV being effective, it was because of that every vehicle got a HP buff and some more defence so now I can eat a proto nade and keep on driving in a militia LAV

1) You're follish for thinking AV nades are a real form of AV
2) They cost less than a STD assault rifle; they shouldn't home in the first place.
3a) Those are some **** AV, then.
3b) It looks like you have to adapt just like all the tankers did when the AR's called for a nerf to us and got it. Maybe you weren't there, but tanks have 50% less HP than they used to. So we adapted and it looks like we're raping face again. You might want to figure it out or you won't like this game.

Dunno saw a la dai earlier one shot a LLAV

And that is where my problem lies, thanks for proving my point, LAVs are too overpowering to not be destroyed by AV grenades. Now get out of my thread.

We never called for a LAV buff. We LOVED free LAVs bc they were free WP for us. We called for a tank buff bc we're expected to go up against prototype AV with STD vehicles.

Any tank driver will tell you we want mlt lavs nerfed, too. EVERYONE IN DUST WANTS THAT. If we didn't lose all of our PG, your tank buddies would kill all the LAVs a lot faster, too.

This guy doesn't want to invest in good AV weapons and is mad that he can't kill vehicles so he calls for a buff. This is what makes me so happy when I run over 20 mercs in an ambush.

Dunno saw a la dai earlier one shot a LLAV

1) Well it does say 'AV', so who is 'follish'?
2) Well for me they barely even home-in on the target...
3a) What?
3b) I've been here since the beginning of the closed beta, and I am telling you that I have adapted far more than you could possibly have, but never before have I had to adapt to my only AV method as an assault being removed... It is just ridiculous, I cannot spec fully into heavy just to destroy vehicles. We need better AV grenades, NOW.

1) And that isn't enough to kill them... They used to be OHK, a good counter to foolish drivers... -_-
2) They don't home for me, and even if they do they do it too late...
3) I have heard them complaining a lot, but how can I adapt when the only solution is to spec into Heavy AV or to carry proto AV grenades?

I'm mad that my only way of defending myself from LAVs has been nerfed, there's nothing I can do apart from spec fully into swarm launchers, seeing as I only so often encounter LAVs... -_-

1) ive had many opportunity lav's are 2 shots kill with av nads (unless there fit well) ive seen a lav tank swarms av forge shots
(and it was stolen )

2) they do for me and for every one who has killed me in a lav (there is a range that easy aim nads can track its target btw
you can't throw it and it will auto aim across the map for you
it has to be in a relatively close distance to the vehicle to lock on and hit it

3) no you don't hear them complaining if they where doing there job right there would be nothing to complain about
and jesus no you don't need to spec into forge to counter LAV'S unless they call in GOOD lav's you know ones that cost sp to get into then i think its fair you must pay sp to counter the...

I thought that AV grenades would solve this ridiculous ram-fest of LAVs. But I chuck one AV grenade, it either misses or does half-assed damage and then I just get ran over.

The problem is not only with 'free LAVs', but it is more with the fact that AV grenades don't even work...

AV Grenades are not a real form of AV.

Iron Wolf, stop posting in Vehicle/AV posts, because the **** you type just makes me facepalm.

I take 5 Lai Dai AV Grenades, the LLAV you say might've been one shotted, it wasn't fit and was probably armor. And tbqh it probably had lost its shields.

Were you run over by me? I did a lot of killing today.

I was a gunner for an LLAV which died to one La Dai AV grenade, I don't know the pilot's fit/skills but I am sure that the yellow gallente LAV was the LLAV. At least he had some experience driving though and knew when to dip and out of the murder taxi spree.

Shield/nano-fit gallente LLAV, the shield already gone so just the base armor left.

Now stop posting in AV/LLAV/HAV threads cause you obviously know **** about vehicles. Also, if CCP ever asks you a question about vehicles tell them you know **** and shouldn't be consulted, ever.

I thought that AV grenades would solve this ridiculous ram-fest of LAVs. But I chuck one AV grenade, it either misses or does half-assed damage and then I just get ran over.

The problem is not only with 'free LAVs', but it is more with the fact that AV grenades don't even work...

Unfortunately I am the only pilot and AV guy on the CPM, secondly you're confusing my job with CCP's job. I also lag bad enough HP bars don't update as fast as they should and I quite often see people with empty HP bars or full, or myself having no armor or shields on spawning.

I was a gunner for an LLAV which died to one La Dai AV grenade, I don't know the pilot's fit/skills but I am sure that the yellow gallente LAV was the LLAV. At least he had some experience driving though and knew when to dip and out of the murder taxi spree.

Also if you want more facepalming I have been playing in a Sica mostly today armed with a Large Missile Launcher of various sorts. Can't tell the difference between them.

Anyways today's score:

Lost 10 Sicas
and only been ran over 3 times today, one of which was my own LAV I hopped out of and it slammed into me. The other time I was anti-infantry.
Blew up 4 LLAVs
Blew up 32 LAVs
Blew up 4 Dropships
Blew up 1 ADS Dropship by accident, pilot error caused the final crash.
Blew up about 10 other milita grade HAVs
Blew up 4 Military Grade HAVs
Critical Assist on 1 Enforcer Tank.

No Aurum vehicles destroyed today unfortunately.

Doing this with a Dren Launcher and Standard AV grenades in a Covenant Suit.
Or my *%@# fit Sica with a standard LMS, Nose blaster, and Chain Launcher Top. Shield top rack and PDU Low rack. All standard.

L2AV Better.

Straight BS

Just because you are a gunner in a LLAV or drive a **** fit sica doesnt mean you know about vehicles at all because you dont use them on a regular basis or have even used them while you save SP to skill into more vehicles and support skills for vehicles

Come back when you have 10mil of SP into vehicles and dont drive milita stuff

AV Grenades are not a real form of AV.

