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VLIGHT5 The Judas Coalition 202	Posted - 2013.05.29 10:14:00 - [1] - Quote I just played a Factional Warfare battle. Though I got tons of WP, I became the prime target of the enemy team, whose only method of offense was using free LAVs. Unless you're a Scout, there is nothing you can do against these things if you aren't AV. Fortunately, we had a Forge Gunner, but he wasn't able to target them all in time because there were simply too many of them. First the problem was that LAVs required too much skill and compensation to drive, now the problem is that they're too effective in pure hit-and-run roles because: 1. They're very easy to use now 2. They're free 3. They insta-kill basically everybody Somebody went 20/2 with one. Yep, 20/2. We got swarms, but everybody knows an LAV can outrun the things. Some things need to be done to LAV's to make the 'GTA' playstyle balanced: 1. Remove free LAVs: This makes accessibly too easy, reducing any potential income loss if you do horribly. On top of that, it removes the importance of people who spec into LAVs, as transport is free for anybody with literally no cost. 2. Make LAVs take damage when they run people over: If we should be insta-killed by an LAV because it's 'realistic,' then an LAV should suffer when it runs people over. Make them take damage, to the point where crashing into a group of 5 people, something that would seriously mess up most cars, is going to wipe out a lot of their health if not kill them. Or at the very least add a larger movement penalty after you run someone over. 3. Increase the amount of momentum needed to kill somebody: You can insta-kill somebody just by lightly driving into them. It seriously needs to be upped, a lot. We're wearing ******* dropsuits. We can sustain bullets, massive falls, and explosives, yet the second a pair of wheels move over us we die? The 'realism' argument goes both ways. 4. Reward LAV players in other ways: Currently, if you're driving an LAV, the best way to get WP is to run people over. LAVs should get WP for transportation. If you drive people on your team from point A to point B, you deserve points. I love vehicles, especially LAVs, but I want to see them have a focus on their intended use: transportation, assault, and support. Not just mindlessly running things over to get kills.
UK-Shots Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 114	Posted - 2013.05.29 10:17:00 - [2] - Quote LAVS WILL STAY FREE THERE.MENT TO BE USED AS A MEENS OF FREE TRANSPORT FROM THE MCC. BUT PEOPLE LIKE ME ENJOY SPLATTING PEOPLE
EKH0 0ne R.I.f.t 48	Posted - 2013.05.29 10:35:00 - [3] - Quote 5. STFU 6.HTFU 7.stop being an idiot and bring av grenades
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 41	Posted - 2013.05.29 10:38:00 - [4] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: 5. STFU QFT
VLIGHT5 The Judas Coalition 203	Posted - 2013.05.29 10:49:00 - [5] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: 5. STFU 6.HTFU 7.stop being an idiot and bring av grenades That's all fine and dandy, aside from the fact that THE LAV'S ARE FREE, can be destroyed without income loss, and it takes multiple high-end AV grenades to take them out. And, as I said, we did have multiple AV players, however there were simply too many LAVs hounding us for the Forge Gunner to take out, and the LAVs simply drove off when we tried to swarm them. Even if we did manage to blow them up, which we did sometimes, they did not lose anything, and all they had to do was get another one for free and they'd be right back on it.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 780	Posted - 2013.05.29 11:10:00 - [6] - Quote Free LAVs are easy to kill, so why the complaints?
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 330	Posted - 2013.05.29 11:42:00 - [7] - Quote Dear heavens, what could we possibly do to counter LAV-¦s with our 16 member team? I know! Let-¦s get ONE of the members to go AV, and let the rest die like crazy, because it-¦s obvious that the enemy will never change their strategy if we provide a proper counter. Edit: Could the FREE AV fitting do anything against the free LAV? Hmmmmm, the deep questions of the universe.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2013.05.29 11:44:00 - [8] - Quote You see LAVs, I see WP pinatas on wheels with potential for a triple kill. AV roles are actually viable now, especially with a Minmatar assault. That sidearm skill is godlike.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4069	Posted - 2013.05.29 11:47:00 - [9] - Quote You know what else is free? SWARM LAUNCHERS
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 330	Posted - 2013.05.29 11:52:00 - [10] - Quote Tha thing that makes me sad on this thread is the reminder that when i get +50 +50 +50 for making the lav go boom with my free AV fitting, I DON`T HEAR THE GRATIFYING "DOHM" SOUND ANYMORE. Give us our old kill sound back !!!!

Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.05.29 11:55:00 - [11] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Tha thing that makes me sad on this thread is the reminder that when i get +50 +50 +50 for making the lav go boom with my free AV fitting, I DON`T HEAR THE GRATIFYING "DOHM" SOUND ANYMORE. Give us our old kill sound back !!!! There's a petition for that if anyone hasn't put in their 0.2 isk.
Natu Nobilis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 330	Posted - 2013.05.29 11:58:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Tha thing that makes me sad on this thread is the reminder that when i get +50 +50 +50 for making the lav go boom with my free AV fitting, I DON`T HEAR THE GRATIFYING "DOHM" SOUND ANYMORE. Give us our old kill sound back !!!! There's a petition for that if anyone hasn't put in their 0.2 isk. Always good to remind people of it =) And why the hell it has only 60 likes? PLEASE PLEASE give us the old kill sound back so i can rejoice everytime i use my free AV fitting to kill free LAV people.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4070	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:03:00 - [13] - Quote I actually do support the idea of damage to LAVs from hitting players, as long as its not going to make running players over unviable. The higher momentum for 1-hit kills I also support. LAVs need to remain free for transportation, and for the same reasons dropsuit starter fits need to be free.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:11:00 - [14] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I actually do support the idea of damage to LAVs from hitting players, as long as its not going to make running players over unviable. The higher momentum for 1-hit kills I also support. LAVs need to remain free for transportation, and for the same reasons dropsuit starter fits need to be free. Only thing I disagree on what you just said is about LAVs needing to be free. We have vehicle recall now.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 1	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:12:00 - [15] - Quote LAVs are still an issue on some maps (looking at you Manus Peak) and your suggestions arent bad. I do hate that the turret is hardly even used now since it should be where the power lies in an LAV. But on most maps ive figured out how to lay AV mine traps, so they on only scare me on big open fields. Plus carry AV nades and get used to playing with the bull, most LAV drivers are overly greedy and set themselves up so badly if they miss.
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 362	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:13:00 - [16] - Quote I think free LAVs should be done away with when we get the speeder bike things. They'll make you super vulnerable and only carry one person. That is something I could see being free.
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:18:00 - [17] - Quote Halador Osiris wrote: I think free LAVs should be done away with when we get the speeder bike things. They'll make you super vulnerable and only carry one person. That is something I could see being free. Then people will be QQing about speeder bikes and we'll be having this discussion all over again. I like popping LAVs as much as the next guy, but I'd rather see people actually use the logistic tools and turrets more than the front bumper. If you had to drop 40k on your LAV, you'd take better care of it and use that new recall feature right?
X-eon Molon Labe. League of Infamy 10	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:21:00 - [18] - Quote There's something wrong when it takes two PROTO PACKED AV nades to take out a militia LAV. Just my two isk.
kenderr cillo Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 15	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:23:00 - [19] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: LAVs are still an issue on some maps (looking at you Manus Peak) and your suggestions arent bad. I do hate that the turret is hardly even used now since it should be where the power lies in an LAV. But on most maps ive figured out how to lay AV mine traps, so they on only scare me on big open fields. Plus carry AV nades and get used to playing with the bull, most LAV drivers are overly greedy and set themselves up so badly if they miss. I usually drop a ton of proximity mines. Lavs run over them without problem, only if the stop near them they got killed.
mollerz Minja Scouts 326	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:26:00 - [20] - Quote My LAV is running fine and dandy. You sound like a shady car mechanic.

Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 1	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:46:00 - [21] - Quote kenderr cillo wrote: I usually drop a ton of proximity mines. Lavs run over them without problem, only if the stop near them they got killed. Are you using the "triangle" technique? Dont just lay a long line as LAVs easily eat one. And they changed max number you can have active. I usually lay 9 out (15 if they have got me really pissed) in triangles. Get those high traffic areas. Logi LAVs are still extremely hard to kill this way but are weakened enough to send them running away. And it is a pain to have to mosey back and re lay mines. But eventually LAVers learn its not the best areas to go through pedal to the floor.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 346	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:56:00 - [22] - Quote Trouble with free LAVS? have you met my Chary yet???? SPLAT! all that is needed is to make free lava base HP cut down to 800. Problem solved. Bamsis.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 15	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:57:00 - [23] - Quote But i love blowing up aLav's and tanks with my AV grenades So keep spawning those babies.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 266	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:58:00 - [24] - Quote UK-Shots wrote: im going to spend some money to get 1 of them yelow blood lavs.. hacked 1 yesterday and i was unstoppable in my pursuit of splat.. Yeah that thing was quick too, had real trouble tracking you and even doing damage with proto swarms !
Cosgar's Alt Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2013.05.29 12:59:00 - [25] - Quote X-eon wrote: There's something wrong when it takes two PROTO PACKED AV nades to take out a militia LAV. Just my two isk. AV grenades make you too versatile to be that effective and will probably be readjusted so it takes 3. If you want to have real AV capabilities, you should have to give up a light weapon or equipment slot.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 1198	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:06:00 - [26] - Quote I think I found my heir as the forum troll! ... I hope he is trolling, because nobody can be this stupid. Right?
Duran Lex Silver Talon Corporation 1	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:09:00 - [27] - Quote X-eon wrote: There's something wrong when it takes two PROTO PACKED AV nades to take out a militia LAV. Just my two isk. Considering it takes 2 STD AV grenades to destroy a STD LAV with no mods, and 1 proto packed AV nade can destroy a STD LAV with full Militia mods... i would assume you are exaggerating your two isk as well.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:37:00 - [28] - Quote Sounds like they used a tactic that your corp wasn't ready for. I don't see the problem.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:42:00 - [29] - Quote UK-Shots wrote: LAVS WILL STAY FREE THERE.MENT TO BE USED AS A MEENS OF FREE TRANSPORT FROM THE MCC. BUT PEOPLE LIKE ME ENJOY SPLATTING PEOPLE im going to spend some money to get 1 of them yelow blood lavs.. hacked 1 yesterday and i was unstoppable in my pursuit of splat.. The yellow ones are logistics LAVs - Charybdis is shield/Caldari, and the Limbus is armor/Gallente.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:44:00 - [30] - Quote VLIGHT5 wrote: EKH0 0ne wrote: 5. STFU 6.HTFU 7.stop being an idiot and bring av grenades That's all fine and dandy, aside from the fact that THE LAV'S ARE FREE, can be destroyed without income loss, and it takes multiple high-end AV grenades to take them out. And, as I said, we did have multiple AV players, however there were simply too many LAVs hounding us for the Forge Gunner to take out, and the LAVs simply drove off when we tried to swarm them. Even if we did manage to blow them up, which we did sometimes, they did not lose anything, and all they had to do was get another one for free and they'd be right back on it. So what are you going to do when your next enemy maxes out their vehicles with tanks? Start up another thread and complain that tanks are OP?

Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:46:00 - [31] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I actually do support the idea of damage to LAVs from hitting players, as long as its not going to make running players over unviable. The higher momentum for 1-hit kills I also support. LAVs need to remain free for transportation, and for the same reasons dropsuit starter fits need to be free. Almost 2.5 inches of a material we can't dream of right now as armor. Why should it get dented from hitting a person?
