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Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:18:00 -
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Seriously is there really a need for a redline?
We already have friendly fire in the match so why is there a redline for people to lurk in. If i were to be more specific since i understand there is a real need for map boundaries then at the least make the redlines identical so there isn't a safe zone for either team.
Basically make the redline the absolute limit of the maps borders and the entire area contained is playable for both teams. In a competitive match that has FF enabled there should be no quarter given for someone who is pushed all the way back to their primary spawns.
In fact it almost rarely occurs because people play this game pretty well in PC and use plenty of links and do a good job of at least retaining 1-2 letters even when pushed back on their heels.
As it is the only real use the redline has in PC is for people to play in a safety area with no chance of ever being put into danger. While its admirable CCP wants this in Pub matches there is simply no need for it in PC especially if the mode has FF its basically saying play tactical and mind your fire but don't worry if you are too far out of your depth we have this barrier that will protect you.
Thanks. |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:19:00 -
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+1
None of the reasons I know for the existence of the red line in pubs translate into PC.
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
628
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:23:00 -
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+1.
I can see why it's in pub matches, but it really has no place in the lawless universe of New Eden. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
560
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:29:00 -
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Signed. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:32:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=45442
Still approve. |
Big miku
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:37:00 -
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Yes I agree, nothing worse than Red line sniping tanks in PC, The only counter is to waste some of your tankers to just tie them up. So then you have tankers just shooting at each other the entire match with little chance of killing one another. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
100
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:39:00 -
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Alternative option, keep the red line but disable firing behind it if your side holds at least one objective |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
637
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Posted - 2013.05.29 22:48:00 -
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+1. |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
50
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:15:00 -
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SOONtm |
DJINN Zact
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:33:00 -
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I foresee MCC sniping in your future. |
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mrunknown2u2
Ill Omens EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.29 23:39:00 -
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Makes sense
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Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:05:00 -
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DJINN Zact wrote:I foresee MCC sniping in your future.
Maybe others not ours. |
Lunamaria Hawkeye
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
182
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:01:00 -
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Lose 1 tank fight and have no place to call in another. In general I agree with the sentiment, but I think this could be a serious problem. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:05:00 -
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Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote:Lose 1 tank fight and have no place to call in another. In general I agree with the sentiment, but I think this could be a serious problem.
Don't lose a tank fight and also theres a lot of space on the map. Spawn on a different letter and get to open terrain on the opposite end of the map.
And im not opposed to a small redline immediately surrounding the spawns but they need to be very tight so they aren't abused to avoid fighting. |
Lunamaria Hawkeye
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
182
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Posted - 2013.05.30 03:04:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote:Lose 1 tank fight and have no place to call in another. In general I agree with the sentiment, but I think this could be a serious problem. Don't lose a tank fight and also theres a lot of space on the map. Spawn on a different letter and get to open terrain on the opposite end of the map. And im not opposed to a small redline immediately surrounding the spawns but they need to be very tight so they aren't abused to avoid fighting.
Yes you should never lose a tank fight, and I am a big fan of games that punish people for their mistakes, but I think 1 tank loss would give a disproportionate amount of map control to the winner if there was no safe space to call in another. As it is if you lose a tank the opposing tanker has a considerable advantage, as he is free to shoot your tank and rdv as it is coming in, should he choose to do so.
An arguement could also be made that it would be on the infantry and AV guys to take out the tank before your tanker calls in another, but, as I said I still think it is an unfair punishment for what could have been a small mistake. I think a small redline that you suggested would be good, giving the tankers just enough space to get on the ground safely. |
Dr Debo Galaxy
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
335
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Posted - 2013.05.30 03:16:00 -
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Isn't that what Nullsec will be. No red line. No attach timer. Stuff like that? |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
121
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Posted - 2013.05.30 03:19:00 -
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Replace the redline with NPC turrets on the MCC that have the same effect but over time
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2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
637
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Posted - 2013.05.30 03:41:00 -
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Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote:Lose 1 tank fight and have no place to call in another. In general I agree with the sentiment, but I think this could be a serious problem. Don't lose a tank fight and also theres a lot of space on the map. Spawn on a different letter and get to open terrain on the opposite end of the map. And im not opposed to a small redline immediately surrounding the spawns but they need to be very tight so they aren't abused to avoid fighting. Yes you should never lose a tank fight, and I am a big fan of games that punish people for their mistakes, but I think 1 tank loss would give a disproportionate amount of map control to the winner if there was no safe space to call in another. As it is if you lose a tank the opposing tanker has a considerable advantage, as he is free to shoot your tank and rdv as it is coming in, should he choose to do so. An arguement could also be made that it would be on the infantry and AV guys to take out the tank before your tanker calls in another, but, as I said I still think it is an unfair punishment for what could have been a small mistake. I think a small redline that you suggested would be good, giving the tankers just enough space to get on the ground safely.
Maybe we should get CCP to not have such a stupid way to bring your tank into the match. Just get rid of the RDV's they suck and crash all the time. Just have a drop pod bring one in like in warhammer. or hell have it so you drop pod in with your tank in the redline it just costs extra isk for the drop pod and the spawn time takes longer. |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
455
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Posted - 2013.05.30 04:33:00 -
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They should get rid of the redline and bring back the ability to damage the MCC. You can hole up in your MCC if you want, but we will all call rail tanks and slowly chip away at your MCC until 150 of you explode with the ship. |
Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2013.05.30 04:41:00 -
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While they're at it, get rid of the shield in the MCC so there is LITERALLY no safe zone for anyone to hide in.