And free LAVs are not real form of Vehicle either.

If that driver isn't dedicated enough to put some SP into LAV, I shouldn't need to put much SP into AV nade in order to destroy him.

Dunno saw a la dai earlier one shot a LLAV

Slight problem with me being in a milita fit tank is I have to deal with not having the same amount of tools as the veteran-ized players do in order compete against them thus have to rely on skill to make up for it. So I have to rely on playstyle and experience in order to survive.

My shields are not that thick. My armor is still paper thin. My booster barely takes me from 0 to half shields. I don't have the grid to fit a railgun let alone cpu for damage mods and despite all this I have to learn from my mistakes, learn to play vehicles better, and understand the best utilization of the vehicle while it still has HP and when the HP starts dropping already have a plan in place in making sure I get a chance to recover it. I am very aware of my threat vectors, one of the absolute key in preventing getting. If I can take a tank to end of a match with 4 dedicated AV on the field trying to deal with me. I don't see why a more 'experienced' pilot couldn't.

So far lately the absolute best counter to me right now is a military grade tank because pound per pound I cannot go against such and win even if I have a head start and slamming every shot down into its radiator and I certainly have a difficult time outdriving those.

I am an Omni-soldier, deal with it. Yeha I have 8 million skill points, No its spread all over the place. Price I pay for nerfing myself skillpoint wise is I have to deal with making due with shoddy militia gear everything, so if I am going around breaking everyone else's toys it's certainly less at my fault.

I don't. It's just that there is rarely any supply depot in the map. No, I don't play ambush.

1) And that isn't enough to kill them... They used to be OHK, a good counter to foolish drivers... -_-
2) They don't home for me, and even if they do they do it too late...
3) I have heard them complaining a lot, but how can I adapt when the only solution is to spec into Heavy AV or to carry proto AV grenades?

Blame all the terrible tank drivers that whined and moaned about AV being effective, it was because of that every vehicle got a HP buff and some more defence so now I can eat a proto nade and keep on driving in a militia LAV

1) Well it does say 'AV', so who is 'follish'?
2) Well for me they barely even home-in on the target...
3a) What?
3b) I've been here since the beginning of the closed beta, and I am telling you that I have adapted far more than you could possibly have, but never before have I had to adapt to my only AV method as an assault being removed... It is just ridiculous, I cannot spec fully into heavy just to destroy vehicles. We need better AV grenades, NOW.

You guys shouldnt have called for the buff in the first place, you should have called for the advanced and proto tanks
Now we have the unbalanced rally racing BS thats going on

We wanted those, but CCP never gave. We had the Sagaris and Surya, and the Black Ops HAVs. Sag and Surya were ADV, Black Ops were PRO. CCP took out the Black Ops HAVs, and the Sag/Surya became PRO. Not to mention it took an ungodly amount of SP to unlock the Black Ops HAVs when they were still in the game, so I literally never saw one on the field.

It's still PRO AV vs. STD tanks.

The real issue with LAVs is the fact that militia LAVs can one hit kill ANYONE. If i get run over by someone who spent skill points in the LAV and actually payed for it then fine.

How would people feel if a militia AR could OHK a protoheavy? It would be stupid just like it is now with militia LAVs.

My solution
Militia LAV can still be free with no SP requirement but when they impact a person the LAV blows up killing the target and the driver. All other LAVs that cost ISK and SP still work as they do now and can run people over just fine. That way Militia LAVs can be used as transport vehicles and Spec'd up LAVs can be used for killing and what not.

For those that say it would make skilling into LAVs useless, My buddy Tednugget has LAVs with a proto turret and damage mods and he drives it around so the gunner can get kills and it wrecks people. Going 20-0 as a gunner for an LAV driver who knows what they are doing is not difficult at all. Plus I've destroyed tanks as his gunner.

Explain enforcers.

Slight problem with me being in a milita fit tank is I have to deal with not having the same amount of tools as the veteran-ized players do in order compete against them thus have to rely on skill to make up for it. So I have to rely on playstyle and experience in order to survive.

My shields are not that thick. My armor is still paper thin. My booster barely takes me from 0 to half shields. I don't have the grid to fit a railgun let alone cpu for damage mods and despite all this I have to learn from my mistakes, learn to play vehicles better, and understand the best utilization of the vehicle while it still has HP and when the HP starts dropping already have a plan in place in making sure I get a chance to recover it. I am very aware of my threat vectors, one of the absolute key in preventing getting. If I can take a tank to end of a match with 4 dedicated AV on the field trying to deal with me. I don't see why a more 'experienced' pilot couldn't.

So far lately the absolute best counter to me right now is a military grade tank because pound per pound I cannot go against such and win even if I have a head start and slamming every shot down into its radiator and I certainly have a difficult time outdriving those.

I am an Omni-soldier, deal with it. Yeha I have 8 million skill points, No its spread all over the place. Price I pay for nerfing myself skillpoint wise is I have to deal with making due with shoddy militia gear everything, so if I am going around breaking everyone else's toys it's certainly less at my fault.

Explain enforcers.

Free dropsuit fits can kill proto fits. Should free dropsuit fits be nerfed, too?

Spec out for AV and quit crying.

1) They cost 2,000 ISK and do 1500 damage, each.
2) The fact that they home at all is stupid and a crutch for no-skill AR's who think they should be just as good at AV as a forge gunner
3) Adapt or die. You don't hear tankers or real AV players complaining about free LAVs because we put SP into being able to blow them up.


I think I'm gonna go pub stomp with my LLAV, now. Good luck killing a LAV with 4000 EHP. Hahahahaha!