1) They cost 2,000 ISK and do 1500 damage, each.
2) The fact that they home at all is stupid and a crutch for no-skill AR's who think they should be just as good at AV as a forge gunner
3) Adapt or die. You don't hear tankers or real AV players complaining about free LAVs because we put SP into being able to blow them up.


I think I'm gonna go pub stomp with my LLAV, now. Good luck killing a LAV with 4000 EHP. Hahahahaha!

AV Grenades are not a real form of AV.

1) And that isn't enough to kill them... They used to be OHK, a good counter to foolish drivers... -_-
2) They don't home for me, and even if they do they do it too late...
3) I have heard them complaining a lot, but how can I adapt when the only solution is to spec into Heavy AV or to carry proto AV grenades?

Blame all the terrible tank drivers that whined and moaned about AV being effective, it was because of that every vehicle got a HP buff and some more defence so now I can eat a proto nade and keep on driving in a militia LAV

1) You're follish for thinking AV nades are a real form of AV
2) They cost less than a STD assault rifle; they shouldn't home in the first place.
3a) Those are some **** AV, then.
3b) It looks like you have to adapt just like all the tankers did when the AR's called for a nerf to us and got it. Maybe you weren't there, but tanks have 50% less HP than they used to. So we adapted and it looks like we're raping face again. You might want to figure it out or you won't like this game.

Dunno saw a la dai earlier one shot a LLAV

And that is where my problem lies, thanks for proving my point, LAVs are too overpowering to not be destroyed by AV grenades. Now get out of my thread.

We never called for a LAV buff. We LOVED free LAVs bc they were free WP for us. We called for a tank buff bc we're expected to go up against prototype AV with STD vehicles.

Any tank driver will tell you we want mlt lavs nerfed, too. EVERYONE IN DUST WANTS THAT. If we didn't lose all of our PG, your tank buddies would kill all the LAVs a lot faster, too.

This guy doesn't want to invest in good AV weapons and is mad that he can't kill vehicles so he calls for a buff. This is what makes me so happy when I run over 20 mercs in an ambush.

Dunno saw a la dai earlier one shot a LLAV

1) Well it does say 'AV', so who is 'follish'?
2) Well for me they barely even home-in on the target...
3a) What?
3b) I've been here since the beginning of the closed beta, and I am telling you that I have adapted far more than you could possibly have, but never before have I had to adapt to my only AV method as an assault being removed... It is just ridiculous, I cannot spec fully into heavy just to destroy vehicles. We need better AV grenades, NOW.

1) And that isn't enough to kill them... They used to be OHK, a good counter to foolish drivers... -_-
2) They don't home for me, and even if they do they do it too late...
3) I have heard them complaining a lot, but how can I adapt when the only solution is to spec into Heavy AV or to carry proto AV grenades?

I'm mad that my only way of defending myself from LAVs has been nerfed, there's nothing I can do apart from spec fully into swarm launchers, seeing as I only so often encounter LAVs... -_-

1) ive had many opportunity lav's are 2 shots kill with av nads (unless there fit well) ive seen a lav tank swarms av forge shots
(and it was stolen )

2) they do for me and for every one who has killed me in a lav (there is a range that easy aim nads can track its target btw
you can't throw it and it will auto aim across the map for you
it has to be in a relatively close distance to the vehicle to lock on and hit it

3) no you don't hear them complaining if they where doing there job right there would be nothing to complain about
and jesus no you don't need to spec into forge to counter LAV'S unless they call in GOOD lav's you know ones that cost sp to get into then i think its fair you must pay sp to counter the...

I thought that AV grenades would solve this ridiculous ram-fest of LAVs. But I chuck one AV grenade, it either misses or does half-assed damage and then I just get ran over.

The problem is not only with 'free LAVs', but it is more with the fact that AV grenades don't even work...

AV Grenades are not a real form of AV.

Iron Wolf, stop posting in Vehicle/AV posts, because the **** you type just makes me facepalm.

I take 5 Lai Dai AV Grenades, the LLAV you say might've been one shotted, it wasn't fit and was probably armor. And tbqh it probably had lost its shields.

Were you run over by me? I did a lot of killing today.

I was a gunner for an LLAV which died to one La Dai AV grenade, I don't know the pilot's fit/skills but I am sure that the yellow gallente LAV was the LLAV. At least he had some experience driving though and knew when to dip and out of the murder taxi spree.

Shield/nano-fit gallente LLAV, the shield already gone so just the base armor left.

Now stop posting in AV/LLAV/HAV threads cause you obviously know **** about vehicles. Also, if CCP ever asks you a question about vehicles tell them you know **** and shouldn't be consulted, ever.

I thought that AV grenades would solve this ridiculous ram-fest of LAVs. But I chuck one AV grenade, it either misses or does half-assed damage and then I just get ran over.

The problem is not only with 'free LAVs', but it is more with the fact that AV grenades don't even work...

Unfortunately I am the only pilot and AV guy on the CPM, secondly you're confusing my job with CCP's job. I also lag bad enough HP bars don't update as fast as they should and I quite often see people with empty HP bars or full, or myself having no armor or shields on spawning.