Oh, and remove the dampeners too. No one should survive a fall that's high enough to allow you to use one. |
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Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
368
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Posted - 2013.05.30 04:43:00 -
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signed. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.30 04:43:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Seriously is there really a need for a redline?
We already have friendly fire in the match so why is there a redline for people to lurk in. If i were to be more specific since i understand there is a real need for map boundaries then at the least make the redlines identical so there isn't a safe zone for either team.
Basically make the redline the absolute limit of the maps borders and the entire area contained is playable for both teams. In a competitive match that has FF enabled there should be no quarter given for someone who is pushed all the way back to their primary spawns.
In fact it almost rarely occurs because people play this game pretty well in PC and use plenty of links and do a good job of at least retaining 1-2 letters even when pushed back on their heels.
As it is the only real use the redline has in PC is for people to play in a safety area with no chance of ever being put into danger. While its admirable CCP wants this in Pub matches there is simply no need for it in PC especially if the mode has FF its basically saying play tactical and mind your fire but don't worry if you are too far out of your depth we have this barrier that will protect you.
Thanks.
For normal Skirms too |
lDocHollidayl
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
181
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Posted - 2013.05.30 06:18:00 -
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Punish the red line shooter...20% damage... zero damage while in the red line...etc. |
Lunamaria Hawkeye
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
182
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:35:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote:Lose 1 tank fight and have no place to call in another. In general I agree with the sentiment, but I think this could be a serious problem. Don't lose a tank fight and also theres a lot of space on the map. Spawn on a different letter and get to open terrain on the opposite end of the map. And im not opposed to a small redline immediately surrounding the spawns but they need to be very tight so they aren't abused to avoid fighting. Yes you should never lose a tank fight, and I am a big fan of games that punish people for their mistakes, but I think 1 tank loss would give a disproportionate amount of map control to the winner if there was no safe space to call in another. As it is if you lose a tank the opposing tanker has a considerable advantage, as he is free to shoot your tank and rdv as it is coming in, should he choose to do so. An arguement could also be made that it would be on the infantry and AV guys to take out the tank before your tanker calls in another, but, as I said I still think it is an unfair punishment for what could have been a small mistake. I think a small redline that you suggested would be good, giving the tankers just enough space to get on the ground safely. Maybe we should get CCP to not have such a stupid way to bring your tank into the match. Just get rid of the RDV's they suck and crash all the time. Just have a drop pod bring one in like in warhammer. or hell have it so you drop pod in with your tank in the redline it just costs extra isk for the drop pod and the spawn time takes longer.
Yes removing the rdvs would fix the problem. I think I can speak for all vehicle pilots when I say that RDVs suck balls and would not miss them for a moment.
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Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1499
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:27:00 -
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I agree the redline has got to go in PC. I also think it needs tweaking in Faction War and Pubs as well. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:30:00 -
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Patoman Radiant wrote:Replace the redline with NPC turrets on the MCC that have the same effect but over time
Yep the MCC already has turrets. Maybe the MCC turrets redirect their fire once you enter enemy's spawn area?
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1924
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:33:00 -
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Can we fix the timers while we're at it? Had quite a few cases where I go into the redline then come out again and the timer keeps counting down, I also had the timer lie to me once, said I had 10 seconds when I actually had 5. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1924
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Posted - 2013.05.30 20:35:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Patoman Radiant wrote:Replace the redline with NPC turrets on the MCC that have the same effect but over time
Yep the MCC already has turrets. Maybe the MCC turrets redirect their fire once you enter enemy's spawn area? You could abuse it, just have a guy in a dropship afterburner into and out of the spawn, and their MCC will stop shooting at yours, keep it up long enough and you can skew the game in your favor. |
Nguruthos IV
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:04:00 -
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Signed to the fullest extent of signing |
Terry Webber
Turalyon Plus
120
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:50:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Patoman Radiant wrote:Replace the redline with NPC turrets on the MCC that have the same effect but over time
Yep the MCC already has turrets. Maybe the MCC turrets redirect their fire once you enter enemy's spawn area? You could abuse it, just have a guy in a dropship afterburner into and out of the spawn, and their MCC will stop shooting at yours, keep it up long enough and you can skew the game in your favor. Then CCP can add more turrets on the MCC to correct it. I'm also in agreement for this idea. |
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Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
19
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:21:00 -
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I'm thinking of red line in higher sec. In null sec, remove tht and pop on friendly fire. Not just for PC but certain pubs. Maybe pending where the battle starts
My two ISK on red line is, only people who can have. Problem with this is utter pub stomps, red line snipers ( including the artillery verity). Maybe have some form of random mines where this red line should be. give it a risk/ reward sorta thing. |
Nguruthos IX
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
607
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:35:00 -
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Red line, go home |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1640
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:39:00 -
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I guess I don't get what you're asking for.
There literally HAS to be some sort of "redline" at some point.
Are you just asking for the redline to be expanded out much further so that it won't realistically come into play?
Wouldn't that tax the system even further, since players would be spread even further apart and require even more resources to keep track of the terrain and where the players are on it? I mean, the game barely limps along as is. |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
19
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:50:00 -
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Keep a red line for the border |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2314
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:59:00 -
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Not IMHO. The redline could perhaps be far closer to the spawn perhaps, but I really would be quite bored just standing around under an MCC, or looking at the enemy ground spawn waiting for a kill. Boring. For all parties involved.
Edit; please don't let us lose the progress we have made since E3's 100+kill redline stomps. They sucked. |
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