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:47:00 - [32] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: Halador Osiris wrote: I think free LAVs should be done away with when we get the speeder bike things. They'll make you super vulnerable and only carry one person. That is something I could see being free. Then people will be QQing about speeder bikes and we'll be having this discussion all over again. I like popping LAVs as much as the next guy, but I'd rather see people actually use the logistic tools and turrets more than the front bumper. If you had to drop 40k on your LAV, you'd take better care of it and use that new recall feature right? Recall feature? Why recall when I have over half a billion ISK?
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:52:00 - [33] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: X-eon wrote: There's something wrong when it takes two PROTO PACKED AV nades to take out a militia LAV. Just my two isk. AV grenades make you too versatile to be that effective and will probably be readjusted so it takes 3. If you want to have real AV capabilities, you should have to give up a light weapon or equipment slot. Seconded
Felix Faraday KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 41	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:58:00 - [34] - Quote My swarm launcher pops free LAVs in one hit. If you aren't popping them in 1 hit, either... 1) you're doing it wrong 2) they aren't the free LAVs and have spent ISK/SP to make them harder to kill. The only time I can't hit the LAV, is when they are going full throttle in the opposite direction. If you can't hit them, and they are still getting kills on you... 1) you're doing it wrong 2) don't run out in the open so much. 3) call down you're own LAV to cross open ground. If the entire team is running LAVs, and you only have 1 FG and a few AV grenades... 1) you're doing it wrong
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 358	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:59:00 - [35] - Quote UK-Shots wrote: LAVS WILL STAY FREE THERE.MENT TO BE USED AS A MEENS OF FREE TRANSPORT FROM THE MCC. BUT PEOPLE LIKE ME ENJOY SPLATTING PEOPLE im going to spend some money to get 1 of them yelow blood lavs.. hacked 1 yesterday and i was unstoppable in my pursuit of splat.. yup... people like you who cant actually shoot and kill someone in a first person shooter. I know your LAV has an 8 track of some Waylon Jennings 'Good Ole Boys' I agree LAVs are a part of the game and are welcome....like they were BEFORE. they move too fast, and are not actually where they seem to be on the screen. you can literally get your LAV stuck, go back and forth and 'run' people over while doing this.. when my forge shoots straight THROUGH your car taking no damage.. something is amiss.
X-eon Molon Labe. League of Infamy 11	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:17:00 - [36] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: X-eon wrote: There's something wrong when it takes two PROTO PACKED AV nades to take out a militia LAV. Just my two isk. Considering it takes 2 STD AV grenades to destroy a STD LAV with no mods, and 1 proto packed AV nade can destroy a STD LAV with full Militia mods... i would assume you are exaggerating your two isk as well. Go ahead and try it then. Saga's are destroyed instantly, but Methana's take two. I'm skilled into LAV's and swarms as well so I know how much damage they can take.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 113	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:18:00 - [37] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: UK-Shots wrote: LAVS WILL STAY FREE THERE.MENT TO BE USED AS A MEENS OF FREE TRANSPORT FROM THE MCC. BUT PEOPLE LIKE ME ENJOY SPLATTING PEOPLE im going to spend some money to get 1 of them yelow blood lavs.. hacked 1 yesterday and i was unstoppable in my pursuit of splat.. yup... people like you who cant actually shoot and kill someone in a first person shooter. I know your LAV has an 8 track of some Waylon Jennings 'Good Ole Boys' I agree LAVs are a part of the game and are welcome....like they were BEFORE. they move too fast, and are not actually where they seem to be on the screen. you can literally get your LAV stuck, go back and forth and 'run' people over while doing this.. when my forge shoots straight THROUGH your car taking no damage.. something is amiss. Through the car, hmm... sounds like a coding problem, not a problem with the LAV itself. Put it on the bugs portion.
Gelan Corbaine BetaMax. CRONOS. 169	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:26:00 - [38] - Quote I'm more worried about LAVs not showing up on the scanner . I once had an Chary chase me around a neutral turret on my logi alt . I couldn't turn to face him busy running and was using audio cues to dodge him but he eventually got me . Yet not once did he show up on my scanner . How can a logi suit scanners not see a kittening jeep ?
