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Flux Raeder
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.05.29 07:07:00 -
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Will someone please give me a history lesson here?
I have been playing dust 514 since the first beta keys were released on pshomes' 2012 E3 coverage.
In this time I have seen this game progress VERY dramatically, it has come so very far since those early days. I love seeing the devblogs and getting overly excited at what is planned for dust514s future....
However...
Knowing what the general feedback has been on the forums I was loathe to check the reviews that have finally been given for dust, I did so today and that is what set this fear in motion.
CCP has SO much planned for us and it all looks OUTSTANDING, however at the moment it is generally agreed that three are a plethora of problems continually plaguing gameplay and development and I am now concerned about whether CCP will actually be able to maintain enough of a playerbase through dust for this game to even approach it's potential.
The reviews were not pretty my friends and the feedback to the reviews make the situation even uglier.
The dilemma at hand is not helped by the fact that some of the more popular reviewers obviously spent more time listening to misguided complaints from the people who play the game than they did actually playing it, judging by their horribly misinformed conclusions.
I have beta tested too many lesser games that have failed under similar circumstances to just shrug off this feeling that this amazingly ambitious and groundbreaking game might be falling down those same tracks.
The only thing that keeps me from devolving into a dust induced panic attack are the rumours i hear about what CCP has been able to pull out of its proverbial *** to keep eve going when it looks like it is going down the loo.
So I guess what I want to ask is: are there any eve players that can attest to a circumstance where CCP has faced such odds and won? |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.05.29 07:09:00 -
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And more importantly, is there anything CCP can possibly do to redeem dust before it's too late? |
Matobar
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2013.05.29 08:00:00 -
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CCP did not start EVE Online with a 500,000+ subscription base overnight; they worked at it over a span of many years to get the game to the mirror-shine state it is in right now.
DUST 514 is in a state that every other game goes through, especially MMOs: that awkward phase when the players can first get their hands on the real meat of the game, and the developers need to just sit back and watch their well-intentioned plans go to poop.
DUST is not a perfect game. I'd even go so far as to say it is not a *good* game at the moment. Many of my friends who play this game insist that, if it weren't for the promises of things to come by CCP and the current connection the game boasts with EVE Online, they would not be playing it.
However, this does not mean DUST is doomed.
In the same vein as poor word of mouth and bad reviews being bad for DUST, the game will gain momentum and support as it continues to be pushed and developed by CCP's team. All the nay-sayers now may just be eating their words in a year or two once the team in Shanghai hits their stride. Already we are seeing encouraging signs.
Many people complained about the changes and additions made in Uprising. And guess what: CCP listened! There are multiple threads filled with CCP's feedback on the playerbase's reactions, discussing hotfixes, bugs, and future changes they will make. We have the beginnings of the CPM, dedicated players and forumites (and Ironwolf  ), working to open the floodgates for proper communication between CCP and the players.
CCP is not going to abandon DUST. I haven't done any indepth math, (some corpmates have) but as far as I can tell, the game is already proving economically feasible, and we've only just seen a full release. In a console world full of 5 million sale flops, that's promising, if nothing else.
If you're asking whether CCP knows what it is doing, the answer is a big fat YES! Attempting something like this is not easy, and CCP would not have tried if they did not think they could succeed. But do not expect immediate results. CCP is always one for the long game. At Fanfest, they spoke of year-long roadmaps, and three-to-five year plans. If that's true for DUST, we may not be seeing much in the very near future, but down the line the possibilities may be drool-worthy indeed. |
Judy Maat
Rebelles A Quebec
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:13:00 -
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This is the sad state of things.
going forward.
seeing this daring game running on such a outdated/weak/ very old platform as a PS3..
I can only imagine all the possibilities that will open when the game get out of this exclusivity contract..
My phone has more RAM than my PS3 bro.
So no I am not so scared.
Thomas Edison's teachers told him he was "too stupid to learn anything." |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.29 13:59:00 -
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Thing is.. going to PC won't fix many of the problems this game suffers from. I'm sure some would be like "finally! now we can make this game into an RTS!" But you see it's the FPS part of dust which will follow into PC. And DUST was meant to be an FPS. as EVE is the mmo counter part. kick all you want about it. But the game issues have a lot to do with the FPS part then lack of mmo part.