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1129	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:28:00 - [39] - Quote OP is complaining about the free LAV which tbh is easy enough to kill in general, milita LAV did get a buff which really wasnt needed or wanted As for those which are using Logi LAVs like me and have dropped millions of SP into vehicles and have fitted them up so they cost nearly 500k to replace you can HTFU and actually use proper AV instead of expecting milita to do it all
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 113	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:36:00 - [40] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: OP is complaining about the free LAV which tbh is easy enough to kill in general, milita LAV did get a buff which really wasnt needed or wanted As for those which are using Logi LAVs like me and have dropped millions of SP into vehicles and have fitted them up so they cost nearly 500k to replace you can HTFU and actually use proper AV instead of expecting milita to do it all But it's not fair that a militia swarm launcher can't pop our Logi LAVs with one shot!

UK-Shots Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 116	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:48:00 - [41] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: UK-Shots wrote: LAVS WILL STAY FREE THERE.MENT TO BE USED AS A MEENS OF FREE TRANSPORT FROM THE MCC. BUT PEOPLE LIKE ME ENJOY SPLATTING PEOPLE im going to spend some money to get 1 of them yelow blood lavs.. hacked 1 yesterday and i was unstoppable in my pursuit of splat.. yup... people like you who cant actually shoot and kill someone in a first person shooter. I know your LAV has an 8 track of some Waylon Jennings 'Good Ole Boys' I agree LAVs are a part of the game and are welcome....like they were BEFORE. they move too fast, and are not actually where they seem to be on the screen. you can literally get your LAV stuck, go back and forth and 'run' people over while doing this.. when my forge shoots straight THROUGH your car taking no damage.. something is amiss. sounds like some body got splatted
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 114	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:57:00 - [42] - Quote UK-Shots wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: UK-Shots wrote: LAVS WILL STAY FREE THERE.MENT TO BE USED AS A MEENS OF FREE TRANSPORT FROM THE MCC. BUT PEOPLE LIKE ME ENJOY SPLATTING PEOPLE im going to spend some money to get 1 of them yelow blood lavs.. hacked 1 yesterday and i was unstoppable in my pursuit of splat.. yup... people like you who cant actually shoot and kill someone in a first person shooter. I know your LAV has an 8 track of some Waylon Jennings 'Good Ole Boys' I agree LAVs are a part of the game and are welcome....like they were BEFORE. they move too fast, and are not actually where they seem to be on the screen. you can literally get your LAV stuck, go back and forth and 'run' people over while doing this.. when my forge shoots straight THROUGH your car taking no damage.. something is amiss. sounds like some body got splatted If he was moving even slightly, that would throw the aim of the forge way off. It's happened to me way too many times.
UK-Shots Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 116	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:59:00 - [43] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: UK-Shots wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: UK-Shots wrote: LAVS WILL STAY FREE THERE.MENT TO BE USED AS A MEENS OF FREE TRANSPORT FROM THE MCC. BUT PEOPLE LIKE ME ENJOY SPLATTING PEOPLE im going to spend some money to get 1 of them yelow blood lavs.. hacked 1 yesterday and i was unstoppable in my pursuit of splat.. yup... people like you who cant actually shoot and kill someone in a first person shooter. I know your LAV has an 8 track of some Waylon Jennings 'Good Ole Boys' I agree LAVs are a part of the game and are welcome....like they were BEFORE. they move too fast, and are not actually where they seem to be on the screen. you can literally get your LAV stuck, go back and forth and 'run' people over while doing this.. when my forge shoots straight THROUGH your car taking no damage.. something is amiss. sounds like some body got splatted If he was moving even slightly, that would throw the aim of the forge way off. It's happened to me way too many times. no it went through thje car because "the car was ina different possiotion on his screen."
Xender17 Murderz for hire 112	Posted - 2013.05.29 15:00:00 - [44] - Quote Nah I like GTA 514 better.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 1836	Posted - 2013.05.29 15:09:00 - [45] - Quote Moving from General Discussions to Feedback/Requests.



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