PC is home of FPS. And like on console is going to be judged as a FPS. Not by potential. Just as it is for MMO. And like the two.. EVE and Dust will be shunned. labeled "NICHE"
Eve is NICHE. "Niche" was made just for eve. But you know what, that's not a bad thing since it means it has no competition. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:43:00 -
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Eve Online was reviewed pretty harshly by metacritic. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/eve-online. It has an extremely bumpy start too. Lost a publisher, has to self publish, almost ran out of money before launching. (Dust 514 however has apparently paid off the investment costs, so continuing to fund the game is not going to take too much out of the Company)
EA has been TRYING to destroy Eve online for years so far they're on their third multimillion dollar attempt now. |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.05.30 00:43:00 -
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Thanks for the feedback guys, I suddenly like this part of the forum much much more than the general discussion area, a whole 5 posts and STILL no trolls o.o |
Baku Amad
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:31:00 -
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I don't see ccp taking dust to pc. From the way comments have been stated from ccp it sounds like it's going to stay very much console base. What will be great is a jump to the ps4 in the future. What will be interesting to see though is how they do it. If Sony will support ps3 and ps4 users both playing this together they can begin polishing graphic for the ps4 which will help Sony out a little by encouraging players to purchase the new system for increased graphics,draw range, controller response and other features that will be inaccessible to the ps3 user but a great advantage to the ps4. Like my corporation director hopping online while in the middle of a PC match and hopping in to look over my shoulder virtually to see how the match is going and to anylize how our teams functioning. |
Isaa Quade
PROJECT 86 U
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:44:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:
The dilemma at hand is not helped by the fact that some of the more popular reviewers obviously spent more time listening to misguided complaints from the people who play the game than they did actually playing it, judging by their horribly misinformed conclusions.
Such as? all the reviews I read where spot on |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:03:00 -
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Isaa Quade wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:
The dilemma at hand is not helped by the fact that some of the more popular reviewers obviously spent more time listening to misguided complaints from the people who play the game than they did actually playing it, judging by their horribly misinformed conclusions.
Such as? all the reviews I read where spot on
There are quite a few exaggerations on problems. Problems which PS2 does by far worse still and has yet to fix. |
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Isaa Quade
PROJECT 86 U
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:08:00 -
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Isaa Quade wrote:
Such as?
There are quite a few exaggerations on problems. Problems which PS2 does by far worse still and has yet to fix. [/quote]
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Flux Raeder
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:21:00 -
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Isaa Quade wrote:[quote=Isaa Quade]
Such as?
Such as the unending insistence by some of the reviewers saying that Dust is a pay to win game simply because they have microtransactions and you can use some aurum items before you can use their isk equivalents. They manage to directly disregard the balancing act CCP has successfully been pulling off with this system since it's conception.
First of all: dust is free to play.
You don't have to pay 50-60 bucks to buy it and there is absolutely no reason at any point where you MUST buy anything to succeed or even excel. The extra time it takes you to get that isk equivalent of that aurum gun will raise your gameplay experience and also given your character enough sp to actually be able to use it much more efficiently and effectively than some rich little cash-smasher who logged on and decked up in aurum wear.
I payed for aurum a couple times but only because I had the cash and felt like it, it didn't spike my gameplay or effectiveness on the field because I already had the isk versions of everything there.
The best reasoning on reviewer could come up with for disliking the existence of real money items was because "other games that do it always make it so you HAVE to pay to play" even though CCP is well known for its commitment to balancing these issues to keep that from happening AND has already sworn hat this game will never become a pay to win game. If it broke that promise most of these people would not play anymore.
Regardless of your stance on the issue it should be clear that most if these reviewers put in very little effort into actually playing the game and this is only one of the many many half-baked assumptions and claims these reviewers made.
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R F Gyro
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:11:00 -
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http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Look at the "all time" chart, and you'll see that Eve Online had about 15K PCU back in April 2006, which was 3 years after it launched. They don't have numbers further back, but the trend was fairly linear at that point so its fairly safe to say PCU was in the 5-10K range in the first couple of years. That's a little lower than Dust is now.
In my mind this could still go either way: CCP could easily still screw this up totally, but equally I can see how they could still make it a success. |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:42:00 -
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Read the post and Thank you for comforting me in this crisis.
Just like the author i too am scared ill never see the potential that Dust has or worst, it might completely be abandoned by
the console base and be ported to PC and Mac.
This thread made me feel better about Dusts future so Thanks to all who didnt troll. |
Travis Snyders
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:33:00 -
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New Players Please Watch |
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